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[boulio]

your one to talk about broad statements,that goes for insan also,you guys write books.

[Piratis]

The 1960 constitution is far from perfect but it is acceptable and under the current circumstances (EU) i believe it would work.
So there is no need to change it, since I doubt we would agree to any changes anyways.

Personally I would be willing to accept if TCs were getting quite a bit of internal autonomy for a land of 18%-20%, in return for the veto powers on everything (veto on critical matters could remain) and those 30% of positions in government. (everything else remaining the same)
anyways, since I doubt we could agree, I restate that 1960 agreements are acceptable as they are.

If you are willing to give up an equal amount of "things" that you want to take in addition to the 1960 constitution then we can discuss it.

[metecyp]

I think the most important issue in terms of revising 1960 agreements is how can we make the RoC a federation? This is the foremost topic we need to discuss because a solution will be bicommunal bizonal federation.

Secondly, I have no problem with the TC rights in the 1960 constitution and I'm willing to replace 30% rule in government jobs with something more flexible like an affirmative action program similar to the US. I also don't think that it's necessary to have veto power on everything, just crucial matters (matters that GCs and TCs completely disagree). I guess we need to talk about who defines if a matter is crucial or not.

[Saint Jimmy]

I think the most important issue in terms of revising 1960 agreements is how can we make the RoC a federation? This is the foremost topic we need to discuss because a solution will be bicommunal bizonal federation.

Ι'm sorry, I don't get it...
If you have no problem with the 1960 provisions, why would it have to become a federation? Is it a fixation or do you have something else in mind?

[Piratis]

I have no problem with the TC rights in the 1960 constitution and I'm willing to replace 30% rule in government jobs with something more flexible like an affirmative action program similar to the US. I also don't think that it's necessary to have veto power on everything, just crucial matters (matters that GCs and TCs completely disagree).

Well, if you agree for that then you remove my major objection, so we can move forward.

I believe that it would be fair to say that since the TCs are 18% that their component state should be 18% as well. I am ready to discuss for a bigger part under the TC state, as long as it is made very welcoming for GCs also (of course a majority of TCs will be guaranteed in some way).
Would you agree to make both states open and welcoming to all Cypriots regardless of race?

[metecyp]

Ι'm sorry, I don't get it...
If you have no problem with the 1960 provisions, why would it have to become a federation? Is it a fixation or do you have something else in mind?

I didn't say I have no problem with the 1960 provisions as a whole. I said I have no problem with the TC rights in the 1960 agreements (Vice President being TC, 70:30 rule, etc.). The reason why I want it to be a federation is because I believe that the federation is the next logical step. We have completely seperate communities right now. Then, we'll have a federation where the communities are majority in their own zones. Then, maybe, we can have something better, unitary state, where everyone lives together regardless of ethnicity. But I believe that we have to go through federation to reach to that level. Many TCs still have security concerns and the only way to get rid of this is to let communities integrate gradually through federation. So it's not a fixation, it's just the only way forward in my opinion.

[Saint Jimmy]

Ι'm sorry, I don't get it...
If you have no problem with the 1960 provisions, why would it have to become a federation? Is it a fixation or do you have something else in mind?

I didn't say I have no problem with the 1960 provisions as a whole. I said I have no problem with the TC rights in the 1960 agreements (Vice President being TC, 70:30 rule, etc.). The reason why I want it to be a federation is because I believe that the federation is the next logical step. We have completely seperate communities right now. Then, we'll have a federation where the communities are majority in their own zones. Then, maybe, we can have something better, unitary state, where everyone lives together regardless of ethnicity. But I believe that we have to go through federation to reach to that level. Many TCs still have security concerns and the only way to get rid of this is to let communities integrate gradually through federation. So it's not a fixation, it's just the only way forward in my opinion.

OK, it's crystal clear now, thanks!

[metecyp]

Would you agree to make both states open and welcoming to all Cypriots regardless of race?

This is too general of a statement. What do you mean by welcoming? The most important issue is this for TCs: TCs need to feel safe and secure in their own state. This means TCs have to be majority in their own state with their own police, education system, etc. I don't think that many TCs will object to having some GCs living in the Turkish constituent state as long as they're the majority of their own constituent state and they have control of their constituent state.

[boulio]

ofcours in a federation they would be the majority and control of the states affairs provided they are fully in tune with the minority of that state with there rights to education,religion,health care and well being,and political rights as well.