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[PEACE]

piratis has a point there if the t/c say lives from the begining in the area they live now(basically northern cyprus today)then yes you would have self-determintation however the whole world knows how the demographics in the north happened so there is definetly no grounds for self-determination.

If they know so why they accepted,GC community too, referandum and indirectly accepting that referandum and our self-determination decision is lawfull?

[Piratis]

There should be some restrictions to protect our human rights against you,Ok?

But we don't want to take away any of your human rights.
If you didn't over do it, I am willing to accept some limitations of our human rights in order to accommodated a federal system in Cyprus. But if a federal system can be accommodated with lets say "5%" sacrifices of our human rights (e.g. not all refugees returning), then don't ask from us to accept "30%" sacrifices just because you want to screw us as much as possible.

[boulio]

the referandums i suspect you are refering to are those of the annan plan which is of two communiteis on cyprus.to have self determination you cannot try to have a one group extinguished in the north and then claim self determination.

[PEACE]

But we don't want to take away any of your human rights.

Is this certain? Sorry but i can't trust to anyone that supposes me minority!You know we are not.Even in ROC we have %30 ratio of rights.
Please search for our rights in ROC and tell me if we are like Armenians or other minority groups in Cyprus?

We need restrictions to prevent you from violating our rights before you limit them!We can't accept any solution that leaves an open door for violation!

.to have self determination you cannot try to have a one group extinguished in the north and then claim self determination.

You may be right,both sides should agree on it.Like we made seperate referendums and one side said "yes" and other side said "no".Result = it is null.

[boulio]

We need restrictions to prevent you from violating our rights before you limit them!We can't accept any solution that leaves an open door for violation!

its called the ehrc amd the eu.every person,community,minority,state,or govt. can and has a say when there violations are impeeded by someone else.

[metecyp]

its called the ehrc amd the eu.every person,community,minority,state,or govt. can and has a say when there violations are impeeded by someone else.

Yeah, right. The EHRC and the EU are working so great for Turks in Western Thrace. They can't even call themselves Turkish and you're asking us to trust the EHRC and the EU.

[boulio]

they have the right to appeal the descion to the ehrc metecyp,the greek supreme court ruled against them now they take it to the ehrc if they please,plain and simple.

[Saint Jimmy]

Yeah, right. The EHRC and the EU are working so great for Turks in Western Thrace. They can't even call themselves Turkish and you're asking us to trust the EHRC and the EU.

...which even we, GCs, can't trust. We are EU members and how has it helped us against Turkey?

[metecyp]

...which even we, GCs, can't trust. We are EU members and how has it helped us against Turkey?

Well, it's not completely useless. Louizidu (sorry for misspelling) got her money so it might work in some cases but I don't think TCs or GCs can trust the EHRC and the EU to solve their problems. We need to have a solid solution where people can clearly see that their rights won't be violated.

[Piratis]

What we will do is sign a contract and keep our signature. If any site is not going to keep what is signed then what does it matter what the contract said in the first place?