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[Piratis]

Here I post the Universal declaration of human rights from the UN.
In bold are the human rights that GCs are expected to accept to compromise.
They expect us to compromise all these basic human rights, and on the other hand they compromise NOTHING that they rightfully have.

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.

(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.

(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.

(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

As you can see, the solution that they want us to accept is based on the violation of the universal human rights.

We are even ready to compromise some of these human rights to some degree. Unfortunately, they want us to compromise everything, and on the other hand what they "compromise" are things that never belonged to them in the first place, and 1/10th of their outrageous demands (which most of them are against our basic human rights as it can be seen from the declaration above)

[erolz]

The right of self-determination of peoples is a fundamental principle in international law. It is embodied in the Charter of the United Nations and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Common Article 1, paragraph 1 of these Covenants provide that:

"All peoples have the rights of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

As you can see, the solution that they want us to accept is based on the violation of the universal human rights.

As you can see, the 'solution' that they want us to accept (TC being nothing more than a political minority in Cyprus) is based on the violation of the universal human rights.

[Piratis]

"All peoples have the rights of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

1) turkich Cypriots are not "peoples", they are a minority
2) even if they were, this gives no excuse to violate any human rights.

Because you decided that you are "peoples" this doesn't give you any right to violate other people human rights.
This is why your pseudo state is illegal and invalid.

[turkcyp]

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[metecyp]

1) turkich Cypriots are not "peoples", they are a minority

Whether you like it or not, TCs are one of the two founders of the RoC so they're a seperate entity from the GC majority and a solution will take this into account in one way or another. This is accepted by the US, UK, EU. So stop wondering on the clouds and come back to reality because you'll end up either accepting TCs as a seperate entity in a federal united Cyprus or you'll agree for partition. End of the story.

[erolz]

1) turkich Cypriots are not "peoples", they are a minority

There you go again abusing our human rights (through denial of our existance as a people)

2) even if they were, this gives no excuse to violate any human rights.

No it does not give them any such right. However the fact remains that our rights are in conflict with yours. In such a senario the only sensible approach is for both sides to agree a compromise on their respective absolute rights. This however is hard to achieve when one side denies the rights of the other all togeather - which is what you do whilst maintaining that your rights must be absolute and without compromise or restriction.

Because you decided that you are "peoples" this doesn't give you any right to violate other people human rights.

and because you decide we are not it doesn't give you any right to deny our human rights - though you seem to think it does.

This is why your pseudo state is illegal and invalid.

Meaningless terms. There is no such thing as an illegal state. There are states that are recognised by other states and there are states that are not recognised by other states.

[Piratis]

If you had the right of self-determination the way you think about it then why "TRNC" is illegal?

the fact is that TCs never owned any specific part of land. You can't just grab a piece of land and cut everybody else human rights in the name of your "self - determination". This is not self determination since what you want to determine is not just for yourselves. You can not determine that others should not have their human rights.

Self-determination would be if you said something like: "This 30-50 villages are pure TC villages and we want to govern them just by ourselvs". But you can not steal Kerinia and Famagusta, kick everybody else out and call this self determination!! Thats redicoulous!!

[boulio]

piratis has a point there if the t/c say lives from the begining in the area they live now(basically northern cyprus today)then yes you would have self-determintation however the whole world knows how the demographics in the north happened so there is definetly no grounds for self-determination.

[PEACE]

Piratis is being more and more fanatic.

You are abusing human rights in order to violate our human rights.

We are Turkish Cypriot Community and we never be "minority".We talked before that minority as number and being minority politically is different.

Where doest ROC constitution says Turkish Cypriots are minority?

Yes everbody should have these rights you copied but even they have a limit!This limit is not harming others human rights! There should be some restrictions to protect our human rights against you,Ok? In this island we are leaving too and we won't be minority cos you said we are minority.Important point is the reality.

We all see that you are ready to violate our human rights supposing us a minority.But we are not! You can't give us less rights from what we have !

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[PEACE]

If you had the right of self-determination the way you think about it then why "TRNC" is illegal?

Why are u asking Piratis? You gave the answer below."Self-determination would be if you said something like: "This 30-50 villages are pure TC villages and we want to govern them just by ourselvs".

Self-determination would be if you said something like: "This 30-50 villages are pure TC villages and we want to govern them just by ourselvs". But you can not steal Kerinia and Famagusta, kick everybody else out and call this self determination!! Thats redicoulous!!

Yes,so we used our self-determination right about Annan Plan solution and that is valid.Turkish Constituent State should be declared instead of TRNC.[/quote]