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[bigOz]

DT

Typical talk of a total tosser, hey man the americans were fucking each other over at the time, so screwing over cyprus at the same time was dead easy for them. As if you expect us to beleive the the US stops its foreign policy during internal issues. Utter crap.

The cyprus problem was designed by the USA, prepared by the british and executed by the Turks. Period. Which ever way you cut it we got screwed on the actions essentially of those 3 nations above. I'm not saying the GCs/TCs/Greeks were angels , they were manupulated to get the US and the british what they wanted. Cyprus.

My answer is why don't they all just fuck off and leave cyprus for the cypriots.

I wonder what other big building the US is gonna blow up as an excuse to go to Iran? Watch this space won't be too long now, and if Miltiades is anything to go by it will be sooner rather than later!

Heavy on emotion – low on rationality.

The Cyprus problem was caused by a Greek invasion, followed by a Turkish intervention. I don’t think that either the Americans or the British, or anyone else, needed to persuade the Greeks to invade, they had been arming and encouraging EOKA and its successors, EOKA-B for the previous 20 years, with the aim of making Cyprus part of Greece.

Following the 1974 ceasefire, the two community leaders agreed to a bizonal bicommunal federation which the GCs have repeatedly tried to avoid implementing.

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

Allow me to ask you a very serious question Kifeas!
How many military personnel should be present on the island before it can be considered as being "occupied" or "invaded by a foreign force?

20,000 or 30,000 or perhaps 40,000?

Once you have answered that one, please indulge us exactly how many (official) mainland Greek soldiers were on the island just before 1974 coup and what was their role. And that is not counting the unofficial ones or the "paid" ones imported and integrated into the National Guard at the time!

Once you've done that, if you are addressing the 30,000 Turkish soldiers on the island now as "occupiers", or "invaders", what would you yourself call the status of the mainland Greek presence on the island at that time? (and probably even now)

Holiday making "tourists" perhaps?

[observer]

Kifeas

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

It is clearly an Invasion from outside. in flagrant violation of the Independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. The so called coup was the work of the Greek officers staffing and commanding National Guard.
Makarios speech to the UN Security Council 19 Jul 1974

The Athens Court of Appeal, in its decision of March 21, 1979, also held that the "intervention of Turkey in Cyprus was legal: ".... The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor powers, had the right to fulfil her obligations. The real culprits... are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for this intervention.")
Decision no: 2658/79 Dated 23/3/79

So, we are being brainwashed by the Turk-loving propagandists Makarios and the Athens Court of Appeal are we?

I think that the propogandist boot is on the other foot, the GC propaganda machine trying to re-write history.


Sorry DT for applying the wrong name to the item I originally quoted. Simple human error.

[bigOz]

DT

Typical talk of a total tosser, hey man the americans were fucking each other over at the time, so screwing over cyprus at the same time was dead easy for them. As if you expect us to beleive the the US stops its foreign policy during internal issues. Utter crap.

The cyprus problem was designed by the USA, prepared by the british and executed by the Turks. Period. Which ever way you cut it we got screwed on the actions essentially of those 3 nations above. I'm not saying the GCs/TCs/Greeks were angels , they were manupulated to get the US and the british what they wanted. Cyprus.

My answer is why don't they all just fuck off and leave cyprus for the cypriots.

I wonder what other big building the US is gonna blow up as an excuse to go to Iran? Watch this space won't be too long now, and if Miltiades is anything to go by it will be sooner rather than later!

Heavy on emotion – low on rationality.

The Cyprus problem was caused by a Greek invasion, followed by a Turkish intervention. I don’t think that either the Americans or the British, or anyone else, needed to persuade the Greeks to invade, they had been arming and encouraging EOKA and its successors, EOKA-B for the previous 20 years, with the aim of making Cyprus part of Greece.

Following the 1974 ceasefire, the two community leaders agreed to a bizonal bicommunal federation which the GCs have repeatedly tried to avoid implementing.

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

Allow me to ask you a very serious question Kifeas!
How many military personnel should be present on the island before it can be considered as being "occupied" or "invaded by a foreign force?

20,000 or 30,000 or perhaps 40,000?

Once you have answered that one, please indulge us exactly how many (official) mainland Greek soldiers were on the island just before 1974 coup and what was their role. And that is not counting the unofficial ones or the "paid" ones imported and integrated into the National Guard at the time!

Once you've done that, if you are addressing the 30,000 Turkish soldiers on the island now as "occupiers", or "invaders", what would you yourself call the status of the mainland Greek presence on the island at that time? (and probably even now)

Holiday making "tourists" perhaps?

Why is it I never get an answer every time I ask a perfectly legitimate question???

[DT.]

DT

Typical talk of a total tosser, hey man the americans were fucking each other over at the time, so screwing over cyprus at the same time was dead easy for them. As if you expect us to beleive the the US stops its foreign policy during internal issues. Utter crap.

The cyprus problem was designed by the USA, prepared by the british and executed by the Turks. Period. Which ever way you cut it we got screwed on the actions essentially of those 3 nations above. I'm not saying the GCs/TCs/Greeks were angels , they were manupulated to get the US and the british what they wanted. Cyprus.

My answer is why don't they all just fuck off and leave cyprus for the cypriots.

I wonder what other big building the US is gonna blow up as an excuse to go to Iran? Watch this space won't be too long now, and if Miltiades is anything to go by it will be sooner rather than later!

Heavy on emotion – low on rationality.

The Cyprus problem was caused by a Greek invasion, followed by a Turkish intervention. I don’t think that either the Americans or the British, or anyone else, needed to persuade the Greeks to invade, they had been arming and encouraging EOKA and its successors, EOKA-B for the previous 20 years, with the aim of making Cyprus part of Greece.

Following the 1974 ceasefire, the two community leaders agreed to a bizonal bicommunal federation which the GCs have repeatedly tried to avoid implementing.

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

Allow me to ask you a very serious question Kifeas!
How many military personnel should be present on the island before it can be considered as being "occupied" or "invaded by a foreign force?

20,000 or 30,000 or perhaps 40,000?

Once you have answered that one, please indulge us exactly how many (official) mainland Greek soldiers were on the island just before 1974 coup and what was their role. And that is not counting the unofficial ones or the "paid" ones imported and integrated into the National Guard at the time!

Once you've done that, if you are addressing the 30,000 Turkish soldiers on the island now as "occupiers", or "invaders", what would you yourself call the status of the mainland Greek presence on the island at that time? (and probably even now)

Holiday making "tourists" perhaps?

BigOz From my own experience in the army...apart from ELDYK which is the constituionaly accepted number of greek troops to counter TURKDYK then there are no other Greek troops on the island. There are a few officers but if you're talking about the actual army then it is clearly Greek Cypriot.

[bigOz]

DT

Typical talk of a total tosser, hey man the americans were fucking each other over at the time, so screwing over cyprus at the same time was dead easy for them. As if you expect us to beleive the the US stops its foreign policy during internal issues. Utter crap.

The cyprus problem was designed by the USA, prepared by the british and executed by the Turks. Period. Which ever way you cut it we got screwed on the actions essentially of those 3 nations above. I'm not saying the GCs/TCs/Greeks were angels , they were manupulated to get the US and the british what they wanted. Cyprus.

My answer is why don't they all just fuck off and leave cyprus for the cypriots.

I wonder what other big building the US is gonna blow up as an excuse to go to Iran? Watch this space won't be too long now, and if Miltiades is anything to go by it will be sooner rather than later!

Heavy on emotion – low on rationality.

The Cyprus problem was caused by a Greek invasion, followed by a Turkish intervention. I don’t think that either the Americans or the British, or anyone else, needed to persuade the Greeks to invade, they had been arming and encouraging EOKA and its successors, EOKA-B for the previous 20 years, with the aim of making Cyprus part of Greece.

Following the 1974 ceasefire, the two community leaders agreed to a bizonal bicommunal federation which the GCs have repeatedly tried to avoid implementing.

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

Allow me to ask you a very serious question Kifeas!
How many military personnel should be present on the island before it can be considered as being "occupied" or "invaded by a foreign force?

20,000 or 30,000 or perhaps 40,000?

Once you have answered that one, please indulge us exactly how many (official) mainland Greek soldiers were on the island just before 1974 coup and what was their role. And that is not counting the unofficial ones or the "paid" ones imported and integrated into the National Guard at the time!

Once you've done that, if you are addressing the 30,000 Turkish soldiers on the island now as "occupiers", or "invaders", what would you yourself call the status of the mainland Greek presence on the island at that time? (and probably even now)

Holiday making "tourists" perhaps?

BigOz From my own experience in the army...apart from ELDYK which is the constituionaly accepted number of greek troops to counter TURKDYK then there are no other Greek troops on the island. There are a few officers but if you're talking about the actual army then it is clearly Greek Cypriot.

Thanks for the reply DT - I am genuinely not well informed about the military position on the Greek side. Between 1963 - 1974 he constitutionally agreed number was blatantly abused by the RoC and Greek mainland forces, when they had free control of all air and see ports in contrast to TC enclaves. Of course there is no reason to believe the same applies now, and things must have changed after 1974. I was just wandering if anyone knows anything about the true numbers of mainland Greek soldiers currently on the island.

I do not doubt your word on this matter, but would like to hear if anyone else thinks or knows otherwise.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

It is clearly an Invasion from outside. in flagrant violation of the Independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. The so called coup was the work of the Greek officers staffing and commanding National Guard.
Makarios speech to the UN Security Council 19 Jul 1974

The Athens Court of Appeal, in its decision of March 21, 1979, also held that the "intervention of Turkey in Cyprus was legal: ".... The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor powers, had the right to fulfil her obligations. The real culprits... are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for this intervention.")
Decision no: 2658/79 Dated 23/3/79

So, we are being brainwashed by the Turk-loving propagandists Makarios and the Athens Court of Appeal are we?

I think that the propogandist boot is on the other foot, the GC propaganda machine trying to re-write history.


Sorry DT for applying the wrong name to the item I originally quoted. Simple human error.

1.) My little propaganda machine observer, there is no such decision by any Greek court, and even if there was one, it is not (never) up to national courts to decide on the legality or illegality of international events and /or disputes! This is the job of the UN and international courts! Learn a bit about international law, before farting here!

2.) The RoC has in numerous occasions invited Turkey to accept a hearing and a ruling by the Hague International Court of Justice (ICJ) on the legality or illegality of the Turkish invasion! Turkey has consistently refused to accept such a procedure (it unfortunately requires the mutual consent of both parties in the dispute for such a trial to take place.) Why, if Turkey (and you of course) are so sure about the legality of the invasion, do not accept a trial by an international court?

3.) It is irrelevant the way in which Makarios had once choosen, at that particular time, to described the Greek Junta and GC National Guard coup against his government; presumably in order to win sympathy and mobilise the international community more effectively, to the actual fact that it wasn’t an invasion by Greece as such, but an illegal intervention! Invasion occurs only when a country uses its military strength in order to forcefully violently break in and land troops into the territory of another country, in order to occupy parts or the whole of it, exactly like Turkey did in 1974! The coup was carried out by the RoC National Guard under the command of mainland Greek officers already seconded into its hierarchy, which were already stationed in Cyprus and paid by the RoC! It did not seek to occupy any specific territory of Cyprus, as such, but only overthrow and replace the elected government. No Greek troops came from outside at that particular time, either peacefully or violently, in order to take part in the coup. Such an act is regarded a coup, and to the extent that for this coup there were orders from outside, then we have an illegal foreign intervention by Greece, a foreign country.

Invasion is something else. Invasion is what Turkey did after the coup, on the 20th of July 1974!

What Greece did was an illegal intervention that caused the death of just about 100 people. The list of casualties is out there for everyone to read it! What Turkey did was an illegal invasion that eventually caused the death of as many as 6,000 people (including all the missing ones and including also some 500-600 TCs.) What is even worst, even though the coup lasted for only 6 days and then it collapsed, the illegal Turkish invasion went further by ethnically cleansing the entire GC indigenous population of 37% of Cyprus, and permanently occupied illegally the northern 37% of Cyprus for the last 33 years!

4.) The Turkish invasion (as well as the Greek intervention via a coup) were both illegal under the UN Charter. The UN Charter specifically states that no military intervention or invasion into the territory of any UN member country can take place by any one other country, without the specific approval of the UN Security Council. The UN charter also says (article 103) that any other international agreement or treaty (such as the 1960 Zurich and London agreements) that are in conflict with the provisions of the Charter, the UN Charter rules over and takes priority as the highest of all treaties! The UN Charter is accepted and ratified by all nation-states, once they become members of the UN, and this of course includes Greece, Turkey and the UK!


The Turkish invasion was illegal, because it violated the UN Charter, by default the highest international treaty on earth!

[DT.]

DT

Typical talk of a total tosser, hey man the americans were fucking each other over at the time, so screwing over cyprus at the same time was dead easy for them. As if you expect us to beleive the the US stops its foreign policy during internal issues. Utter crap.

The cyprus problem was designed by the USA, prepared by the british and executed by the Turks. Period. Which ever way you cut it we got screwed on the actions essentially of those 3 nations above. I'm not saying the GCs/TCs/Greeks were angels , they were manupulated to get the US and the british what they wanted. Cyprus.

My answer is why don't they all just fuck off and leave cyprus for the cypriots.

I wonder what other big building the US is gonna blow up as an excuse to go to Iran? Watch this space won't be too long now, and if Miltiades is anything to go by it will be sooner rather than later!

Heavy on emotion – low on rationality.

The Cyprus problem was caused by a Greek invasion, followed by a Turkish intervention. I don’t think that either the Americans or the British, or anyone else, needed to persuade the Greeks to invade, they had been arming and encouraging EOKA and its successors, EOKA-B for the previous 20 years, with the aim of making Cyprus part of Greece.

Following the 1974 ceasefire, the two community leaders agreed to a bizonal bicommunal federation which the GCs have repeatedly tried to avoid implementing.

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

Allow me to ask you a very serious question Kifeas!
How many military personnel should be present on the island before it can be considered as being "occupied" or "invaded by a foreign force?

20,000 or 30,000 or perhaps 40,000?

Once you have answered that one, please indulge us exactly how many (official) mainland Greek soldiers were on the island just before 1974 coup and what was their role. And that is not counting the unofficial ones or the "paid" ones imported and integrated into the National Guard at the time!

Once you've done that, if you are addressing the 30,000 Turkish soldiers on the island now as "occupiers", or "invaders", what would you yourself call the status of the mainland Greek presence on the island at that time? (and probably even now)

Holiday making "tourists" perhaps?

BigOz From my own experience in the army...apart from ELDYK which is the constituionaly accepted number of greek troops to counter TURKDYK then there are no other Greek troops on the island. There are a few officers but if you're talking about the actual army then it is clearly Greek Cypriot.

Thanks for the reply DT - I am genuinely not well informed about the military position on the Greek side. Between 1963 - 1974 he constitutionally agreed number was blatantly abused by the RoC and Greek mainland forces, when they had free control of all air and see ports in contrast to TC enclaves. Of course there is no reason to believe the same applies now, and things must have changed after 1974. I was just wandering if anyone knows anything about the true numbers of mainland Greek soldiers currently on the island.

I do not doubt your word on this matter, but would like to hear if anyone else thinks or knows otherwise.

cross-reference it Oz but as a general remark may I say that after 74 Greek troops were not very popular in Cyprus.

[74LB]

Kifeas

I know thousands of international media reports around the 1974 events, which all talk about a Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and I know none talking about a Greek "invasion!" Yet, many pathetic brainwashed Turks talk about a Greek "invasion" and a Turkish "intervention!"

It is clearly an Invasion from outside. in flagrant violation of the Independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. The so called coup was the work of the Greek officers staffing and commanding National Guard.
Makarios speech to the UN Security Council 19 Jul 1974

The Athens Court of Appeal, in its decision of March 21, 1979, also held that the "intervention of Turkey in Cyprus was legal: ".... The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor powers, had the right to fulfil her obligations. The real culprits... are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for this intervention.")
Decision no: 2658/79 Dated 23/3/79

So, we are being brainwashed by the Turk-loving propagandists Makarios and the Athens Court of Appeal are we?

I think that the propogandist boot is on the other foot, the GC propaganda machine trying to re-write history.


Sorry DT for applying the wrong name to the item I originally quoted. Simple human error.

1.) My little propaganda machine observer, there is no such decision by any Greek court, and even if there was one, it is not (never) up to national courts to decide on the legality or illegality of international events and /or disputes! This is the job of the UN and international courts! Learn a bit about international law, before farting here!

2.) The RoC has in numerous occasions invited Turkey to accept a hearing and a ruling by the Hague International Court of Justice (ICJ) on the legality or illegality of the Turkish invasion! Turkey has consistently refused to accept such a procedure (it unfortunately requires the mutual consent of both parties in the dispute for such a trial to take place.) Why, if Turkey (and you of course) are so sure about the legality of the invasion, do not accept a trial by an international court?

3.) It is irrelevant the way in which Makarios had once choosen, at that particular time, to described the Greek Junta and GC National Guard coup against his government; presumably in order to win sympathy and mobilise the international community more effectively, to the actual fact that it wasn’t an invasion by Greece as such, but an illegal intervention! Invasion occurs only when a country uses its military strength in order to forcefully violently break in and land troops into the territory of another country, in order to occupy parts or the whole of it, exactly like Turkey did in 1974! The coup was carried out by the RoC National Guard under the command of mainland Greek officers already seconded into its hierarchy, which were already stationed in Cyprus and paid by the RoC! It did not seek to occupy any specific territory of Cyprus, as such, but only overthrow and replace the elected government. No Greek troops came from outside at that particular time, either peacefully or violently, in order to take part in the coup. Such an act is regarded a coup, and to the extent that for this coup there were orders from outside, then we have an illegal foreign intervention by Greece, a foreign country.

Invasion is something else. Invasion is what Turkey did after the coup, on the 20th of July 1974!

What Greece did was an illegal intervention that caused the death of just about 100 people. The list of casualties is out there for everyone to read it! What Turkey did was an illegal invasion that eventually caused the death of as many as 6,000 people (including all the missing ones and including also some 500-600 TCs.) What is even worst, even though the coup lasted for only 6 days and then it collapsed, the illegal Turkish invasion went further by ethnically cleansing the entire GC indigenous population of 37% of Cyprus, and permanently occupied illegally the northern 37% of Cyprus for the last 33 years!

4.) The Turkish invasion (as well as the Greek intervention via a coup) were both illegal under the UN Charter. The UN Charter specifically states that no military intervention or invasion into the territory of any UN member country can take place by any one other country, without the specific approval of the UN Security Council. The UN charter also says (article 103) that any other international agreement or treaty (such as the 1960 Zurich and London agreements) that are in conflict with the provisions of the Charter, the UN Charter rules over and takes priority as the highest of all treaties! The UN Charter is accepted and ratified by all nation-states, once they become members of the UN, and this of course includes Greece, Turkey and the UK!


The Turkish invasion was illegal, because it violated the UN Charter, by default the highest international treaty on earth!

Kifeas, you can call the events of 20th July 1974 whatever you want but if Turkey had not intervened who is to say what would have been the outcome with regards to the TC community.

One only has to look back at what occurred in Srebrenica in 1995 which was designated a UN safe area at the time and where thousands upon thousands were slaughtered.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/675945.stm

I for one, together with my family & whole village who had taken refuge within the walls of Famagusta on the evening of 20th July 1974 are FOREVER grateful that Turkey intervened, invaded, call it what you want.

Having said that, in my opinion I would go on to say that 99.9% of the TC's living in Cyprus at the time welcomed Turkeys intervention as well, for believe it or not, we were scared of not knowing what the final outcome of the events from the 15th July 1974 would have led to.

[Kifeas]

74Londonboy, I fully appreciate and accept what you are saying regarding the fears and concerns of the TC community regarding its safety, as a result of the coup, the overthrowing of Makarios government and the undertaking of control by the nationalist coupists. I do not intent nor wish to downplay it at all. After all, people’s safety and lives is the most sacred thing, and it is not something one can take lightly. It is not a joke!

Even though I am sure you know and accept that the coupists did not cause any direct harm on any single TC, at least during the 5 days they manage to take control, before the Turkish invasion; the very first person that went straight ahead in the UN SC, just 4 days after his overthrowing and its miraculous and adventurous escape, was the president of the republic, Makarios. He went to the UN SC and on the 19th of July 1974 he made a public address in which he accused the Greek regime and the coupists for what they have done, warned the SC of the dangers to the safety of both the TC and GC community, and asked the UN to take immediate action to force the coupist to surrender power back to the legitimate government and the mainland Greek officers responsible for ordering it to live from Cyprus.

Before any TC was harmed, and before the UN SC even discusses the issue and takes the whatever necessary measures, Turkey, using the coup and the safety of the TCs as a pre-text, decides to act deliberately “pre-maturely,” in order to attain an illegitimate fait accompli favorable to her own aims; before any other legal and legitimate action is decided by the UN and the international community.

Had the issue not been taken to the UN, almost immediately after Makarios left Cyprus, had the UN SC failed to consider the issue and take any action after the problem and the dangers were made clear to them by Makarios, had in the meanwhile a single Turkish Cypriot was harmed by the coupists; then I would have been the first one to have accepted that a Turkish invasion (or intervention) was perhaps not legal, but definitely legitimate.

None of the above happened or was allowed to materialize, because Turkey rushed immediately to cease the chance to illegally and illegitimately invade Cyprus, as it was planning to do long before and only waiting for the right chance or pre-text. To claim that Turkey invaded as a result of the coup and in order to “re-establish” the constitutional order and secure the safety of the TC community, is one of the most dissembled and posthumous nonsense one can make. Turkey was fervently preparing for an invasion (and partition) since the early sixties, even before the 1963-64 events. It tried this already 3 times before 74, and it was stopped by the US and Soviet Union (once,) simply because the pre-text it tried to use (the safety of the TC community) was deemed not sufficient, reasonable and justified.

It is no secret that the TMT (acting under the guidance of the Turkish secret services) was in the business of steering conflicts between the two communities, in order to invite attacks by GC fanatics against TCs, and then allow Turkey to use it as a pre-text to invade. For the TMT, the more the victims from the TC community, the better the cause of invasion and partition was served. This was well know to the foreign embassies and the UN in Cyprus, that is why they never saw the intercommunal conflict in Cyprus with the same eye that Turkey and the TC leadership would present it to them, or how they would have like them to have seen it. That is why they also stopped the 3 previous attempts by Turkey to invade.

Going back to 1974, not only Turkey illegally and illegitimately invaded, deliberately prematurely so that it acts before the international community takes any other action towards the same direction and thus dissolves the pre-text that it needed; but it went ahead to ethnically cleansed the entire GC population from the north (instead of re-establishing the constitutional order that supposedly it was her “duty” under the 1960 agreements) and occupied the 37% of Cyprus. Even if one assumes (wrongfully) that Turkey had a legitimate reason to invade, the actual act was a complete illegality and a violation of an entire people’s human rights.

Not only it occupied 37% of Cyprus, but it also usurped the all properties of the ethnically cleansed population and distributed them to its own population and other foreigners, plus the part of the TC community that used to live in the south and which it invited to migrate to the north.

It furthermore illegally declared a separate state in the north, using its own population that it transferred from Turkey, and in the absence of the indigenous and ethnically cleansed GC population of that area, which used to be the majority of the legal inhabitants of that part of Cyprus, since centuries long before.

How many illegalities should one count in the actions of Turkey and how much common sense should one have, in order for someone to be convinced that there is no chance that in the 21st century of the UN, human rights declarations and treaties, international law, and more importantly now with Cyprus itself in the EU; all the above illegal fait accomplices will never be legalized without this been done over our dead bodies as a GC community?

[observer]

Kifeas, you really are stretching it a bit here. Having been told that there was no Greek Invasion and no Turkish Intervention and that we were being duped by Turkish propaganda, I only quoted Greek/GC sources to show that the view was incorect. Actually, I don't object to it being called a Turkish invasion. The liberation of Europe was started by the Normandy Invasion. What I object to is the prevailing attempt by many GCs to give the impression that they were sunning themselves on the beach when suddenly, out of nowhere, for no reason, came the Turkish Army, making themselves out to be poor little victims.

In reality, the Greek government had stuffed Cyprus full of Greek soldiers contrary, the GCs government had permitted (if not encouraged) thugs terrorise the TCs and force them to live in enclaves. Their future under the Sampson regime looked grim if you are to believe another Greek source, the newspaper Eleftherotipia which published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

As for legality, I'm sure that you've read it before, but if you have not the Treaty of Guarantee is at: http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty ... rantee.pdf.

Article I: The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity, and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. It accordingly declares prohibited any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other State or partition of the Island.

President Sampson had certainly broken Article I


ARTICLE IV: In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary toensure observance of those provisions.
In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty

Turkey complied with Article IV