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Postby Southerner » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:42 am

QAMERSLAND wrote:everyone is welcome to promote whatever someone like. but there must be one answer of 2+2 = ? , so we look forward to hear from those who have any faith or those who do not have faith to sahre us what is the reason of their believe and how can they prove their point?
A Religion should not just a set of rules but a complete way of life!
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As I said never an answer always dodging the issue, tell us what you are going to do about the execution of children in muslim controled iran, not media propoganda but fact.
Don't come back until you've put an end to it or they've put an end to you which is the more likely outcome.
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Postby T_C » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:48 am

Well said Rawk!

Religion belongs in the past, its history that some people just cant seem to learn from!

Instead they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again.

It's like an infection!

I personally believe in a higher being but not as told by these books that belong in a rubbish bin.

If God created the world and all these incredible things I'm sure he was capable of leaving us a bit more than a paperback written by crackheads. :roll:
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Re: The kettle calling the saucepan black

Postby zan » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:01 am

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rajput49 wrote:it is very frustrating to see that most of the people have forgot the fact that this forum is for discussion and getting knowledge of each others views and not for allegation and allegations.i found most of the replies of members(without mentioning members) very racist.where is the culture of tollerence of which europe is so proud of.we should appreciate the fact that someone like qamarsland is trying to remove some of the misconceptions which people have about islam.rather people are very hostile towards his attempts and people are giving the impression that they dont want to know about islam and want to beleive only in whatever negative they know from media.if people are so sure that islam has these negatives than discuss it and prove it if u can bring any law of islam which is present in quran(holy scripture) and hadith(sayings, incidents of life of prophet muhammad peace b upon him)and is against the humanity and modern social life.islam can answer all your questions if u want these questions to b answered go and find out truth by urself.islam is a complete art of living.only thing is how well u want to learn this art.islam has complete social,economic and political system.please give refernce of your beliefs islam is there out waiting for u to varify it with your own life.islam gives solution to problem of individual and most importantly society as a whole
The problem is that there is so much going on in isalmic countries, under the banner of islam, that is abhorent to westerners and yet when these issues are raised with members of the muslim faith they are dismissed as western propoganda, which is seen to be the get out excuse for everything that the muslims do wrong.
It is either western propoganda or these acts are against the teachings of islam, therefore the house of islam should be put in order before telling other people how to live.
And before you start on about the west that is not the issue, the issue is about, to coin an English phrase/saying, "the kettle calling the saucepan black".
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What do you think of millionair evangelists????

The replies on this thread are in response the attempted promotion of isalm
Nobody came on here promoting the virtues of millionair evangelists, but typicaly never an answer but a question


The only person here that is giving answers is you when there are no answers to give except that there is bad in all and good in all. Are you trying to promote Christianity or run down Islam. Either way you have no right and or the right perspective in life. You want to promote yourself as a caring Christian or just a caring human being then shut the fuck up and let people do what ever religion they want and take a look at your own before you condemn others because just being better than the ones you denigrade is not good enough. When you have reached perfection then you can come here and tell us how to achieve ultimate enlightenment but until then we can leave such things to the Dalia Lama. You can take your pedofile priest and homophobic priests and stick them up your arse. The same to any Islamists that think they have the ultimate religion. The whole lot is based on Judaism and are no different to each other. :roll:
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Re: The kettle calling the saucepan black

Postby Southerner » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:10 am

zan wrote:The only person here that is giving answers is you when there are no answers to give except that there is bad in all and good in all. Are you trying to promote Christianity or run down Islam. Either way you have no right and or the right perspective in life. You want to promote yourself as a caring Christian or just a caring human being then shut the fuck up and let people do what ever religion they want and take a look at your own before you condemn others because just being better than the ones you denigrade is not good enough. When you have reached perfection then you can come here and tell us how to achieve ultimate enlightenment but until then we can leave such things to the Dalia Lama. You can take your pedofile priest and homophobic priests and stick them up your arse. The same to any Islamists that think they have the ultimate religion. The whole lot is based on Judaism and are no different to each other. :roll:


Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly have'nt.
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Postby QAMERSLAND » Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:12 am

i feel sad to know that how much you know about yout creator, and more how much you know about islam,

by the way where did you get this usefull info about islam to satisfy yourself and to justfy all your evil desires?

did you read Quran? did you read the biography Of Muhammad?

if you would have known them, you would have believed them

Open the eyes and dare to read Quran yourself and than decide

easy to blaim but dificult to prove
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Re: The kettle calling the saucepan black

Postby zan » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:38 am

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zan wrote:The only person here that is giving answers is you when there are no answers to give except that there is bad in all and good in all. Are you trying to promote Christianity or run down Islam. Either way you have no right and or the right perspective in life. You want to promote yourself as a caring Christian or just a caring human being then shut the fuck up and let people do what ever religion they want and take a look at your own before you condemn others because just being better than the ones you denigrade is not good enough. When you have reached perfection then you can come here and tell us how to achieve ultimate enlightenment but until then we can leave such things to the Dalia Lama. You can take your pedofile priest and homophobic priests and stick them up your arse. The same to any Islamists that think they have the ultimate religion. The whole lot is based on Judaism and are no different to each other. :roll:


Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly have'nt.


Everything about you says that but you can't see it. On what basis are you drawing your conclusions then. We have alraedy mentioned the biggest terrorist on the planet in Bush so what are you still going on about. I think you need to start wieghing up what you are saying and see the realities of it. All religions at base level are peaceful but some misinterpret that to what ever they want and you are doing the same.
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Postby halil » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:30 am

Nearly all Turkish Cypriots were followers of Islam, but, unlike most predominantly Muslim societies, the TRNC was a secular state, as specified in the first article of the 1985 constitution. There was no state religion, and Turkish Cypriots were free to choose their own religion. Religious leaders had little influence in politics, and religious instruction, while available in schools, was not obligatory. The few Greek Cypriots who lived in the TRNC were free to follow their Greek Orthodox faith. The tiny Maronite community had its Christian Maronite Church. In addition, there were Anglican and Roman Catholic churches.
The position of Islam and Islamic institutions in the Turkish Cypriot community differed from that of Greek Orthodoxy among Greek Cypriots. In contrast to the Greek Cypriot millet's ethnarch, there was no Islamic religious figure with political power. Where the Church of Cyprus was intimately identified with Greek nationalism and the campaign for enosis, Islam played virtually no role in Turkish Cypriot nationalism. The great figure of this latter movement was Atatürk, a man famous for secularism, and in many respects the polar opposite of Archbishop Makarios III, who was both a religious and political leader. It was Atatürk who established the secular Turkish state, which has generally adhered to his doctrines ever since. Although Atatürk had no jurisdiction over Cyprus, Turkish Cypriots adopted most of his program voluntarily and with little controversy. Turkish Cypriots were among the first to adopt Atatürk's prohibition of Arabic in religious services and to use the Quran in Turkish translation. Since Atatürk's death, Turkish Cypriots have usually followed the religious practices of Turkey. When in 1951, for example, Turkish authorities once again allowed the use of the Quran in Arabic and directed that the call to prayers also be in Arabic, Turkish Cypriots followed suit. Despite these lapses from Atatürk's policies, both Turkey and the TRNC remained fundamentally secular.
The Islamic faith arose from the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad in Arabia in the seventh century. It is based on a monotheistic belief in God (Allah) as all-powerful in the universe and in human subservience to God's will. All devout persons should submit to the divinely willed plan; the word Muslim means one who has surrendered to God's will. This will has been made known through the prophets, including those of the Old Testament and Jesus, with Muhammad being the last of them. The Quran, held to have been revealed by God to Muhammad and dictated by him to scribes, is thus a guide to practical living and the basis for law covering all spheres of life.
The principal religious observances, often known as the five pillars of Islam, are the profession of faith that "there is no God but God and Muhammad is his messenger"; daily prayer; fasting during the month of Ramadan when the Quran was revealed; almsgiving; and once in one's lifetime if feasible the pilgrimage to Mecca, the birthplace of Muhammad and eventual home of his community of disciples. The daily prayers are called from the minaret of the mosque at dawn, noon, midafternoon, sunset, and early evening. Devout Muslim males also attend community prayer services at the mosque on Friday, the weekly holy day.
Turkish Cypriots, like most Turkish nationals, are followers of Sunni Islam. After the Prophet's death, his followers split over the question of the method of choosing his successors. The Sunnis (from sunnah, tradition) argued that Muhammad had prescribed no definitive procedure; the Shias (from Shiat Ali, party of Ali) insisted that his designation of his cousin and son-in-law Ali established a hereditary succession. Basic questions of theology and practice deepened the split. Sunnis consider the Quran and the hadith, a separate collection of the sayings and deeds of Muhmamad, to be a complete, comprehensive, and eternally correct source of religious guidance requiring only deductive elaboration by scholars. Shias accept an additional body of esoteric lore handed down by Muhammad to Ali, which may be revealed and expanded by divinely inspired Imams who were descendants of Ali. Within Sunni Islam, Turkish Cypriots have traditionally followed the Hanafi school of legal interpretation, a rather austere variety of Islam.
Evkaf Idaresi (Turkish Religious Trust, usually known as Evkaf) was the prime institutional representative of the Turkish Cypriot community. Until 1915 it was governed by delegates chosen by the sultan and the British, with the Turkish delegate generally exercising wide discretion; after formal annexation of the island, the British appointed both delegates. The Evkaf functioned during the colonial period as a government department. However, in the intensely nationalistic period before independence, control was given to a new elective council, and the constitution of 1960 assigned religious matters as one of the major powers of the new Turkish Cypriot Communal Chamber. Since 1973, the Evkaf has been an independent foundation with its own budget, insulated to some extent from the political leadership of the Turkish Cypriot community. Whereas the Evkaf operated Muslim schools in the past, in recent decades it has simply provided funds for the salary of the mufti, the highest religious figure, and for the construction, repair, and maintenance of the mosques. The Evkak's revenues were derived from its large landholdings and other property placed in trust for religious purposes. Before 1974 it was the second largest landowner in Cyprus, surpassed only by the Church of Cyprus. Because much of its property was located in territory occupied by the Republic of Cyprus, however, the de facto partition of the island cost the Evkaf half of its agricultural property and nearly all of its building sites.
The mufti was the spiritual head of the Turkish Cypriot Islamic community. His office underwent dramatic changes after the Ottoman period, when religion and administration were fused under the sultan as God's representative ruling over the Islamic community. The mufti's role was essentially that of supreme authority in religious law rather than high priest or administrator. He was appointed by the sultan until Atatürk abolished the caliphate. The British abolished the position in 1928 and transferred its duties to a new official in the Evkaf. The office was revived in 1956 as part of the reforms that gave Turkish Cypriots control over the Evkaf; the new mufti was elected by the island's Muslims and his retirement age set at seventy-five. Because of the secularization of the Turkish Cypriot society, however, the mufti lost his jurisdiction over such matters as law, marriage, and education.
Turkish Cypriots were among the most secular of Islamic peoples. Wedding ceremonies were civil, rather than religious, for example. The eight decades of British rule contributed to this secularization. More significant was the Turkish Cypriots' close adherence to Atatürk's reforms in Turkey. Religion came to be a personal matter among Turkish Cypriots, and they did not attempt to impose their religious beliefs on others. Although there was some fasting during the month of Ramadan, moderate attendance at the Friday prayers, and widespread observation of the holy days, few Turkish Cypriots were orthodox Muslims. Most of those who fasted during Ramadan, for example, lived an unorthodox life the rest of the year, and Turkish Cypriots generally did not abstain from alcohol as standard Muslim teaching requires, but followed traditional Mediterranean drinking customs.
There were groups and organizations in the TRNC that opposed traditional Turkish Cypriot secularism and religious tolerance. Some Saudi Arabian and Libyan aid came from groups that wished to see an upsurge of Islamism (sometimes seen as fundamentalism) on the island.
The Cyprus Turkish Islam Society (CTIS) was one of the organizations that was working for an expanded role for Islam in the TRNC. The group's program, the Turkish-Islamic Synthesis (Türk-Islam Sentezi) called for the union of Turkish nationalism and Islam, a coalition between government and military, a society built on Islamic foundations and the rule of religious law, sharia (seriat in Turkish). The Turkish-Islamic Synthesis also identified enemies to be controlled or eliminated, including atheists, communists, Western humanists, members of other religions, and those who blame Islam for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. It maintained close ties to Sheyh Nazim Adil Kibrisli, a Cypriot living in London, who was a leading member of the Naksibendi order of Sunni Islam in Europe. The Naksibendi order also advocated a return to sharia and openly opposed Atatürk's reforms.
Given the secular traditions of Turkish Cypriots, these and other like-minded groups had an uphill task to realize their aims. Nevertheless, some Turkish Cypriots would certainly find these aims attractive. This fact and the access of Islamic groups to the financial resources of oil-producing nations made it likely that their presence would continue to be felt in the TRNC.
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Re: The kettle calling the saucepan black

Postby Southerner » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:42 am

zan wrote:
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zan wrote:The only person here that is giving answers is you when there are no answers to give except that there is bad in all and good in all. Are you trying to promote Christianity or run down Islam. Either way you have no right and or the right perspective in life. You want to promote yourself as a caring Christian or just a caring human being then shut the fuck up and let people do what ever religion they want and take a look at your own before you condemn others because just being better than the ones you denigrade is not good enough. When you have reached perfection then you can come here and tell us how to achieve ultimate enlightenment but until then we can leave such things to the Dalia Lama. You can take your pedofile priest and homophobic priests and stick them up your arse. The same to any Islamists that think they have the ultimate religion. The whole lot is based on Judaism and are no different to each other. :roll:


Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly have'nt.


Everything about you says that but you can't see it. On what basis are you drawing your conclusions then. We have alraedy mentioned the biggest terrorist on the planet in Bush so what are you still going on about. I think you need to start wieghing up what you are saying and see the realities of it. All religions at base level are peaceful but some misinterpret that to what ever they want and you are doing the same.
Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly haven't. Your only response is to reply about something else, not mentioned because you can't answer, it is you people who are here trying to promote islam, nobody came here promoting Christianity, nobody came here praising Bush.
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Postby Smiler Brian » Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:04 pm

What nice peaceful people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQLpG5b18pk
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Re: The kettle calling the saucepan black

Postby zan » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:24 pm

Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:The only person here that is giving answers is you when there are no answers to give except that there is bad in all and good in all. Are you trying to promote Christianity or run down Islam. Either way you have no right and or the right perspective in life. You want to promote yourself as a caring Christian or just a caring human being then shut the fuck up and let people do what ever religion they want and take a look at your own before you condemn others because just being better than the ones you denigrade is not good enough. When you have reached perfection then you can come here and tell us how to achieve ultimate enlightenment but until then we can leave such things to the Dalia Lama. You can take your pedofile priest and homophobic priests and stick them up your arse. The same to any Islamists that think they have the ultimate religion. The whole lot is based on Judaism and are no different to each other. :roll:


Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly have'nt.


Everything about you says that but you can't see it. On what basis are you drawing your conclusions then. We have alraedy mentioned the biggest terrorist on the planet in Bush so what are you still going on about. I think you need to start wieghing up what you are saying and see the realities of it. All religions at base level are peaceful but some misinterpret that to what ever they want and you are doing the same.
Which part of nobody here is promoting Christianity don't you understand? I have yet to see where anyone has said that Christianity is better than islam, I certainly haven't. Your only response is to reply about something else, not mentioned because you can't answer, it is you people who are here trying to promote islam, nobody came here promoting Christianity, nobody came here praising Bush.


I am not promoting Islam because I do not believe in religion in any way shape or form but I also do not believe in people that act on tabloid headlines. Can you give me some numbers. Numbers as in how many Muslims there are around the world and how many are causing trouble. What I swant you to do is get some perspective on the whole issue and stop generalising thats all. If it was up to me I would ban all religion but even that has its problems so maye I would not. I have to ask you if you are not here to defend Christianity then what are you here for. If you are here to condemn the behaviour of some Muslims then have you done the same for those that behave badly within the Christian faith. like those millionair evangelists that prey on the weak minded. If you are going to stand on your soap box and condemn bad behaviour then at least be fair.[/GVideo]
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