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Re: The kettle calling the saucepan black

Postby Southerner » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:24 pm

zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
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zan wrote:The only person here that is giving answers is you when there are no answers to give except that there is bad in all and good in all. Are you trying to promote Christianity or run down Islam. Either way you have no right and or the right perspective in life. You want to promote yourself as a caring Christian or just a caring human being then shut the fuck up and let people do what ever religion they want and take a look at your own before you condemn others because just being better than the ones you denigrade is not good enough. When you have reached perfection then you can come here and tell us how to achieve ultimate enlightenment but until then we can leave such things to the Dalia Lama. You can take your pedofile priest and homophobic priests and stick them up your arse. The same to any Islamists that think they have the ultimate religion. The whole lot is based on Judaism and are no different to each other. :roll:

Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly have'nt.


Everything about you says that but you can't see it. On what basis are you drawing your conclusions then. We have alraedy mentioned the biggest terrorist on the planet in Bush so what are you still going on about. I think you need to start wieghing up what you are saying and see the realities of it. All religions at base level are peaceful but some misinterpret that to what ever they want and you are doing the same.
Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly haven't. Your only response is to reply about something else, not mentioned because you can't answer, it is you people who are here trying to promote islam, nobody came here promoting Christianity, nobody came here praising Bush.


I am not promoting Islam because I do not believe in religion in any way shape or form but I also do not believe in people that act on tabloid headlines. Can you give me some numbers. Numbers as in how many Muslims there are around the world and how many are causing trouble. What I swant you to do is get some perspective on the whole issue and stop generalising thats all. If it was up to me I would ban all religion but even that has its problems so maye I would not. I have to ask you if you are not here to defend Christianity then what are you here for. If you are here to condemn the behaviour of some Muslims then have you done the same for those that behave badly within the Christian faith. like those millionair evangelists that prey on the weak minded. If you are going to stand on your soap box and condemn bad behaviour then at least be fair.[/GVideo]

Listen Richard the thread is titled Islam the only Acceptable Religion in the site of Almighty! , nothing at all to do with Christianity, you keep refering to Christianity not me I am not a practising Christian, I do not read tabloids but I do watch most of the Sky news chanels, where they showed muslims in Afghanistan destroying ancients artifacts of Bhudism, shooting women in the back of the head for learning to read, the death penalty has long been abolished in the UK and yet muslims still execute children in Iran, Pakistan the main training ground for terrorists who then bite the hand that feeds them in the name of islam (London Bombings). A leading politician is trying to get a bill through Pakistan's parliament to make it punishable by death to leave the islmaic faith, that is not tabloid propoganda.
If islamic countries are so good why is it 99% one way traffic to the west or is that tabloid propoganda, tell me one muslim country where they have an immigration problem. the reason is that muslim leaders has imposed strict control over the population for their own egos, they have stifled progress in most issues.
If I want to draw a silly picture of the Archbishop of Canterbury the Pope or Jesus I can, it won't lead to worldwide riots with crowds of moronic rioters out in the street wetting themselves, going hysterical, burning effigies of me and shouting for my death.
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Postby rajput49 » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:22 pm

problems of the world basic reason is people have put holy scriptures behind their backs and have bought life of this world over the eternal life indeed its a very miserable deal people have made.people should stick to atleast what they believe in totality people shouldnt accept slavery of their innerself.slavery of innerself is absolute denial of GOD
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Postby miltiades » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:03 pm

rajput49 wrote:problems of the world basic reason is people have put holy scriptures behind their backs and have bought life of this world over the eternal life indeed its a very miserable deal people have made.people should stick to atleast what they believe in totality people shouldnt accept slavery of their innerself.slavery of innerself is absolute denial of GOD


Is that the God that the medieval , prehistoric people devised , and who has accepted slavery of his inner self , me who has seen the light or you who is till in the dark ages. What the hell does this mean mate " slavery of innerself is absolute denial of GOD """

Can you also tell me , in this eternal world is Bin Laden and his desciples likely to be there ?? How about your mate Adolf Hitler , will he be there too , he will make a good team with old BL (Bloody Lout )
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Re: The kettle calling the saucepan black

Postby zan » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:11 pm

Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:The only person here that is giving answers is you when there are no answers to give except that there is bad in all and good in all. Are you trying to promote Christianity or run down Islam. Either way you have no right and or the right perspective in life. You want to promote yourself as a caring Christian or just a caring human being then shut the fuck up and let people do what ever religion they want and take a look at your own before you condemn others because just being better than the ones you denigrade is not good enough. When you have reached perfection then you can come here and tell us how to achieve ultimate enlightenment but until then we can leave such things to the Dalia Lama. You can take your pedofile priest and homophobic priests and stick them up your arse. The same to any Islamists that think they have the ultimate religion. The whole lot is based on Judaism and are no different to each other. :roll:

Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly have'nt.


Everything about you says that but you can't see it. On what basis are you drawing your conclusions then. We have alraedy mentioned the biggest terrorist on the planet in Bush so what are you still going on about. I think you need to start wieghing up what you are saying and see the realities of it. All religions at base level are peaceful but some misinterpret that to what ever they want and you are doing the same.
Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly haven't. Your only response is to reply about something else, not mentioned because you can't answer, it is you people who are here trying to promote islam, nobody came here promoting Christianity, nobody came here praising Bush.


I am not promoting Islam because I do not believe in religion in any way shape or form but I also do not believe in people that act on tabloid headlines. Can you give me some numbers. Numbers as in how many Muslims there are around the world and how many are causing trouble. What I swant you to do is get some perspective on the whole issue and stop generalising thats all. If it was up to me I would ban all religion but even that has its problems so maye I would not. I have to ask you if you are not here to defend Christianity then what are you here for. If you are here to condemn the behaviour of some Muslims then have you done the same for those that behave badly within the Christian faith. like those millionair evangelists that prey on the weak minded. If you are going to stand on your soap box and condemn bad behaviour then at least be fair.[/GVideo]

Listen Richard the thread is titled Islam the only Acceptable Religion in the site of Almighty! , nothing at all to do with Christianity, you keep refering to Christianity not me I am not a practising Christian, I do not read tabloids but I do watch most of the Sky news chanels, where they showed muslims in Afghanistan destroying ancients artifacts of Bhudism, shooting women in the back of the head for learning to read, the death penalty has long been abolished in the UK and yet muslims still execute children in Iran, Pakistan the main training ground for terrorists who then bite the hand that feeds them in the name of islam (London Bombings). A leading politician is trying to get a bill through Pakistan's parliament to make it punishable by death to leave the islmaic faith, that is not tabloid propoganda.
If islamic countries are so good why is it 99% one way traffic to the west or is that tabloid propoganda, tell me one muslim country where they have an immigration problem. the reason is that muslim leaders has imposed strict control over the population for their own egos, they have stifled progress in most issues.
If I want to draw a silly picture of the Archbishop of Canterbury the Pope or Jesus I can, it won't lead to worldwide riots with crowds of moronic rioters out in the street wetting themselves, going hysterical, burning effigies of me and shouting for my death.


Now I wonder who owns the Sun and Sky TV. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Islam the only Acceptable Religion in the site of Almigh

Postby sweetie pie » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:15 pm

QAMERSLAND wrote:Dear Brothers and sisters,
Do you know that Islam is the only true religion on the face of earth,

do you know that all the prophet including Jesus christ was a Muslim?

do you know a muslim is not muslim if he/she does not believe in Jesus christ as one of the mightiest prohet of GOd?

i welcome all of you to Islam so you may be forgiven and enter paradise,

feel free to ask anything or even critisize , i will inshllah answer

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Where is the site of Almighty then? I would love to know where he is!
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PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) (GOD)

Postby QAMERSLAND » Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:56 am

Sweetie pie,

Thank you for asking about where is God?

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) (GOD)

LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD

My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what the meaning of God is. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognize or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.


QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?

http://www.irf.net/book3.zip

THEORY OF PROBABILITY

In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chance that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular; it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.


CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN

The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.

QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE

Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.



SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]
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Postby zan » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:06 am

When someone holds up an empty hand and tells you it is a pen then that person needs to see a doctor.

When you describe the creator of a machine and then produce this person, in person, then you remove all probability of him not existing.
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Postby Southerner » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:15 am

zan wrote:When someone holds up an empty hand and tells you it is a pen then that person needs to see a doctor.

When you describe the creator of a machine and then produce this person, in person, then you remove all probability of him not existing.
Now I know you've lost it.
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Postby Southerner » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:16 am

zan wrote:When someone holds up an empty hand and tells you it is a pen then that person needs to see a doctor.

When you describe the creator of a machine and then produce this person, in person, then you remove all probability of him not existing.
Now I know you've lost it. Suppose I shouldn't mock the afflicted.
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Postby THE HIGHLANDER » Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:34 am

WHY IS CRAP POSTING STILL ON THE F*CKIN FORUM?.................BURY IT FOR "GODS SAKE"
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