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[zan]

Here we go again Another man comes along that lives in Cyprus and he is wrong and a kangaroo-shagging expert in all things is right. You are an arrogant arsehole my friend and your propaganda is getting very tiresome. Keep on dismissing our fears from thousands of miles away. I am sure that the books and the reports you have read are the same ones that we have all read but you seem to be the only one that has understood anything.
I know what...I was kicked by a horse once and I will take your advice and go see the same horse and I will have no fear. I will not listen to my feelings that have taken millions of years to perfect and I will listen to you and of course the horse that is beckoning me closer and if I get kicked again you can say you are sorry and we can try again and again. What a complete prat you are turning out to be. It is all right for the Greeks and you for that matter to use centuries of Turkish behaviour to pigeon hole them but when we do it it is wrong because your Greek brothers are better than us. What a whally!!!!

You are either the biggest conman on this forum or a complete fool mate and your credibility has gone.

I am sorry that you feel that way,Zan...I am not a conman,so according to your logic I must be a complete fool...And fools do not worry about their credibility...Only wise and honourable people like yourself do...

That explains the state of bliss you are in. I am sorry for the outburst but you are dismissing people on site and that is really getting up my nose. It is arrogant and counter productive. We cannot all be wrong. The laws of reason do not allow that in any instance.

Yes indeed Zombie , what a wally you are !! Bir is an honourable man , in fact he is the only one on this forum that has never used vile language as you and I have done as well as the chief of them all VP.
He has dignity and wisdom and you are full of shit and yet you have the audacity to call him a fool !! look at yourself in the mirror and you will see a monster of a human , a man hell bent on destroying the future of our future Cypriot generations , Bir is an honourable intelligent and wise man and you are a tin pot little fascist with hatred coming out of your mouth in bucket loads .
What right do you have to speak on behalf of the T/Cs , by using sentences such as this """"because your Greek brothers are better than us. """" What " us "mate you and VP and a few others , cause you sure aint talking on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots , You hardly know them !!
From a scale of 1 to a 100 , on integrity and self respect Bir scores 100 and you score a big fat Zero.

Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence.

You are right in one respect that I do not have the right to talk on behalf of all the TCs but as I have had contact from many and they have congratulated me and asked me to keep up the good work that I have chosen to take up on my own, then I feel that I have a duty to them to carry on. Some things are worth fighting for Miltiades and until these people tell me to stop I am here till I drop. Believe me that the work I do is because of love for my people and the injustice I see every day coming out of the "RoC" towards them. No my friend, you have more to worry about than a man that is being paid to do a half hearted job for the sake of it. I run on belief and need and no amount of money would cover that. When I see that the "RoC" works for all the people on Cyprus and sees the real difficulties faced by all and not the people that put them in power then all my energies will be with the Cyprus that that will produce. You have my word on that.

[Pyrpolizer]

@Pyrpolizer-

So let me get this straight... You write two consecutive posts where in one you mention:

his authority and power is near ZERO and in no case the fate of TCs will be in his hands

for the president of the RoC and in the one right after that:

his job is to protect the interests of both the GCs and TCs

A man is responsible for the protection of the interests of a community and you say he has no say in the fate of that community ? To top it all off you preach about:

faulty axioms and fallacious sophistries

Now I am really having fun

Murataga stop playing with words and splitting hair.
You know very well the authority of the president of RoC is just to preside a council of Ministers.He CANNOT TAKE decisions by himself and he cannot make laws. Furthermore the decisions the Council of Ministers take are not such that affect any citizen separately. One example is their recent decision for the natural gaz. This is the context in which I said he protects the interests of both communities. (Would I be clearer if I said his job is to protect the interests of the State?)
And this is the context in which I said it is unconstitutional to negotiate the Cyprob on behalf of the GCs.

[BirKibrisli]

Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence.

In the day of the internet and online radio and newspapers,you don't have to have direct personal contact to know what is going on in trnc,Zan...I might be thousands of miles away,but TRT radios and Bayrak Radios and all the others,plus Kibris,Yeni duzen,Halkin Sesi,Afrika etc newspapers are just a few clicks away,and I read and listen to them every day....In fact I am listening to TRT FM as we speak... hele nenni de nenni de nenni ni de nenni/ goturun yara beni.... nice turku (folksong)....try it sometimes....
In fact,i'd say i know more about what really goes on in trnc then the ordinary people who live there with their compulsory blinkers on...

By the way,do you mind expanding on what you said above...It is not clear who thinks what about whose intransigence...I don't want miltiades to get the wrong idea...so please explain...

[Viewpoint]

Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence.

In the day of the internet and online radio and newspapers,you don't have to have direct personal contact to know what is going on in trnc,Zan...I might be thousands of miles away,but TRT radios and Bayrak Radios and all the others,plus Kibris,Yeni duzen,Halkin Sesi,Afrika etc newspapers are just a few clicks away,and I read and listen to them every day....In fact I am listening to TRT FM as we speak... hele nenni de nenni de nenni ni de nenni/ goturun yara beni.... nice turku (folksong)....try it sometimes....
In fact,i'd say i know more about what really goes on in trnc then the ordinary people who live there with their compulsory blinkers on...

By the way,do you mind expanding on what you said above...It is not clear who thinks what about whose intransigence...I don't want miltiades to get the wrong idea...so please explain...

So the man who reads about surgery is more advanced than the Dr who performs operations everyday...please even you cant convince us this is the case...You need to come to the TRNC and sit with us and live breath the TRNC and then reasses your opinions about the situation. If you have not been to the GC south either you should also go there and talk with those and see the differnce then your opinions would be more healthy and respected by people.

[BirKibrisli]

Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence.

In the day of the internet and online radio and newspapers,you don't have to have direct personal contact to know what is going on in trnc,Zan...I might be thousands of miles away,but TRT radios and Bayrak Radios and all the others,plus Kibris,Yeni duzen,Halkin Sesi,Afrika etc newspapers are just a few clicks away,and I read and listen to them every day....In fact I am listening to TRT FM as we speak... hele nenni de nenni de nenni ni de nenni/ goturun yara beni.... nice turku (folksong)....try it sometimes....
In fact,i'd say i know more about what really goes on in trnc then the ordinary people who live there with their compulsory blinkers on...

By the way,do you mind expanding on what you said above...It is not clear who thinks what about whose intransigence...I don't want miltiades to get the wrong idea...so please explain...

So the man who reads about surgery is more advanced than the Dr who performs operations everyday...please even you cant convince us this is the case...You need to come to the TRNC and sit with us and live breath the TRNC and then reasses your opinions about the situation. If you have not been to the GC south either you should also go there and talk with those and see the differnce then your opinions would be more healthy and respected by people.

No the doctor analogy is not right,VP...When it comes to measuring the political and social heartbeat,the professional journalist and television current affairs producer will always be miles ahead, with today's technology ,than the man in the street...But,like Zan,you probably don't believe I have any expertise in anything either,so I am wasting my breath...But in any case i do look forward to visiting Cyprus in the earliest opportunity to see things for myself...and i promise you i will be objective about my assessment of the situation...

[Pyrpolizer]

In every place I visit the first thing I watch is how expensive life is. Then how the average man makes his living and how he can catch up with the cost of living. I usually catch up pretty quickly what the social structure is.Believe me there is poverty beyond imagination even in the richest countries.Then I watch ethics, way of thinking, customs and try to mesh everything up.

I did the same with the occupied areas.There is poverty there and a lot of idleness byTCs. Despite the fact the standard of living raised by 2 times in the last 4 years. I concluded this is due because the TCs can not produce or compete on anything with the mainland Turkey. The same would happen to the Gcs if we were part of mainland Greece. The use of Turkish Lira is the number one catastrophic factor for the Tcs. They cannot plan or control their economy. They cannot provide incentives to their own people/bussinessmen without having a mainland Turkish company taking over.

The same "isolation" will continue if we are going to have a Federal structure where the economy is not united.

[miltiades]

Zan Wrote:
"""""""Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence. """"""

You are right in one respect that I do not have the right to talk on behalf of all the TCs but as I have had contact from many and they have congratulated me and asked me to keep up the good work that I have chosen to take up on my own, then I feel that I have a duty to them to carry on. Some things are worth fighting for Miltiades and until these people tell me to stop I am here till I drop. Believe me that the work I do is because of love for my people and the injustice I see every day coming out of the "RoC" towards them. No my friend, you have more to worry about than a man that is being paid to do a half hearted job for the sake of it. I run on belief and need and no amount of money would cover that. When I see that the "RoC" works for all the people on Cyprus and sees the real difficulties faced by all and not the people that put them in power then all my energies will be with the Cyprus that that will produce. You have my word on that. """

Firstly let me deal with that word "intransigence "The definition of this misused word is quite varied with different meanings. It mainly means resistance , opposition , refusal and can also mean support. My intransigent position when it comes to one Cyprus for one people is well documented on this forum. My intransigent opposition to the division of our island and the annexation of a part of our island to a foreign nation is also well posted . My intransigent stand on resisting efforts by the occupying powers to have their occupation dismissed by the international community and to obtain recognition is also well known. My intransigent position that Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , that Cyprus IS NOT a Greek Island is also well posted , even you must be aware of my numerous arguments and confrontations with many from the G/C side. Am I intransigent when it comes to above values , you bet Im brother , and brother Cypriot you are whether you like it or not , you were born next to me a few miles away on this island that you consider your birth country just as I DO.

[Viewpoint]

Why don't you ask Bir how many TCs he is in contact with that actually live in Cyprus and I will tell you how many I talk to. I have sisters and aunts and cousins that are going backwards and forwards from there on a regular basis. OH! I forgot that he has actually met up with mrfromng and we all know what he thinks about your intransigence.

In the day of the internet and online radio and newspapers,you don't have to have direct personal contact to know what is going on in trnc,Zan...I might be thousands of miles away,but TRT radios and Bayrak Radios and all the others,plus Kibris,Yeni duzen,Halkin Sesi,Afrika etc newspapers are just a few clicks away,and I read and listen to them every day....In fact I am listening to TRT FM as we speak... hele nenni de nenni de nenni ni de nenni/ goturun yara beni.... nice turku (folksong)....try it sometimes....
In fact,i'd say i know more about what really goes on in trnc then the ordinary people who live there with their compulsory blinkers on...

By the way,do you mind expanding on what you said above...It is not clear who thinks what about whose intransigence...I don't want miltiades to get the wrong idea...so please explain...

So the man who reads about surgery is more advanced than the Dr who performs operations everyday...please even you cant convince us this is the case...You need to come to the TRNC and sit with us and live breath the TRNC and then reasses your opinions about the situation. If you have not been to the GC south either you should also go there and talk with those and see the differnce then your opinions would be more healthy and respected by people.

No the doctor analogy is not right,VP...When it comes to measuring the political and social heartbeat,the professional journalist and television current affairs producer will always be miles ahead, with today's technology ,than the man in the street...But,like Zan,you probably don't believe I have any expertise in anything either,so I am wasting my breath...But in any case i do look forward to visiting Cyprus in the earliest opportunity to see things for myself...and i promise you i will be objective about my assessment of the situation...

Bir 15 years ago I was just like you, full of hope and tollerence but having moved home and lived with TCs in the TRNC on a daily basis seeing first hand the injustices imposed by the unwaverng "European" south has hardened my views and although I subscribe to the belief that we are all humans I will not surrender as easily as you...I want safeguards and guarantees, if GCs feel that these are not necessary has they have no bad intentions towards their TCs brothers then why are they so afraid of providing them? this generates suspicion and great mistrust. Just take a few minutes to think about it..I hope you will have the opportunity to see the TCs in their own environment at work and at play you will be proud how they have survived against all odds, even our dialect and warmness will touch your heart and make you ask the question do these people deserve to be isolated or face GC domination..all we want is to rule ourselves in our own environment, this is not to much to ask for. If this island belongs to all of us then the 2 sides should be made equal and the people from those 2 sides allowed to choose where they wish to live, play grow and prosper. If in time trust and cooperation thrives then the border will automatically disappear...that is my dream.

[Pyrpolizer]

In case you haven't yet realized it VP all your problems rise from the fact that YOU are the ones who do not treat us equally. Who gave you the right to throw me out of my home and land so that you choose "freely" where to live?

As for the unjustices imposed by what you call "south' would you care tell us what these are? The fact that we refuse to allow your so called 'north" be considered legal? Don't you understand it's illegal by definition as it is based on stolen lands and properties?

I am all ears to hear what the hell we impose on you when we have absolutely no control over the occupied areas.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw you were blaming us for your misfortunes before 1974. (as if you were angels yourselves). You got 37% of our Country for yourselves-double than what your poppulation is, you threw us out of our homes and lnds stole our properties, declared your own state called it "trnc", ARE YOU STILL BLAMING US for your misfortunes?

Ali to dernoun 100, tzi' Ali to dern' o nous tou/Ali (says he) is being beaten by 100, but (actually) Ali is being beaten by himself