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ΗΠΑ - Δεν αλλάζει η ρωσική στάση στο Κυπριακό - ΗΠΑ, Βρετανία και ΟΗΕ ζητούν από την ελληνοκυπρίους γραπτώς τις προτάσεις τους για το σχέδιο Ανάν

ΑΠΕ
Παρασκευή, 11 Φεβρουαρίου 2005 20:46
Η ρωσική στάση στο Κυπριακό παραμένει η ίδια. Σύμφωνα με έγκυρη διπλωματική πηγή στην έδρα του ΟΗΕ, παρά την προσπάθεια των Ηνωμένων Πολιτειών και της Βρετανίας να επαναφέρουν στο Συμβούλιο Ασφαλείας την έκθεση Ανάν, με την οποία προτείνεται η οικονομική αναβάθμιση της τουρκοκυπριακής πλευράς, η Ρωσία διαμήνυσε ότι το θέμα της «απομόνωσης» των Τουρκοκυπρίων θα πρέπει να επιλυθεί μέσα στα πλαίσια συνολικής λύσης του Κυπριακού.

Τη θέση της Μόσχας μετέφερε σε χωριστές συναντήσεις που είχε στην έδρα των Ηνωμένων Εθνών, ο μόνιμος αντιπρόσωπος της Ρωσίας στο διεθνή οργανισμό με τον Βρετανό και τον Τούρκο ομόλογό του, καθώς και με τον αναπληρωτή γενικό γραμματέα των Ηνωμένων Εθνών για πολιτικές υποθέσεις, σερ Κίραν Πρέντεργκαστ.

Στο μεταξύ, οι αξιωματούχοι των ΗΠΑ, της Βρετανίας και της Γενικής Γραμματείας του ΟΗΕ επιμένουν να προβάλλουν την άποψη ότι η ελληνοκυπριακή πλευρά θα πρέπει να καταθέσει τις αλλαγές που επιθυμεί στο σχέδιο Ανάν, αφήνοντας να εννοηθεί ότι απ’ αυτή εξαρτάται αν θα αναληφθεί μια νέα πρωτοβουλία.

WHat it basically states is that the russian ambassodor to tHE UN yesterday specifically stated in seperate meeting with his british,american and turkish counterparts and to the special assistant to ANNAN Sir Prendegast that Russias position on cyprus and annan presantation to the security council have not changed.Russia further Stated that the t/c community's isolation will end when there is a mutually agreed solution to the cyprus problem.

Meanwhile today the UN,GREAT BRITAIN AND USA have asked the ROC President to state in writing what changes he wants to the ANNan plan in writing so that new negotions begin.[/b]

[boulio]

papadopoulos responds to the UN request:

Love him or hate him the man has balls,he's going to do it his way or no way.

UN SG's statement not objective, Cyprus President says
CNA - NICOSIA-Cyprus - 11/02/2005 12:31:03

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UN SG's statement not objective, Cyprus President says

Nicosia, Feb 11 (CNA) -- UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's statement on Cyprus was not objective, Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos said here Friday, adding that he intends to request clarifications from Annan as to whether the UN chief will launch a new initiative on Cyprus.

The Cypriot President's comments came in the wake of Annan's statement yesterday in London, urging Papadopoulos ''to really put his views on paper the changes he would want to have,'' on the Annan settlement plan, indicating ''it would be helpful for anyone who is going to begin discussions or resumption of talks.''.

''We must study very seriously the full text of the Annan statement. From a first assessment I consider that the Secretary-General's statements are not objective. I don't think it is objective on the one hand to refer to statements and declarations made by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayip Erdogan and on the other to ask our side to submit proposals and suggestions on paper,'' Papadopoulos said.

Noting that neither Erdogan has submitted proposals for changes on the Annan plan, the Cypriot President said ''I have not heard Annan to ask the Turkish side to do the same.''

President Papadopoulos said that the second issue that needs to be examined is the purpose of submitting proposals for changes on the plan and what would the Secretary General do after receiving these proposals.

He wondered whether Annan intends to undertake a new initiative on Cyprus and if this was the case what kind of initiative, adding that he believes that ''we must spare ourselves from the syndrome of arbitration and engage in substantive talks.''

''We cannot fail for a second time because that would be catastrophic for all and thus the need for substantive alterations to the Annan plan must be accepted'', the Cypriot President underlined.

Respodning to a question if the letter he sent to the UN chief on 6 June 2004 inluded the Greek Cypriot side's suggested changes on the Annan plan, Papadopoulos said that teh contents of that letter were known since it was sent to heads of state explaining the Greek Cypriot concerns and which in our view were the points bothering the Greek Cypriots that led them to vote against the Annan plan with such overwhelming majority.

''Therefore, whoever wants to learn which are the concerns that must be addressed in order to allow the Cypriot people to accept a peace plan based on the various proposals that have been submitted, can turn to this document,'' Papadopoulos said, adding that whoever says ''we do not know what it is you want'' has no excuse.

Asked if he intends to ask clarifications from Annan regarding yesterday's statements in London, Papadopoulos said ''we will examine what Annan exactly stated''.

''I believe it would not be right to reach conclusions only through press reports without having explanations from Annan himself on what he intends to do and what he means and especially if he accepts the principle that the plan requires substantive changes'', the Cypriot President noted.

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[boulio]

i think papadopoulos has heart,balls,and a brain.

turkcyp even at the wilton group meeting that happended in cyprus a few days ago and were there was high level of representaion by the british and EU and t/c community there was a conclusion made that the annan plan had some major flaws that need correcting.

i dont think anyone wants to fringe on the t/c rights and fears but you also have to take into account the g/c rights and fears also.

did you see what alexandros repsonded in the tread about the conferennce:

In the afternoon, I got to talk along with my Turkish Cypriot colleague with which we prepared the Survey (I am not supposed to mention names here). The conclusion of my presentation was that a revised Plan could get as much as 65-70% "Yes" from each community, and that it would not just be a case of "making it better for the Greek Cypriots" but that the Turkish Cypriots had valid concerns also (e.g about economic convergence and about the effective social integration of the two communities), and that these could also be addressed in a future Plan - thus making it more attractive for everyone involved.

Everyone found my presentation very interesting, some said it gave them hope for the future - that the problem could indeed be solved - and various ambassadors were asking that I send them copies of my full report. So in that sense, mission accomplished!

I think the most important result of the conference (and this came not just from my presentation but also from the presentations of others as well) was that the participants became convinced that the Annan Plan does in fact need substantial revising if it is to become acceptable to the Greek Cypriots.

[boulio]

i think the plan does need changes and that one can be created that will bring both communities to vote as alexandros stated 60-70% for a new plan.

and you may hate to admit it but if it happens it WILL be because of papadopoulos and his tactics

[Piratis]

Turcyp, I didn't see any men with heart on your site. I didn't see anybody willing to respect the human right of GCs. What kind of "hearty" people are these when they do not even respect basic human rights?

You have "won" Papadopolos, and all the others that think in a similar way like him with your outrageous and uncompromising demands. You really can't complain now. We tried the "good boy" compromising rout and failed. Papadopoulos way is the only way now.

[cannedmoose]

i think the plan does need changes and that one can be created that will bring both communities to vote as alexandros stated 60-70% for a new plan.

and you may hate to admit it but if it happens it WILL be because of papadopoulos and his tactics

Agreed that the Annan Plan does contain some flaws and will thus require some changes. But the GC's cannot have their cake and eat it. The GC (and TC) side will need to be flexible and willing to accept some things in the plan that at first glance are unpalletable. I think much of the problem with GC politicians (and this is not saying that TC politicians don't share similar traits) is that they've promised the well-worn slogan "right of return for all refugees, all settlers out" for so long, that to rescind on that promise would be political suicide. As a result, inflexibility becomes the rule, much as it has become the rule with Denktash and his determination to get separate recognition of the TRNC.

You say Papadopoulos has balls... maybe, he certainly did lead from the front in his rejectionism. However, what he doesn't have is guts. He doesn't have the guts to say to his people, look, we can't get everything back, we have to recognise that we are not in a position to dictate terms and we have to be flexible. He also doesn't have the guts to tell his people that all sides share equal blame for what happened in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, and as part of the generation of leaders during that time, he takes his share of that blame.

The way I see the current situation is as follows: you have the Turkish, Turkish-Cypriot and Greek administrations all displaying a degree of flexibility unknown in the past 30 years. Talat is certainly a man that the GC's should be able to do business with, in stark contrast to Denktash he does recognise that the TRNC has no future as an internationally recognised state - the false promises of the OIS and other countries around the world prove this.

Erdogan is also a man that they should be able to do business with, displaying an attitude towards Cyprus unprecedented since Cypriot independence, again in contrast to his predecessor Ecevit who believed he'd solved the problem in 1974. Yes, we still hear fire and brimstone on occasions from the Turks, but this is purely for domestic consumption, to satisfy the hardliners that he's not caving in to demands. Erdogan appreciates that if Turkey's European course is to continue, he must resolve Cyprus, no Cypriot President could possibly put a signature to Turkey's accession treaty if the island remains divided and he knows that.

In Greece, the Karamanlis government, again despite the staple line of 'we will support our Greek-Cypriot brothers' is tired of the problem. The status quo in Cyprus prevents Greece from radically improving Greco-Turkish relations, addressing the Aegean issues between them and fully exploiting the potential market between the two countries.

Hence, all of the pieces are in play for an endgame to the Cyprus problem. The only thing missing is a Greek-Cypriot President willing to make a bold move and sacrifice his king. So, while he may have balls, he has Greek-Cypriot balls, not Cypriot ones. He cares only for his own side, despite being the de jure leader of ALL Cypriots. His intransigence does his people no favours, does Cypriots as a whole no favours, and does his legacy in history no favours either. I'm not sure what the solution to the Cyprus problem will be, but I don't see Papadopoulos as part of it.

[boulio]

when i use the phrase balls it implies to guts also,however it does not apply to the interenal problem of cyprus (between the communities)it implies to his standing up to everyone and there mother under emmence prssure and threat and saying to the US,UN,TURKEY,GB AND HOWEVER ELSE,go fuck yourselves we will not be forced to swallow this plan.it strictly has to do with external my comment, however i do agree that he will have to deal and compromises internally with the t/c to get the plan that both communities want.

[Piratis]

Cannedmoose, what changed is this:

Turkey until "yesterday" thought that she had solved the Cyprus problem in 1974. they said this themselves numerous times. For them solution means to get what they want.
Recently they discovered that Cyprus can be a problem for them. All these changes have very little to do with Erdogan, Talad or Denctash, and everything to do with the EU accession of Cyprus.

So now that Turkey has seen that the Cyprus problem was still there for her, she called all her allies to solve her problem. The Annan plan was the solution to the problem of Turkey, not the solution to our problem. Or do you think is a coincidence that all those Ananas were rushing to "solve" the Cyprus problem before May 1st 2004, while no such rush existed in the last 30 years?

Papadopoulos is on the right track. The truth is that he has very little power, but he is trying his best. What he will try to do is to make Turkey understand that she can not have the cake and eat it. If they want their problems to end, they should accept a solution that will solve our problems as well.

[cannedmoose]

I'm glad we're in agreement that he has to display a more conciliatory attitude towards the TC's. However, while he can portray himself as a 'hard man' by standing strong against external pressure, Papadopoulos knows that ultimately Cyprus' fate has always and will always be decided by external forces. Any solution must also be favourable to Turkish, British, American and European interests, otherwise where will the financing and support for it come from?

The funding for a resolution in Cyprus cannot be found from internal means, look at the cost to Germany of reunification throughout the 1990s, it ran into tens of billions of dollars. While Cyprus is on a smaller scale, it will still be too large a drain on the Cyprus treasury alone. Cyprus needs to involve external players in the process, gaining their confidence and agreement in any solution and rationally, diplomatically forwarding their case. Bluster, harsh words etc. (such as those currently being displayed by my personal demon Christofias) do not help the cause.

I'm not saying Papadopoulos has to roll on his back and submit to all the demands being thrown at him. What I would prefer to see is a man determined to win back the respect of the international community and talk honestly about his desire for a resolution, his genuine concerns at the current plan and how he is prepared to meet with any parties, whether they be Turkish, Turkish-Cypriot, UN, EU, British, American, whoever, to work out a new way forward for the benefit of all Cypriots and the region as a whole. Then his kudos would rise and we could say this is a man prepared to do business and that we could all have faith in to achieve a right and just solution.