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[zan]

Zan Wrote:
"""""""Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence. """"""

You are right in one respect that I do not have the right to talk on behalf of all the TCs but as I have had contact from many and they have congratulated me and asked me to keep up the good work that I have chosen to take up on my own, then I feel that I have a duty to them to carry on. Some things are worth fighting for Miltiades and until these people tell me to stop I am here till I drop. Believe me that the work I do is because of love for my people and the injustice I see every day coming out of the "RoC" towards them. No my friend, you have more to worry about than a man that is being paid to do a half hearted job for the sake of it. I run on belief and need and no amount of money would cover that. When I see that the "RoC" works for all the people on Cyprus and sees the real difficulties faced by all and not the people that put them in power then all my energies will be with the Cyprus that that will produce. You have my word on that. """

Firstly let me deal with that word "intransigence "The definition of this misused word is quite varied with different meanings. It mainly means resistance , opposition , refusal and can also mean support. My intransigent position when it comes to one Cyprus for one people is well documented on this forum. My intransigent opposition to the division of our island and the annexation of a part of our island to a foreign nation is also well posted . My intransigent stand on resisting efforts by the occupying powers to have their occupation dismissed by the international community and to obtain recognition is also well known. My intransigent position that Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , that Cyprus IS NOT a Greek Island is also well posted , even you must be aware of my numerous arguments and confrontations with many from the G/C side. Am I intransigent when it comes to above values , you bet Im brother , and brother Cypriot you are whether you like it or not , you were born next to me a few miles away on this island that you consider your birth country just as I DO.

Your fighting with other GCs has always looked as if you are trying to cover up the truth of how people in the south feel Miltiades. What ever you think of me I have my ear to the ground. There is not much that gets past me and my ability to put two and two together is unsurpassed I have seen the changes on the forum with many GC members. The tricks go on. Kifeas and GR are prime examples. The attacks they use to make and the honesty they exhibited has gone. They are now playing a game of not sounding out how they really feel because it makes the south look bad. We are not idiots Miltiades and they are making a grave mistake in thinking we are. They even think that the rest of the world is still falling for their tricks but every one is wised up to what is going on. The OXI on the Annan Plan has been your undoing. Even Piratis has had a muzzle put on him lately because we have shot down lie after lie of what is going on and the attempt now is that we will not be given a platform in which we can tell our story. That in turn will prompt us to play games and the whole thing will escalate from there. Every GC that has come on and prompted anything like a conversation about the past has quickly been silenced. Does this ring any bells with the past by any chance because the ones that have gone off in my head are deafening. I will give you the benefit of the doubt as to your intentions but none of that changes these facts and many more about what is going on. Every TC that has been writing on this forum is so fed up that some of them are not even writing anymore. It was only with pleading from me to VP that he is still here and so he should be. The games go on and the R'C" still goes on despite its tricking its way to where it is today. No matter what is going on in the TRNC/KKTC we will not be a partner in such a disgraceful organisation that does not cater for us. Refine your product and we might want to reconsider our position.

[zan]

Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence.

In the day of the internet and online radio and newspapers,you don't have to have direct personal contact to know what is going on in trnc,Zan...I might be thousands of miles away,but TRT radios and Bayrak Radios and all the others,plus Kibris,Yeni duzen,Halkin Sesi,Afrika etc newspapers are just a few clicks away,and I read and listen to them every day....In fact I am listening to TRT FM as we speak... hele nenni de nenni de nenni ni de nenni/ goturun yara beni.... nice turku (folksong)....try it sometimes....
In fact,i'd say i know more about what really goes on in trnc then the ordinary people who live there with their compulsory blinkers on...

By the way,do you mind expanding on what you said above...It is not clear who thinks what about whose intransigence...I don't want miltiades to get the wrong idea...so please explain...

So the man who reads about surgery is more advanced than the Dr who performs operations everyday...please even you cant convince us this is the case...You need to come to the TRNC and sit with us and live breath the TRNC and then reasses your opinions about the situation. If you have not been to the GC south either you should also go there and talk with those and see the differnce then your opinions would be more healthy and respected by people.

No the doctor analogy is not right,VP...When it comes to measuring the political and social heartbeat,the professional journalist and television current affairs producer will always be miles ahead, with today's technology ,than the man in the street...But,like Zan,you probably don't believe I have any expertise in anything either,so I am wasting my breath...But in any case i do look forward to visiting Cyprus in the earliest opportunity to see things for myself...and i promise you i will be objective about my assessment of the situation...

Bir 15 years ago I was just like you, full of hope and tollerence but having moved home and lived with TCs in the TRNC on a daily basis seeing first hand the injustices imposed by the unwaverng "European" south has hardened my views and although I subscribe to the belief that we are all humans I will not surrender as easily as you...I want safeguards and guarantees, if GCs feel that these are not necessary has they have no bad intentions towards their TCs brothers then why are they so afraid of providing them? this generates suspicion and great mistrust. Just take a few minutes to think about it..I hope you will have the opportunity to see the TCs in their own environment at work and at play you will be proud how they have survived against all odds, even our dialect and warmness will touch your heart and make you ask the question do these people deserve to be isolated or face GC domination..all we want is to rule ourselves in our own environment, this is not to much to ask for. If this island belongs to all of us then the 2 sides should be made equal and the people from those 2 sides allowed to choose where they wish to live, play grow and prosper. If in time trust and cooperation thrives then the border will automatically disappear...that is my dream.

What a great idea and an insight to where we have been going wrong. We should all control other countries, that we have not been to for 50 years, from thousands of miles away with reports from the media. I wonder what the Australians wopuld make of the UK if they read it in the sun. OH! I forgot the sun is owned by an Australian.

[miltiades]

Zan , you are failing miserably to address the fact that this part of Cyprus is under Turkish occupation with some 40 thousand troops. You have made a pathetic effort to denigrate those of us , G/Cs and T/Cs that speak with a tongue of love and forgiveness and both you and the Viper have come down like a ton of bricks on anyT/C that dares to see things for what they are. My numerous " fights " with G/Cs were not as you so naively say a cover up for the truth but as a result of my intransigence when it comes for the definition of Cyprus and the its' people. The fact that deep down you do consider me to be genuine in all that I say as far as Cyprus is concerned has become a bone of contention for you and the VP, because my actions and words are not compatible with your warped interpretation of the G/Cs. Deep down you , I believe have an admiration for a Cypriot that speaks his mind and has as a result come under attack as a result of his views. The fact that I can say publicly that my people are your people and the Turkish Cypriots are closer to me than those from other lands is in itself a testimony to where I stand. Bir , as all know , has my utmost respect not only as a Cypriot but as man that although provoked , recently by you calling him a kangaroo shagger !!! , has retained his enviable composure and refrained from responding to you in kind. A virtue that I , alas , do not profess to posses.
You know on many occasions I posted that my dream is to see a T/C as the President of Cyprus as it would spell the end of conflict and just as in the UK we will have a Scot as Prime Minister from Thursday next , why not a party in Cyprus embracing all Cypriots with Birkibrisly at the helm !!

Zan , I wish to say to you that I do on occasions loose my cool when faced with what I see as an attack on the Island of Cyprus and it's people , whether such an attack comes from you , or anyone else. I have not one gram of malice against you and should we meet I will embrace you as my Cypriot compatriot .

[zan]

Zan , you are failing miserably to address the fact that this part of Cyprus is under Turkish occupation with some 40 thousand troops. You have made a pathetic effort to denigrate those of us , G/Cs and T/Cs that speak with a tongue of love and forgiveness and both you and the Viper have come down like a ton of bricks on anyT/C that dares to see things for what they are. My numerous " fights " with G/Cs were not as you so naively say a cover up for the truth but as a result of my intransigence when it comes for the definition of Cyprus and the its' people. The fact that deep down you do consider me to be genuine in all that I say as far as Cyprus is concerned has become a bone of contention for you and the VP, because my actions and words are not compatible with your warped interpretation of the G/Cs. Deep down you , I believe have an admiration for a Cypriot that speaks his mind and has as a result come under attack as a result of his views. The fact that I can say publicly that my people are your people and the Turkish Cypriots are closer to me than those from other lands is in itself a testimony to where I stand. Bir , as all know , has my utmost respect not only as a Cypriot but as man that although provoked , recently by you calling him a kangaroo shagger !!! , has retained his enviable composure and refrained from responding to you in kind. A virtue that I , alas , do not profess to posses.
You know on many occasions I posted that my dream is to see a T/C as the President of Cyprus as it would spell the end of conflict and just as in the UK we will have a Scot as Prime Minister from Thursday next , why not a party in Cyprus embracing all Cypriots with Birkibrisly at the helm !!

Zan , I wish to say to you that I do on occasions loose my cool when faced with what I see as an attack on the Island of Cyprus and it's people , whether such an attack comes from you , or anyone else. I have not one gram of malice against you and should we meet I will embrace you as my Cypriot compatriot .

First of all I think you give to much credit to the way that Bir has conducted him self. We have been talking for a long time now and he has always had my respect for the way he has conducted himself until recently. My heroes have to be faultless and he has proved to be nothing but a 'Muddle" (Human = Harry Potter) like me and that is a disappointment on it's own. He has told a fellow TC that he would not piss on him if he was on fire and called me a psychotic mess. He has lost his temper many times and used many profanities and I have had to rip his picture from my wall in disgust.


My feelings for your Cypriotness is not deep down or secret Miltiades and if you really are genuine then more power to your elbow but I have a massive problem with the product you are trying to sell me. Get your foot out of my door...I don't want it. My united Cyprus looks nothing like what you are waving in my face. My money is there waiting for the right product and if you can supply me with what I think is a more appropriate item then I will recommend you to my friends. All the salesmen on this board keep telling me is that it is better than what I have already got and it is not. The salesmen have been sold to by another salesman. I went to one of those meetings once when I was out of work to become a salesman and I lasted half an hour before I walked out. I cannot sell something that I do not believe in or trust. This is not rocket science it is so so simple.

[miltiades]

You are confused Zan . No one is selling and no one is byuing. Human respect and dignity is not a bazaar .You fail to acknowledge that 200 thousand Cypriots have been made refugees in their own country.Their homes sold off to foreign investors , 500 or so of their Churches denigrated , the names of their towns and villages Turkified , their ancestral homes under the occupation of a foreign nation.This is what the international community's interpretation is.

[zan]

You are confused Zan . No one is selling and no one is byuing. Human respect and dignity is not a bazaar .You fail to acknowledge that 200 thousand Cypriots have been made refugees in their own country.Their homes sold off to foreign investors , 500 or so of their Churches denigrated , the names of their towns and villages Turkified , their ancestral homes under the occupation of a foreign nation.This is what the international community's interpretation is.

That is what the international community has been made to believe which is something completly different. Wrongs have to be put right Miltiades and if you want to make me move out of my house because the courts have got it all wrong and you know that as a fact then you are evn more guilty than before. They have got it wrong before and probably will again and I will not lay down and take it.

You fail to realise that we were and still are being held under siege by an offensive that tyou keep telling me no longer exists when everything that happens and has happened since before the republic was set up says something different.

[Viewpoint]

You are confused Zan . No one is selling and no one is byuing. Human respect and dignity is not a bazaar .You fail to acknowledge that 200 thousand Cypriots have been made refugees in their own country.Their homes sold off to foreign investors , 500 or so of their Churches denigrated , the names of their towns and villages Turkified , their ancestral homes under the occupation of a foreign nation.This is what the international community's interpretation is.

Its you thats deluding yourself, zan refersto you trying to sell us the pseduo "RoC" as faulty goods, those that accept can move south tomorrow, no one is stoping them. Think of the current situation as a safeguard against GC domination and agreesion if it makes you feel better and until a time that both sides can agree on a solution the last of which was rejected by no other than yourselves.

[miltiades]

You are confused Zan . No one is selling and no one is byuing. Human respect and dignity is not a bazaar .You fail to acknowledge that 200 thousand Cypriots have been made refugees in their own country.Their homes sold off to foreign investors , 500 or so of their Churches denigrated , the names of their towns and villages Turkified , their ancestral homes under the occupation of a foreign nation.This is what the international community's interpretation is.

Its you thats deluding yourself, zan refersto you trying to sell us the pseduo "RoC" as faulty goods, those that accept can move south tomorrow, no one is stoping them. Think of the current situation as a safeguard against GC domination and agreesion if it makes you feel better and until a time that both sides can agree on a solution the last of which was rejected by no other than yourselves.

And apart from you and the occupying country , who else in the ENTIRE world considers Cyprus to be a "pseudo state " Yet again with your mentality you could argue that the earth is flat and that the moon is the Sun and the sun just a figment of our imagination. Did you know that Cyprus is one of the 25 EU members and that it is also recognised as the only CYPRUS ?? This is what gets up my nose , people like you and Zan steadfastly posting crap on the legality of the RoC , SO THEREFORE ALL THE WORLD IS SPONSORING AN ILLEGAL STATE !!! Grow up , get your nose out of Turkey's arse and smell the fresh air.

[Kikapu]

Did you know that Cyprus is one of the 25 EU members and that it is also recognised as the only CYPRUS ?? .

Miltiades, let me the first to tell you, that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

There are 27 EU Member States.

[Viewpoint]

You are confused Zan . No one is selling and no one is byuing. Human respect and dignity is not a bazaar .You fail to acknowledge that 200 thousand Cypriots have been made refugees in their own country.Their homes sold off to foreign investors , 500 or so of their Churches denigrated , the names of their towns and villages Turkified , their ancestral homes under the occupation of a foreign nation.This is what the international community's interpretation is.

Its you thats deluding yourself, zan refersto you trying to sell us the pseduo "RoC" as faulty goods, those that accept can move south tomorrow, no one is stoping them. Think of the current situation as a safeguard against GC domination and agreesion if it makes you feel better and until a time that both sides can agree on a solution the last of which was rejected by no other than yourselves.

And apart from you and the occupying country , who else in the ENTIRE world considers Cyprus to be a "pseudo state " Yet again with your mentality you could argue that the earth is flat and that the moon is the Sun and the sun just a figment of our imagination. Did you know that Cyprus is one of the 25 EU members and that it is also recognised as the only CYPRUS ?? This is what gets up my nose , people like you and Zan steadfastly posting crap on the legality of the RoC , SO THEREFORE ALL THE WORLD IS SPONSORING AN ILLEGAL STATE !!! Grow up , get your nose out of Turkey's arse and smell the fresh air.

Who matters here? if not us then go agree unification with those states that recognize you...can you?