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[Bananiot]

What I said Kikapu was that Talat seems to be interested on getting direct trade at this point of time. I would probably do the same thing if I were in his shoes. Talat has called upon Papadopoulos on numerous occasions for direct talks but Papadopoulos evades the call by arguing that the key to the solution is held by Ankara. It is plain obvious now that Papadopoulos does not want a solution based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation made up of two equal communities. Thus, he is trying to buy time by trying to embark on a process that will take years (July 8 agreement) and has made this process his flagship. Probably AKEL has by now realised what a huge mistake they made by elevating the most rejectionist and nationalist politician to the top spot. It looks, however that Papadopoulos will stay with us for another 5 years, until 2013, by which time partition will be a reality of course. Talat knows this only too well and he will not be waiting for us to change things especially because Papadopoulos has managed to instill in many people his philosophy that the current situation is better than bizonal, bicommunal federation. Hence, Talat is moving north Cyprus forward and the construction boom that is currently taking place in the north bears testament to this fact. Meanwhile, he has completely alienated the Greek Cypriots from the rest of the world and all those people that matter have basically switched alliance over the past 4.5 years and now favour the Turkish Cypriots and consider the Greek Cyupriots as the real culprits that hold back the solution process.

This is the greatest achievement of Papadopoulos.

[Kikapu]

What I said Kikapu was that Talat seems to be interested on getting direct trade at this point of time. I would probably do the same thing if I were in his shoes. Talat has called upon Papadopoulos on numerous occasions for direct talks but Papadopoulos evades the call by arguing that the key to the solution is held by Ankara. It is plain obvious now that Papadopoulos does not want a solution based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation made up of two equal communities. Thus, he is trying to buy time by trying to embark on a process that will take years (July 8 agreement) and has made this process his flagship. Probably AKEL has by now realised what a huge mistake they made by elevating the most rejectionist and nationalist politician to the top spot. It looks, however that Papadopoulos will stay with us for another 5 years, until 2013, by which time partition will be a reality of course. Talat knows this only too well and he will not be waiting for us to change things especially because Papadopoulos has managed to instill in many people his philosophy that the current situation is better than bizonal, bicommunal federation. Hence, Talat is moving north Cyprus forward and the construction boom that is currently taking place in the north bears testament to this fact. Meanwhile, he has completely alienated the Greek Cypriots from the rest of the world and all those people that matter have basically switched alliance over the past 4.5 years and now favour the Turkish Cypriots and consider the Greek Cyupriots as the real culprits that hold back the solution process.

This is the greatest achievement of Papadopoulos.

Thanks for the explanation Bananiot. Your last post to me was literally just one sentence or two, so I just repeated what you said, although you did say "Direct Trade" and not "Recognition". Means the same thing more or less, I guess.

Thanks again for the explanation on how things stand between the two communities.

[T_C]

Construction boom is an understatement!!!!!!!!!

İ saw the new 'Artemis Hotel' near Karpaz the other day

İts HUUUUUUUUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (and İ mean HHHUUUUUUUUGGEEEEE). İts a reconstruction of the Arthemis Temple and its just WOW! I still cant get over how big it is....





They're also starting to build another hotel, and its going to be a remake of the Collosseum building. I saw the plans for it and that looks as though its going to be MASSİVE too.

It seems as though buildings are going up over night....

[Piratis]

This article would appear to bolster the argument that some countries are perhaps losing patience with the EU efforts (or should we say lack of) to find a solution to the current stalemate in Cyprus.

If I read this correctly, is it only a matter of time before the TRNC starts getting recognised ?

So what EU should do? Send her troops to throw the Turkish army out of the Cyprus/EU soil and reunite Cyprus?

Because it is the Turks that enforce partition illegally, by violating the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and disregarding UN resolutions calling for the immediate withdrawal of their troops from our country. So how can the EU or anybody else be responsible because Turks commit crimes and illegalities?

It is very funny when Zan, VP and some others come here day and night to promote partition and their "trnc", and then they accuse EU and the Greek Cypriots because Cyprus is not united

Cyprus is partitioned because Turks want it partitioned and the rest are either unable or unwilling to force Turkey to do otherwise. So if there is one that should be loosing patient these are us, because our lands continue to be illegally occupied.

And then those that want and illegally enforce partition come here to blame us and EU.

Cyprus is partitioned because the Turkish Cypriots were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to the subjection of Cyprus to Greece (ENOSIS). Cyprus is partitioned because she was about to be handed over to Greece along with the TC community in it by a suicidal maniac in the name of Nicos Sampson. Get your facts straight. For 44 years our rights have been usurped by the GC administration and the world has turned a blind eye to this. If the EU or the world is ever going to act against illegality and injustice they should start by attacking the 35000-soldier National Guard to secure the lives of the TCs and compensate what has been stolen from and used against us us for 44 years. The false accusation that the GC community is the “RoC" is illegal in law and untrue in reality. Political interests do not change facts.

We heard your lame excuses a million times. You came to Cyprus uninvited killing 10s of thousands of people, and you continue with crimes and illegalities against us since, and then you come here trying to present the Turks as the victims by exaggerating your losses which are a drop in the ocean compared to the massive crimes you committed and you continue to commit against us.

In any case my post was not about why you want partition it was about the fact that you want it and that you will accept nothing else except from partition.

At the moment it seems as though the current status quo will continue indefinately. And then what ? What happens when recognition of the TRNC starts, first by one country, then another, then some more again. Isn't it just a matter of time that this leads to permanent partition ?

Those thoughts exist only in the dreams of Zan VP and Murataga. The "trnc" is an illegal entity forcefully created by means of murder and ethnic cleansing on land that belongs to Republic of Cyprus (and where most private land belongs to Greek Cypriots). So keep dreaming that this illegal pseudo state will be legalized.

I'm not personally aportioning blame to the EU/UN/GC/TC/anyone - all I'm saying is it seems that from afar (I'm in the UK) nothing positive is happening (or seen to be happening) to try and resolve this issue. Both sides carry on as though everything is rosy........without talking/negotiating, what can be achieved ?

I repeat: Nothing is happening and nothing will happen because Turks want partition. This will not change with talking and negotiations regardless if we negotiate for 1 year or 10 years. It is like telling me that if we keep talking to Murataga and Zan after some time they will stop to want partition and they will accept unification. Isn't it naive to believe something like that?

[Viewpoint]

What I said Kikapu was that Talat seems to be interested on getting direct trade at this point of time. I would probably do the same thing if I were in his shoes. Talat has called upon Papadopoulos on numerous occasions for direct talks but Papadopoulos evades the call by arguing that the key to the solution is held by Ankara. It is plain obvious now that Papadopoulos does not want a solution based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation made up of two equal communities. Thus, he is trying to buy time by trying to embark on a process that will take years (July 8 agreement) and has made this process his flagship. Probably AKEL has by now realised what a huge mistake they made by elevating the most rejectionist and nationalist politician to the top spot. It looks, however that Papadopoulos will stay with us for another 5 years, until 2013, by which time partition will be a reality of course. Talat knows this only too well and he will not be waiting for us to change things especially because Papadopoulos has managed to instill in many people his philosophy that the current situation is better than bizonal, bicommunal federation. Hence, Talat is moving north Cyprus forward and the construction boom that is currently taking place in the north bears testament to this fact. Meanwhile, he has completely alienated the Greek Cypriots from the rest of the world and all those people that matter have basically switched alliance over the past 4.5 years and now favour the Turkish Cypriots and consider the Greek Cyupriots as the real culprits that hold back the solution process.

This is the greatest achievement of Papadopoulos.

Thank you Bananiot, you restore my faith in people with common sense who are very far and few between on this forum, you see and understand the truth, stating clearly exactly how it is without biased, unlike others who claim to know all but know nothing.

[Piratis]

This must be the most kitsch building I have ever seen.

We would appreciate it if when building on our land they would build something better so we would not need to demolish it when we get back our lands.

[T_C]

Thats a picture of it while it was still being built....and its the biggest hotel on the island....

And its a GREEK building Piratis...

[Viewpoint]

This must be the most kitsch building I have ever seen.

We would appreciate it if when building on our land they would build something better so we would not need to demolish it when we get back our lands.

Sounds like sour grapes Piratis, there are another 4 large scale hotel projects in the same area where some of the best beaches on the island are. The investment will continue with or without a solution but as you say when you get that swing of power you can knock them all down unless we get recognition first..the choice is yours.

[miltiades]

losing patience with the EU efforts (or should we say lack of)

Any chance of telling us what u want the "EU efforts" to consist off?

Apart from giving papadop everything he wants of course.

It doesn't concern non Cypriots such as you .

[Murataga]

This article would appear to bolster the argument that some countries are perhaps losing patience with the EU efforts (or should we say lack of) to find a solution to the current stalemate in Cyprus.

If I read this correctly, is it only a matter of time before the TRNC starts getting recognised ?

So what EU should do? Send her troops to throw the Turkish army out of the Cyprus/EU soil and reunite Cyprus?

Because it is the Turks that enforce partition illegally, by violating the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and disregarding UN resolutions calling for the immediate withdrawal of their troops from our country. So how can the EU or anybody else be responsible because Turks commit crimes and illegalities?

It is very funny when Zan, VP and some others come here day and night to promote partition and their "trnc", and then they accuse EU and the Greek Cypriots because Cyprus is not united

Cyprus is partitioned because Turks want it partitioned and the rest are either unable or unwilling to force Turkey to do otherwise. So if there is one that should be loosing patient these are us, because our lands continue to be illegally occupied.

And then those that want and illegally enforce partition come here to blame us and EU.

Cyprus is partitioned because the Turkish Cypriots were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to the subjection of Cyprus to Greece (ENOSIS). Cyprus is partitioned because she was about to be handed over to Greece along with the TC community in it by a suicidal maniac in the name of Nicos Sampson. Get your facts straight. For 44 years our rights have been usurped by the GC administration and the world has turned a blind eye to this. If the EU or the world is ever going to act against illegality and injustice they should start by attacking the 35000-soldier National Guard to secure the lives of the TCs and compensate what has been stolen from and used against us us for 44 years. The false accusation that the GC community is the “RoC" is illegal in law and untrue in reality. Political interests do not change facts.

We heard your lame excuses a million times. You came to Cyprus uninvited killing 10s of thousands of people, and you continue with crimes and illegalities against us since, and then you come here trying to present the Turks as the victims by exaggerating your losses which are a drop in the ocean compared to the massive crimes you committed and you continue to commit against us.

In any case my post was not about why you want partition it was about the fact that you want it and that you will accept nothing else except from partition.

At the moment it seems as though the current status quo will continue indefinately. And then what ? What happens when recognition of the TRNC starts, first by one country, then another, then some more again. Isn't it just a matter of time that this leads to permanent partition ?

Those thoughts exist only in the dreams of Zan VP and Murataga. The "trnc" is an illegal entity forcefully created by means of murder and ethnic cleansing on land that belongs to Republic of Cyprus (and where most private land belongs to Greek Cypriots). So keep dreaming that this illegal pseudo state will be legalized.

I'm not personally aportioning blame to the EU/UN/GC/TC/anyone - all I'm saying is it seems that from afar (I'm in the UK) nothing positive is happening (or seen to be happening) to try and resolve this issue. Both sides carry on as though everything is rosy........without talking/negotiating, what can be achieved ?

I repeat: Nothing is happening and nothing will happen because Turks want partition. This will not change with talking and negotiations regardless if we negotiate for 1 year or 10 years. It is like telling me that if we keep talking to Murataga and Zan after some time they will stop to want partition and they will accept unification. Isn't it naive to believe something like that?

The realities may sound bitter however they are what they are and calling names to them won`t help you. There are certain conditions that have enforced the current circumstances. As I have said: Cyprus is partitioned because the Turkish Cypriots were attacked, murdered, ejected from the government, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to the subjection of Cyprus to Greece (ENOSIS). Cyprus is partitioned because she was about to be handed over to Greece along with the TC community in it by a suicidal maniac in the name of Nicos Sampson. So again: get your facts straight.

But most importantly Cyprus is partitioned because the GC leadership is in the racist business of Hellenizing Cyprus. "Hellenizing Cyprus" is equal to "Unificiation of Cyprus" to them (and people like Piratis). They know that they can not achieve this if they abide by the solution guidelines as the U.N. points. Hellenizing Cyprus is the GC leadership`s top priority and they are not afraid to declare it publicly. Although a bi-communal, bi-zonal and state with two communities of equal political status is what the U.N. sets forth and although this is what the leadership of the two communities signed to in the 8hth of July Agreements the GC leadership is refusing to give up what it has been usurping illegally for 44 years. So the minute the the GC leadership stops their illegalties through theft and cease to be a threat for the security of the TCs in Cyprus, partition will end.