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[denizaksulu]

Piratis, thanks for your response. However I have never commented on what you call "illegalities" up till now. Please dont put words in my mouth. Its your incessant use of the word "illegal" which I attack. You must have a fetish for that word. I am not saying that the occupation of part of the island is legal or illegal. It is a point of view.
Was the fact that Constantinopolis/ Istanbul was conqured by Mehmet II in 1453 an illegal act? There was war, it happens. Ideally, I would like to see ALL refugees return to their homes. But, and a bigBUT; I dont know if you have travelled to Kerinea lately. Look at the town from high up from the motorway. As far as the eye can see you have developments, habitation, businesses. They represent people. I know you will start of with those troublesome settlers, foreigners etc. Be realistic, what can be done (even if there are 'illegalities'). Dont you think your best bet is to come to some arrangement / settlement where "compensation" is granted to people of both sides who have lost homes and land. What other solution can you expect. I grant you that where refugees had settled in former greek homes the re-selling of these properties to others should have been made illegal. But then as time goes on these things eventually happen. I have often stood on the Pentadactylos and asked myself how do we untangle this mess. I am sure many GCs have thought about this just like I have. What conclusion do you think they have come to. The brave one are not going to wait for Tpop to pull his finger out. They apply to the TRNC Land Commission.
Think about it.
Instead of repeating "illegalities" non-stop like a stuck gramaphone needle be more positive and try to be more constructive.
Before you counter-attack, I do not live in "stolen" property, nor was I ever offered any, though I left behind not an inconsiderable estate. My ancestral home is "lived in" by refugees from Yialousa, I believe. I did go to see them, but unfortunately the were out. I do not resent the fact that MY HOME is currently occupied by refugees, and I do not cry about it.
Just stop thinking that YOUR PEOPLE are the only refugees.
Regards
DA

[Pyrpolizer]

A two-state solution, with autonomous administrations under a central government, was agreed between Denktas and Klerides as long ago as August 1974.

Turkey has never shown any interest in making TRNC a province of Turkey nor, despite the fantasies of some GCs, has Turkey ever shown any sign of going beyond the current line.

I don't personally know a single TC who wants to unite with Turkey. I know that some have made statements in the past, but I always had the impression that this was a kind of threat back - you threaten us with uniting with Greece, we respond by threatening to unite with Turkey.

The who are the 2 who voted yes?

[observer]

Pyrpolizer

The who are the 2 who voted yes?

If it's a puzzle I can't solve it

[denizaksulu]

Well, GR had aspirations to conquer Turkey and Greece! I am wondering? hmmmmm. No, I dont think so. GR is happy with us Cypriots. I am thinking??????

[denizaksulu]

Pyro, you dont expect anyone to show their hand, do you?

[Piratis]

Piratis, thanks for your response. However I have never commented on what you call "illegalities" up till now. Please dont put words in my mouth. Its your incessant use of the word "illegal" which I attack. You must have a fetish for that word. I am not saying that the occupation of part of the island is legal or illegal. It is a point of view.
Was the fact that Constantinopolis/ Istanbul was conqured by Mehmet II in 1453 an illegal act? There was war, it happens.

There are no "points of view" when it comes to legality. Republic of Cyprus is a UN member with sovereignty over the whole island of Cyprus, and Turkey illegally violates this sovereignty.

I mean you can have a point of view that murder, pedophilia, rape etc are fine. And you know what, at some point in history they were fine. Today they are not and they are illegal. Same with the occupation of Cyprus.

Ideally, I would like to see ALL refugees return to their homes. But, and a bigBUT; I dont know if you have travelled to Kerinea lately. Look at the town from high up from the motorway. As far as the eye can see you have developments, habitation, businesses. They represent people. I know you will start of with those troublesome settlers, foreigners etc. Be realistic, what can be done (even if there are 'illegalities'). Dont you think your best bet is to come to some arrangement / settlement where "compensation" is granted to people of both sides who have lost homes and land. What other solution can you expect. I grant you that where refugees had settled in former greek homes the re-selling of these properties to others should have been made illegal. But then as time goes on these things eventually happen. I have often stood on the Pentadactylos and asked myself how do we untangle this mess. I am sure many GCs have thought about this just like I have. What conclusion do you think they have come to. The brave one are not going to wait for Tpop to pull his finger out. They apply to the TRNC Land Commission.
Think about it.
Instead of repeating "illegalities" non-stop like a stuck gramaphone needle be more positive and try to be more constructive.

What you want me to be is not constructive but destructive. To help you establish a Turkish state on the north of my country to better exploit what was stolen from us. Why would I want that?

Before you counter-attack, I do not live in "stolen" property, nor was I ever offered any, though I left behind not an inconsiderable estate. My ancestral home is "lived in" by refugees from Yialousa, I believe. I did go to see them, but unfortunately the were out. I do not resent the fact that MY HOME is currently occupied by refugees, and I do not cry about it.
Just stop thinking that YOUR PEOPLE are the only refugees.
Regards
DA

Why then you do not accept that those people from Yialousa can go back to their own homes and you can get your own back?
Those people are refugees because they are forced to be away from their homes. On the other hand the TCs who are the 18% got the 37% of land, thats why they do not want a solution, so they can better exploit what does not belong to them.

Let me ask you Deniz, would you accept partition if the land distribution was 9% for TCs and 91% for GCs? Or partition is only OK as long as the TCs take a lot more than what belongs to them on our loss?

[denizaksulu]

Piratis, thanks for your as expected reply. I never would never condone rape, murder or paedophilia. Do not ask hypothetical questions. You see you are doing it again. Trying to put words in to my mouth which were never uttered. That is one reason why I try not to respond to people like you.
Where did you ever get the idea that I am a partitionist? Ok another stupid hypothetical. So do not ask dumb questions. I believe in Cyprus for Cypriots. Will you allow that for me? If I had the power relating to the family from Yialousa, another hypothetical.
I visited on a Sunday, and unfortunately they were out visiting other relatives. I believe I would have hugged them and say " what has happened to us Cypriots". Yet I do not know if they would greet me with a shotgun or not. That was my feeling. I am a very compassionate human being. I feel other peoples suffering.
Just prior to 1974, when Greek was killing Greek, I asked myself what on earth is happening. When the invasion took place, I did not jump up and down with glee. It should never have had to come to this. I was concerned for the whole of the population, yet I accepted that the Turkish Army was there on a mission. That was the protection of the TCs from attacks by the "bad guys". The rest is history.
Now you know how I feel. I love Cyprus no less than you do. If you want peace you have to be more concilliatory. You (plural) will not get anything by being so arrogant.
Regards
DA

[Murataga]

Let me ask you Deniz, would you accept partition if the land distribution was 9% for TCs and 91% for GCs? Or partition is only OK as long as the TCs take a lot more than what belongs to them on our loss?

Yes, we would if that 9% landlocked you by giving us the whole coastline of Cyprus and some isolated areas covering drinkable water resources.

What you have a hard time understanding is that land distribution exactly according to population ratio is not necessaraily fair. I`ve explained this to you before. There are a wide range of issues ranging from security, strategy, feasibility, economy, resources and etc. that enforces deviation from such a primitive approach.

I believe 37% land fot the TRNC was a big mistake. I think it should be alot more so that it can pressure the GC administration to stop its illegalities and give up/return what it has stolen/usurped (and continue to do so for 44 years): the sole representation rights, and all the financial/political privelages/benefits of the RoC, which by the way is worth much more than land.

[Get Real!]

Well, GR had aspirations to conquer Turkey and Greece! I am wondering? hmmmmm. No, I dont think so. GR is happy with us Cypriots. I am thinking??????

Fact is I haven't voted yet and I'm very tempted to encourage Turkey to make a very foolish move...

[DT.]

Well, GR had aspirations to conquer Turkey and Greece! I am wondering? hmmmmm. No, I dont think so. GR is happy with us Cypriots. I am thinking??????

Fact is I haven't voted yet and I'm very tempted to encourage Turkey to make a very foolish move...

Gamoto!! you beat me to it.

Not that our opinions in this forum matter or anyting.