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[paaul12]

paaul12 wrote:
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losing patience with the EU efforts (or should we say lack of)


Any chance of telling us what u want the "EU efforts" to consist off?

Apart from giving papadop everything he wants of course.

It doesn't concern non Cypriots such as you .

Are you saying this is a “Cypriot” only forum?

That’s not very EU off you, what about Article 14 Human Rights, Discrimination, it is illegal to treat someone in a similar position differently?

When will u ever learn?

[Pyrpolizer]

What I said Kikapu was that Talat seems to be interested on getting direct trade at this point of time.

That’s obvious. But he is also betting on the recognition possibility as well. So nothing new upto here.

Talat has called upon Papadopoulos on numerous occasions for direct talks

Direct talks as you very well know are impossible to lead anywhere without data and work by technocrats. Direct talks can only lead to some high level agreement (very vague) like the ones we had before. To proceed forward you need data and you need technocrats. Papadopoulos never refused to meet with Talat assuming those technocrats pull themselves together and start doing work. Talat refuses. The reason????

but Papadopoulos evades the call by arguing that the key to the solution is held by Ankara.

Nonsense. What exactly Papadopoulos said is Talat got orders from Ankra to kill the technical comittees and insist on direct talks on the Anan plan only. This is nwhat he actually said about Ankara. You are distorting things.

It is plain obvious now that Papadopoulos does not want a solution based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation made up of two equal communities.

In your opinion of course. Not many will agree with you.

Thus, he is trying to buy time by trying to embark on a process that will take years (July 8 agreement) and has made this process his flagship.

Question 1)Why the 8th July agreement needs 8 years? Just because Talat says so?
Question2) what has Talat done to speed it up? Perhaps refuse to even incluude the property issue on?
Question 3)Why even the UN the EU and even KTOS ask Talat to proceed as per 8th July agreement?

Papadopoulos has managed to instill in many people his philosophy that the current situation is better than bizonal, bicommunal federation.

Wrong. The Annan Plan itself made people believe the current situation is better than the Annan Plan. The vast majority of people care about their own rights than the political rights and form of Federation. Call it BBF XZF if you like, if I am losing 2/3rds of my property I don’t care how you call it I will still vote no.

Hence, Talat is moving north Cyprus forward and the construction boom that is currently taking place in the north bears testament to this fact.

The constrcuction boom and the sale of GC properties en masse is a planned effort to cemment partition by making the solution absolutely impossible. Or if the Gcs ever accept to have nothing to gain.

Meanwhile, he has completely alienated the Greek Cypriots from the rest of the world and all those people that matter have basically switched alliance over the past 4.5 years and now favour the Turkish Cypriots and consider the Greek Cyupriots as the real culprits that hold back the solution process.

We saw how all those "friends" ever helped us. Tons of UN resolutions worth nothing, and which when the time came were all ignored thrown in the dustbin, (Anan Plan). We don’t need "friends". We need people who will lose if we lose. That’s why we are in the EU. And you better believe me, if we lose at least 250 million more will lose.Add to that the 80 million Turks.

[Piratis]

The realities may sound bitter however they are what they are and calling names to them won`t help you. There are certain conditions that have enforced the current circumstances. As I have said: Cyprus is partitioned because the Turkish Cypriots were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to the subjection of Cyprus to Greece (ENOSIS). Cyprus is partitioned because she was about to be handed over to Greece along with the TC community in it by a suicidal maniac in the name of Nicos Sampson. So again: get your facts straight.

But most importantly Cyprus is partitioned because the GC leadership is in the racist business of Hellenizing Cyprus. "Hellenizing Cyprus" is equal to "Unificiation of Cyprus" to them (and people like Piratis). They know that they can not achieve this if they abide by the solution guidelines as the U.N. points. Hellenizing Cyprus is the GC leadership`s top priority and they are not afraid to declare it publicly. Although a bi-communal, bi-zonal and state with two communities of equal political status is what the U.N. sets forth and although this is what the leadership of the two communities signed to in the 8hth of July Agreements the GC leadership is refusing to give up what it has been usurping illegally for 44 years. So the minute the the GC leadership stops their illegalties through theft and cease to be a threat for the security of the TCs in Cyprus, partition will end.

Murataga, Cyprus was "Hellenized" more than 3000 years ago. The fact that at some point you came and you started to butcher us by the 10000s doesn't change this, nor the fact that a Turkish minority exists in Cyprus as a result of the 300 years of your oppression against us changes the history of our island.

The funniest thing is a grant criminal thief of your kind accusing others of being thieves. You stole the homes and properties of 200.000 people and violate the sovereignty of an independent country, and you are so shameless you even dare to lie to accuse us!!!

[Murataga]

The realities may sound bitter however they are what they are and calling names to them won`t help you. There are certain conditions that have enforced the current circumstances. As I have said: Cyprus is partitioned because the Turkish Cypriots were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to the subjection of Cyprus to Greece (ENOSIS). Cyprus is partitioned because she was about to be handed over to Greece along with the TC community in it by a suicidal maniac in the name of Nicos Sampson. So again: get your facts straight.

But most importantly Cyprus is partitioned because the GC leadership is in the racist business of Hellenizing Cyprus. "Hellenizing Cyprus" is equal to "Unificiation of Cyprus" to them (and people like Piratis). They know that they can not achieve this if they abide by the solution guidelines as the U.N. points. Hellenizing Cyprus is the GC leadership`s top priority and they are not afraid to declare it publicly. Although a bi-communal, bi-zonal and state with two communities of equal political status is what the U.N. sets forth and although this is what the leadership of the two communities signed to in the 8hth of July Agreements the GC leadership is refusing to give up what it has been usurping illegally for 44 years. So the minute the the GC leadership stops their illegalties through theft and cease to be a threat for the security of the TCs in Cyprus, partition will end.

Murataga, Cyprus was "Hellenized" more than 3000 years ago. The fact that at some point you came and you started to butcher us by the 10000s doesn't change this, nor the fact that a Turkish minority exists in Cyprus as a result of the 300 years of your oppression against us changes the history of our island.

The funniest thing is a grant criminal thief of your kind accusing others of being thieves. You stole the homes and properties of 200.000 people and violate the sovereignty of an independent country, and you are so shameless you even dare to lie to accuse us!!!

Thanks alot for confirming me that your kind believes Cyprus is Hellenic and that you are in the business of making sure that it gets Hellenized. The fact that Cyprus is not Hellenic and that it is Cypriot with a seperate/unique Turkish and Greek identity is a fact that you at some point will have to cope with. In 1964 you violated the other community`s rightful existense as an equal and seperate political entitiy in the name of handing over Cyprus to Greece. In the name of this lunatic crusade TCs were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed. You have been given a good lesson that you can not and will not achieve ENOSIS; you learned your lesson (unfortunately the hard way) and now you can not even dare to talk about ENOSIS. Lesson number two is that you will not be allowed to Hellenize Cyprus. Hope you are fast learners.

[BirKibrisli]

while we keep bickering on about who did what to whom,and who suffered more and longer, our beloved mother,Cyprus,is being pillaged bit by bit...and sold off to the biggest,greedist,foreign entrepreneur...

Now that no stone has been left unturned in Kyrenia,and no olive and pine tree left standing in its original place,and large chanks ofBesparmak mountains gutted,the mindless developers have now turned their attention to the Karpaz region...Electricity is being installed now to parts of Karpaz that were the last bits of wilderness that remained,and you don't have to be a genious to see where this is going to lead...Who,for god's sake, is going to come and utilise these monstrocities???? How will these investors ever get their money back??? Why on earth are they allowed to committ such acts of senseless vandalism against nature,against their motherland's best interests,and against international law????

Pox on all their houses,I say...May they all rot in hell for their crimes against nature and humanity...

[Pyrpolizer]

In 1964 you violated the other community`s rightful existense as an equal and seperate political entitiy in the name of handing over Cyprus to Greece.

While at the same time you violated the same things in the name of handling half of Cyprus to Turkey as it proved from the maps and classified documents found at the TC minister of Agriculture office.

In the name of this lunatic crusade TCs were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed.

In the name of this lunatic cause for Taksim, you were the very first to start the biccomunal bloodshed from as early as 1958 when you slaughtered GCs at Kontemenos village.You abandoned the Government and you created a state within a state by forming enclaves and pushing your people in. The very first enclave the Kionelli enclave was prepared by Kutchuk from day one that the Republic was born by purchasing massively land north of Nicosia upto kionelli, using the money he got from the British in settlement of TC properties in Famagusta. The state within a state situation that your leadership planned had catastrophic effects on your own community. The first you helped your taksimists in pushing your people in enclaves were the GC fanatics.

You have been given a good lesson that you can not and will not achieve ENOSIS; you learned your lesson (unfortunately the hard way) and now you can not even dare to talk about ENOSIS. Lesson number two is that you will not be allowed to Hellenize Cyprus. Hope you are fast learners

You were given a lesson that you cannot take part of Cyprus and walk away with your taksim dreams, and you are paying the consequences for 30+ years. Yes we lost our homes and lands but at least we recovered and made up. When are you going to recover and how will you ever make up? Lesson number two is already been taught to you by settlers. Hope you don’t learn your third lesson somewhere in New Turkish Cyprus neighbourhood somewhere in England.

Consider all the above complimentary (not invalidating) your arguments. Hope my reply helps you get off the blinkers you are wearing and see the whole picture around you.

[Pyrpolizer]

Who,for god's sake, is going to come and utilise these monstrocities?

Who Birkibrisli gardash? I ‘ve seen the pictures of T_C and I was always wondering. These investments seem unreasonable without having secured a rich chunk of tourists that would pay for them.

[DT.]

The realities may sound bitter however they are what they are and calling names to them won`t help you. There are certain conditions that have enforced the current circumstances. As I have said: Cyprus is partitioned because the Turkish Cypriots were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to the subjection of Cyprus to Greece (ENOSIS). Cyprus is partitioned because she was about to be handed over to Greece along with the TC community in it by a suicidal maniac in the name of Nicos Sampson. So again: get your facts straight.

But most importantly Cyprus is partitioned because the GC leadership is in the racist business of Hellenizing Cyprus. "Hellenizing Cyprus" is equal to "Unificiation of Cyprus" to them (and people like Piratis). They know that they can not achieve this if they abide by the solution guidelines as the U.N. points. Hellenizing Cyprus is the GC leadership`s top priority and they are not afraid to declare it publicly. Although a bi-communal, bi-zonal and state with two communities of equal political status is what the U.N. sets forth and although this is what the leadership of the two communities signed to in the 8hth of July Agreements the GC leadership is refusing to give up what it has been usurping illegally for 44 years. So the minute the the GC leadership stops their illegalties through theft and cease to be a threat for the security of the TCs in Cyprus, partition will end.

Murataga, Cyprus was "Hellenized" more than 3000 years ago. The fact that at some point you came and you started to butcher us by the 10000s doesn't change this, nor the fact that a Turkish minority exists in Cyprus as a result of the 300 years of your oppression against us changes the history of our island.

The funniest thing is a grant criminal thief of your kind accusing others of being thieves. You stole the homes and properties of 200.000 people and violate the sovereignty of an independent country, and you are so shameless you even dare to lie to accuse us!!!

Thanks alot for confirming me that your kind believes Cyprus is Hellenic and that you are in the business of making sure that it gets Hellenized. The fact that Cyprus is not Hellenic and that it is Cypriot with a seperate/unique Turkish and Greek identity is a fact that you at some point will have to cope with. In 1964 you violated the other community`s rightful existense as an equal and seperate political entitiy in the name of handing over Cyprus to Greece. In the name of this lunatic crusade TCs were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed. You have been given a good lesson that you can not and will not achieve ENOSIS; you learned your lesson (unfortunately the hard way) and now you can not even dare to talk about ENOSIS. Lesson number two is that you will not be allowed to Hellenize Cyprus. Hope you are fast learners.

I'm just amazed that Murataga managed to post something without using the word "usurping"!!!!!

[BirKibrisli]

Who,for god's sake, is going to come and utilise these monstrocities?

Who Birkibrisli gardash? I ‘ve seen the pictures of T_C and I was always wondering. These investments seem unreasonable without having secured a rich chunk of tourists that would pay for them.

I am totally bewildered....As far as I know most hotels in the North are running at around 30% capacity....How do they keep them going....They can't all be operating casinos or brothels.....It defies all economic logic...but again most things in the trnc defies logic....

[Kikapu]

Who,for god's sake, is going to come and utilise these monstrocities?

Who Birkibrisli gardash? I ‘ve seen the pictures of T_C and I was always wondering. These investments seem unreasonable without having secured a rich chunk of tourists that would pay for them.

These large hotel complexes very much resemble of all the huge hotels that are in Turkey near Antalya, "Aksu" to be more precise. They have huge hotels such as "Topkapi", "Kremlin", "Titanic" and many more, which each one is built to resemble the name. I do not believe these projects have anything to do with the local TC's in the "TRNC".

It is a bit like all the huge hotels that are and have been built in Las Vegas. They are attractive looking, but at the same time, it has become more like "Disneyland Attractions". It appears that's the direction these huge hotels in the "TRNC" are heading, which is not very conducive to the general settings of the island. In short, they will become an "eye sore" to the locals, after the novelty wears off.