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[DT.]

Kifeas, you really are stretching it a bit here. Having been told that there was no Greek Invasion and no Turkish Intervention and that we were being duped by Turkish propaganda, I only quoted Greek/GC sources to show that the view was incorect. Actually, I don't object to it being called a Turkish invasion. The liberation of Europe was started by the Normandy Invasion. What I object to is the prevailing attempt by many GCs to give the impression that they were sunning themselves on the beach when suddenly, out of nowhere, for no reason, came the Turkish Army, making themselves out to be poor little victims.

In reality, the Greek government had stuffed Cyprus full of Greek soldiers contrary, the GCs government had permitted (if not encouraged) thugs terrorise the TCs and force them to live in enclaves. Their future under the Sampson regime looked grim if you are to believe another Greek source, the newspaper Eleftherotipia which published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

As for legality, I'm sure that you've read it before, but if you have not the Treaty of Guarantee is at: http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty ... rantee.pdf.

Article I: The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity, and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. It accordingly declares prohibited any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other State or partition of the Island.

President Sampson had certainly broken Article I


ARTICLE IV: In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary toensure observance of those provisions.
In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

Turkey complied with Article IV

[Kikapu]

ARTICLE IV: In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary toensure observance of those provisions.
In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

Turkey complied with Article IV

Turkey could have complied with this article as she should have done, but instead broke her "rights" in this article as well as all the other ones.

Why don't you ask Zan to re-post the articles of Guarantor agreements for Cyprus.

He did it not so long ago. Perhaps he will do it again.

[DT.]

Kifeas, you really are stretching it a bit here. Having been told that there was no Greek Invasion and no Turkish Intervention and that we were being duped by Turkish propaganda, I only quoted Greek/GC sources to show that the view was incorect. Actually, I don't object to it being called a Turkish invasion. The liberation of Europe was started by the Normandy Invasion. What I object to is the prevailing attempt by many GCs to give the impression that they were sunning themselves on the beach when suddenly, out of nowhere, for no reason, came the Turkish Army, making themselves out to be poor little victims.

In reality, the Greek government had stuffed Cyprus full of Greek soldiers contrary, the GCs government had permitted (if not encouraged) thugs terrorise the TCs and force them to live in enclaves. Their future under the Sampson regime looked grim if you are to believe another Greek source, the newspaper Eleftherotipia which published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

As for legality, I'm sure that you've read it before, but if you have not the Treaty of Guarantee is at: http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty ... rantee.pdf.

Article I: The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity, and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. It accordingly declares prohibited any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other State or partition of the Island.

President Sampson had certainly broken Article I


ARTICLE IV: In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary toensure observance of those provisions.
In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

Turkey complied with Article IV

I'm begging you...please please tell us how turkey complied with article IV?

[DT.]

YOOHOO Observer??

[oranos64]

guys ,,,both the US ,UK AND GREECE AND TURKEY ARE RESPONSIBLE AS WERE RIGHT WING MEMBERS OF CYPRUS PUBLIC FOR 74 ...US AND UK WANTED CYPRUS AS STRATIGIC POINT ...why ..cyprus is the stepping stone to med.africa and europe ...all of them were responsible ...divide and conquer anybody ...IF you divide up communities they will turn on themselves ......cyprus is big money and excellent for the US to get close to the mid east ....incase arabic or turkish allies fall ...
there were no good guys nor bad guys at that time ...everybody sold us out the same way we sold out cyprus today to anyway for £100k FOR OUR LANDS ..both communities were wrong and both commited propaganda ..green light to invade was granted by u.s and uk ...
WAKE UP ...IT DONT MATTER WHO WAS RIGHT OR WRONG ....ITS TOO LATE ,LANDS DIVIDED AND THE ISLAND IS BECOMING A HOME TO SLAVERY ..A SHADOW OF IT SELF ....

[Get Real!]

YOOHOO Observer??

I guess you're going to miss him...

[DT.]

YOOHOO Observer??

I guess you're going to miss him...

its an empty feeling...just when we were bonding.

[observer]

You may wish to stay up all night ‘solving’ the Cyprus Problem but some of us have got to sleep.

Following the events of July 1974 there was no effective government of Cyprus and certainly nothing like a constitutional one. In fact there hadn’t been a constitutional one since 1963. At the second Geneva Conference held between 10-12 August 1974 both community representatives, Rauf Denktaş and Glafkos Klerides, agreed that the 1960 Constitution was unworkable and that a new one based on BBF should be agreed.

Rauf Denktaş’ statement said, among other things, ‘a fundamental revision of the Constitutional structure of the Republic of Cyprus is necessary to ensure that the tragic events of the past should not repeat themselves and in order to provide the minimum conditions in which the Greek and Turkish Communities in Cyprus can permanently coexist together .... they (Denktaş & Kleridies) agreed that this revision should result in the establishment of a federal system of government ... composed of two federated states with full control and autonomy within their respective boundaries’.

Just in case anyone thinks that this is TC propaganda, Glafkos Klerides independently issued the following statement, ‘(Denktaş & Kleridies)... have agreed that a fundamental revision of the governmental system of the Republic of Cyprus is necessary to provide the conditions in which the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities will be able to live in peace ... They (Denktaş & Kleridies) have agreed that this revision must result in the establishment of a system based on the existence of two autonomous administrations within suitable boundaries united under a central government’.

Where you have no constitutional government to hand power back to, the leaders of both communities saying that the constitution is unworkable and that a new one should be agreed written around BBF then it is only sensible to allow the leaders of the two communities to reach an agreement. We have been waiting for nearly 33 years now.

I am not party to Turkish government thinking, but it is at least indicative that the Turks would have withdrawn all but a handful of their troops (those remaining being matched by remaining Greek troops) if both communities had agreed the A Plan

[zan]

guys ,,,both the US ,UK AND GREECE AND TURKEY ARE RESPONSIBLE AS WERE RIGHT WING MEMBERS OF CYPRUS PUBLIC FOR 74 ...US AND UK WANTED CYPRUS AS STRATIGIC POINT ...why ..cyprus is the stepping stone to med.africa and europe ...all of them were responsible ...divide and conquer anybody ...IF you divide up communities they will turn on themselves ......cyprus is big money and excellent for the US to get close to the mid east ....incase arabic or turkish allies fall ...
there were no good guys nor bad guys at that time ...everybody sold us out the same way we sold out cyprus today to anyway for £100k FOR OUR LANDS ..both communities were wrong and both commited propaganda ..green light to invade was granted by u.s and uk ...
WAKE UP ...IT DONT MATTER WHO WAS RIGHT OR WRONG ....ITS TOO LATE ,LANDS DIVIDED AND THE ISLAND IS BECOMING A HOME TO SLAVERY ..A SHADOW OF IT SELF ....

What does it matter who gave the go ahead. The treaty allowed for Turkey to intervene and she did. The talks went on to re-establish the government and the constitution but it took years and just as Makarios and Denktas were about to sign an agreement Makarios died of a so called heart attack. The following leader should have honoured that agreement and signed it but they did not ...why. Does that not ring alarm bells in your head and tell you why Turkey is still there.

Your arguments are uninformed and unjust.

[souroul]

guys ,,,both the US ,UK AND GREECE AND TURKEY ARE RESPONSIBLE AS WERE RIGHT WING MEMBERS OF CYPRUS PUBLIC FOR 74 ...US AND UK WANTED CYPRUS AS STRATIGIC POINT ...why ..cyprus is the stepping stone to med.africa and europe ...all of them were responsible ...divide and conquer anybody ...IF you divide up communities they will turn on themselves ......cyprus is big money and excellent for the US to get close to the mid east ....incase arabic or turkish allies fall ...
there were no good guys nor bad guys at that time ...everybody sold us out the same way we sold out cyprus today to anyway for £100k FOR OUR LANDS ..both communities were wrong and both commited propaganda ..green light to invade was granted by u.s and uk ...
WAKE UP ...IT DONT MATTER WHO WAS RIGHT OR WRONG ....ITS TOO LATE ,LANDS DIVIDED AND THE ISLAND IS BECOMING A HOME TO SLAVERY ..A SHADOW OF IT SELF ....

What does it matter who gave the go ahead. The treaty allowed for Turkey to intervene and she did. The talks went on to re-establish the government and the constitution but it took years and just as Makarios and Denktas were about to sign an agreement Makarios died of a so called heart attack. The following leader should have honoured that agreement and signed it but they did not ...why. Does that not ring alarm bells in your head and tell you why Turkey is still there.

Your arguments are uninformed and unjust.

intervention doesnt mean occupation