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The Cyprus Issue: What Is the Next Step?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Piratis » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:40 am

Thanks alot for confirming me that your kind believes Cyprus is Hellenic and that you are in the business of making sure that it gets Hellenized. The fact that Cyprus is not Hellenic and that it is Cypriot with a seperate/unique Turkish and Greek identity is a fact that you at some point will have to cope with. In 1964 you violated the other community`s rightful existense as an equal and seperate political entitiy in the name of handing over Cyprus to Greece. In the name of this lunatic crusade TCs were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed. You have been given a good lesson that you can not and will not achieve ENOSIS; you learned your lesson (unfortunately the hard way) and now you can not even dare to talk about ENOSIS. Lesson number two is that you will not be allowed to Hellenize Cyprus. Hope you are fast learners.


Read some history my dear uneducated friend. History doesn't start with the Ottomans butchering and stealing the lands of others as you have been probably taught at school.



After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html


So of course Cyprus is Hellenic and of course Cyprus has its own unique characteristics. The two are not mutually exclusive. Being "Hellenic" doesn't refer to a single country. It is a term like "Slavic" or "Arabic" etc.

As we have said many times union with Greece was our perfectly rightful demand. The fact that this demand was not achieved because some others forced us to do otherwise, doesn't change the history of our island.

You are welcome to stay in Cyprus as a minority, and we are ready to forgive you for the immerse suffering you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island. You as Cypriot citizens can be 100% equal to every other Cypriot and as a Turkish community you can maintain your different language, religion and everything else that you want. What you can not do is to forcefully erase the history of our island just because you don't like it, and try to Turkify part of it by means of murder and ethnic cleansing. If you do that, then we will treat you as an enemy, and your destiny will be the same as the one of all the other foreign invadors that ruled our island against our will.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:52 am

@Birkibrisli and Kikapu

Oh now I get it. So they are the outcome f calls to the Turkish millionaires to invest in the North.

I know first hand the mentality of mainland Turkish businessmen.They just invest and whatever will be will be. They like taking their chances. There are GC bussinessmen like that too anyway.

Just to give you an example: when the borders opened I was talking with a mainland Turk sort of bussiness spy at Kyrenia harbor. He was in constant call on his mobile with his boss in Turkey. Well gues what he was reporting: "there are thousands of "tourists" here, we will make a fortune if we put 10 speed lines to Turkey". I was shocked to learn from this guy that next week they would bring from Turkey 10 super-fast speed sea liners to carry "tourists" there. When i told him "hey, all those thousands of "tourists" you see are GCs who just came here to see their occupied lands, they WILL NOT in anyway travel to Turkey" the man got almost crazy.

I still remember him afterwards talking and talking on the mobile with his boss, sweating all over, trying to convince him to cancel everything, yet the boss couldn't seem to understand, and he kept on asking for further investigation etc :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I then thought look at the Turks man, they even have so fast bussiness spies all over. No wonder Onasis came from Turkey, he must have learned something there :wink:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:16 am

Piratis wrote: You are welcome to stay in Cyprus as a minority, and we are ready to forgive you for the immerse suffering you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island. You as Cypriot citizens can be 100% equal to every other Cypriot and as a Turkish community you can maintain your different language, religion and everything else that you want. What you can not do is to forcefully erase the history of our island just because you don't like it, and try to Turkify part of it by means of murder and ethnic cleansing. If you do that, then we will treat you as an enemy, and your destiny will be the same as the one of all the other foreign invadors that ruled our island against our will.


You know damn well that under the circumstances the vast majority of TCs will not trust to put their fates as a "minority" in our hands. I have personally saw the violent character and brutal face of the GC fanatics in the 60s and I tell you I was scared of them. Imagine a TC who did not just "see" those people.

The solution will be some sort of Federation or back to 1960 constitution BUT in both cases the TCs will administer themselves. Slowly slowly they will come to see the majority of us are not different than them, and are good people. The same will happen to us who think the Turks are nothing but "attilas" who did all those terrible things to us in 1974.

Please do not scare the TCs with what you know is their deepest fear.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:28 am

Piratis wrote:You are welcome to stay in Cyprus as a minority, and we are ready to forgive you for the immerse suffering you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island. You as Cypriot citizens can be 100% equal to every other Cypriot and as a Turkish community you can maintain your different language, religion and everything else that you want. What you can not do is to forcefully erase the history of our island just because you don't like it, and try to Turkify part of it by means of murder and ethnic cleansing. If you do that, then we will treat you as an enemy, and your destiny will be the same as the one of all the other foreign invadors that ruled our island against our will.


Exceptional paragraph. Bravo Piratis!
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:41 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Piratis wrote: You are welcome to stay in Cyprus as a minority, and we are ready to forgive you for the immerse suffering you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island. You as Cypriot citizens can be 100% equal to every other Cypriot and as a Turkish community you can maintain your different language, religion and everything else that you want. What you can not do is to forcefully erase the history of our island just because you don't like it, and try to Turkify part of it by means of murder and ethnic cleansing. If you do that, then we will treat you as an enemy, and your destiny will be the same as the one of all the other foreign invadors that ruled our island against our will.


You know damn well that under the circumstances the vast majority of TCs will not trust to put their fates as a "minority" in our hands. I have personally saw the violent character and brutal face of the GC fanatics in the 60s and I tell you I was scared of them. Imagine a TC who did not just "see" those people.

What TC's trust and what they don't trust is besides the point and their problem entirely and should not influence anyone as to what is legal and what is illegal on this island.

The solution will be some sort of Federation or back to 1960 constitution BUT in both cases the TCs will administer themselves. Slowly slowly they will come to see the majority of us are not different than them, and are good people. The same will happen to us who think the Turks are nothing but "attilas" who did all those terrible things to us in 1974.

Please do not scare the TCs with what you know is their deepest fear.

Forget it Pyro. This is not what the GC masses aim or want and you know that. The Turkish Cypriot community must confront the reality of life and that is that...

1. They are a minority period!
2. Turkey is here illegally period!
3. The "TRNC" was, is, and will always be illegal, period!

There's nothing debatable here.
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Postby DT. » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:47 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Piratis wrote: You are welcome to stay in Cyprus as a minority, and we are ready to forgive you for the immerse suffering you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island. You as Cypriot citizens can be 100% equal to every other Cypriot and as a Turkish community you can maintain your different language, religion and everything else that you want. What you can not do is to forcefully erase the history of our island just because you don't like it, and try to Turkify part of it by means of murder and ethnic cleansing. If you do that, then we will treat you as an enemy, and your destiny will be the same as the one of all the other foreign invadors that ruled our island against our will.


You know damn well that under the circumstances the vast majority of TCs will not trust to put their fates as a "minority" in our hands. I have personally saw the violent character and brutal face of the GC fanatics in the 60s and I tell you I was scared of them. Imagine a TC who did not just "see" those people.

The solution will be some sort of Federation or back to 1960 constitution BUT in both cases the TCs will administer themselves. Slowly slowly they will come to see the majority of us are not different than them, and are good people. The same will happen to us who think the Turks are nothing but "attilas" who did all those terrible things to us in 1974.

Please do not scare the TCs with what you know is their deepest fear.


that last line worries me a little Pyr. It sounds to me like you're afraid we'll let the cat out of the bag. DO you mean
1) there should be a more diplomatic way of pointing this out to the TC's
2) We shouldn't tell them about what we think is fair regarding one man one vote?
3) Or that we shouldn't say a thing till its too late for them.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:50 am

DT. wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Piratis wrote: You are welcome to stay in Cyprus as a minority, and we are ready to forgive you for the immerse suffering you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island. You as Cypriot citizens can be 100% equal to every other Cypriot and as a Turkish community you can maintain your different language, religion and everything else that you want. What you can not do is to forcefully erase the history of our island just because you don't like it, and try to Turkify part of it by means of murder and ethnic cleansing. If you do that, then we will treat you as an enemy, and your destiny will be the same as the one of all the other foreign invadors that ruled our island against our will.


You know damn well that under the circumstances the vast majority of TCs will not trust to put their fates as a "minority" in our hands. I have personally saw the violent character and brutal face of the GC fanatics in the 60s and I tell you I was scared of them. Imagine a TC who did not just "see" those people.

The solution will be some sort of Federation or back to 1960 constitution BUT in both cases the TCs will administer themselves. Slowly slowly they will come to see the majority of us are not different than them, and are good people. The same will happen to us who think the Turks are nothing but "attilas" who did all those terrible things to us in 1974.

Please do not scare the TCs with what you know is their deepest fear.


that last line worries me a little Pyr. It sounds to me like you're afraid we'll let the cat out of the bag. DO you mean
1) there should be a more diplomatic way of pointing this out to the TC's
2) We shouldn't tell them about what we think is fair regarding one man one vote?
3) Or that we shouldn't say a thing till its too late for them.


Aise! An exartountan bou ton Pyro itan na mas kavaligepsoun boubano tsie na mas gamisoun tsiolas!
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Postby DT. » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:51 am

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Piratis wrote: You are welcome to stay in Cyprus as a minority, and we are ready to forgive you for the immerse suffering you have caused to us since the day you set your foot on our island. You as Cypriot citizens can be 100% equal to every other Cypriot and as a Turkish community you can maintain your different language, religion and everything else that you want. What you can not do is to forcefully erase the history of our island just because you don't like it, and try to Turkify part of it by means of murder and ethnic cleansing. If you do that, then we will treat you as an enemy, and your destiny will be the same as the one of all the other foreign invadors that ruled our island against our will.


You know damn well that under the circumstances the vast majority of TCs will not trust to put their fates as a "minority" in our hands. I have personally saw the violent character and brutal face of the GC fanatics in the 60s and I tell you I was scared of them. Imagine a TC who did not just "see" those people.

The solution will be some sort of Federation or back to 1960 constitution BUT in both cases the TCs will administer themselves. Slowly slowly they will come to see the majority of us are not different than them, and are good people. The same will happen to us who think the Turks are nothing but "attilas" who did all those terrible things to us in 1974.

Please do not scare the TCs with what you know is their deepest fear.


that last line worries me a little Pyr. It sounds to me like you're afraid we'll let the cat out of the bag. DO you mean
1) there should be a more diplomatic way of pointing this out to the TC's
2) We shouldn't tell them about what we think is fair regarding one man one vote?
3) Or that we shouldn't say a thing till its too late for them.


Aise! An exartountan bou ton Pyro itan na mas kavaligepsoun boubano tsie na mas gamisoun tsiolas!


epoushtepse tjai to poushtlikin.
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:04 pm

Stop the crap. Stop building your castles on sand. Climb down from the clouds and face the realities. Do you hear yourselves talking? Are we in the position to dictate the terms of peace (or war)? Have we become a superpower and I haven't realised it yet?

P.S. For the Greek readers here is something for you: http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... -V=columns
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:11 pm

I am afraid I am in contrast with all you guys.

For the Tcs being a minority in numbers does not mean there is no way to have a political status either through self administration inside the 1960 constitution or through a Federal structure, where the matter of minority/majority RULE does not have meaning anymore.

By all means I am not one of those ho wants to cheat the TCs. I want them to know exactly what they will have. I want them to feel secure for as long as it takes to pull our Country together as ONE NATION.

GR where have you seen me supporting the illigalities that currently go on? Where have you seen me supporting the law on which this area they called "trnc" is based? Everything in that law is illegal and racist against us.
I said it before it is the law that needs to be changed, not the self administration of TCs inside a Federal structure or 1960 constitution...

DT, not I did not mean we should talk to TCs diplomatically.I meant we should be able to understand that humans are first emotional then rational. There is too much emotion and fear of the average TC against us. There is only one way out. Whatever you say in here that we have the EU, there is no danger, we have the law, everything's changed is only for those who can overcome their fear and put rationality on top. The vast majority of people (not only the Tcs but the GCs too) are unable to do it. So what do you suggest?

It's like trying to convince a scared virgin to open her legs.She will never do it. You have to take her out for dinner, make her feel safe and happy, and then soon enough you won't be able to catch up :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

NB. Don't you guys even listen to even the conservative TCs in here? Don't they all ay what I said above? There must be a time period when the TCs will feel safe and responsible for this country, and this cannot happen just like that.
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