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[miltiades]

Very good post Damsi .

[QAMERSLAND]

Dear Damsi,

you are an athiest, do you know why?

because you did not got the answer of your questions that make you to believe in God.

in Islam, we have faith and Prove togather.

it seems to you that i am believeing what others have told me.

my dear, i have proved with my mind what i believe, if i were the one who believe what other feed in my mind, i would not have tried to convery the message.
there are many muslims you will find who dont care if you know the truth or not because they themselves are accidently muslims.

about punishment of God.

this life is a test

let's make it easy for you to understand. if you go to school and you got books and teachers to explain you practically.

at the end of the term, you take exam, if you do good in exam, you pass and if you do bad, you fail

same God has put us in this test. this life is test for us, he sent revelations and prophets time to time to teach the people and finished on Last Prophet Muhhamad PBUH and the last and final Book The Quran.

now our test is going own.

and during this test, you may get hard questions that you may not know how to answer. but all answers are there in islam we you want to pass.

and if you will pass the time by following the last messenger and final book. you will have passed other wise fail

it was my duty to convey u the message and now it is your test how you react, be witness that i have conveyed the message with best posible way i could

i am really sorry if i have hurted the feeling of any of you.

May God have peace and mercy on all of you.

[tessintrnc]

In the bible Jesus spoke out about stoning a woman to death by challenging the would be "stoners" he said "let him without sin cast the first stone" and guess what - no-one threw a stone. In later years this peaceful forgiving interpretation of Gods laws - was perverted by the Christian Church into something else, but this wasnt GODs doing it was mans. I believe in God, and christianity but no God of mine would condone the perverted interpretation that Islam has become, its like Christianity WAS, in the middle ages. It needs to evolve, and chill out a bit. In the Koran it states that Men AND Women should dress modestly, nothing about veils etc etc. Religion is, and should be a personal choice, not compulsory.................. Tess

[talipozdemir]

"These are the punishment which are described by our creator, God is the owner of our lives and he has right to set rules."

Nonsense. If a spiritual message does not preach love at all times, it's not spiritual and does not come from God. Go through your Koran and scratch out anything that does not show God (Allah) acting out of love for others, and see what remains. Then you might find some truth about what God is or isn't. Could you really imagine God stoning someone. If you can, then how can you be devoted to such a creature?
However if you are happy being a follower of other people's warped ideas of what God is or what he says and does, then please continue as you are and one day when you pass on perhaps you will realise the wasted opportunity to look for the real truth of our existence. You may never find it, but at least you will know that you tried, and not just accept what has been programmed into you by other people, and that applies to all religions.
Try reading some accounts of people who have near death experiences. Isn't it odd that devout Christians have encountered Jesus, devout Muslims encounter Mohammed and devout Buddhists encountered Buddha. This tells you the whole thing is right inside your mind.
Peace

Damsi. YOu are saying so.

Very good post Damsi .

And Miltiades supporting his idea like this.

Hey people..You really look like some clever-looking easy men.
I think I know some about christianity at least as much as you know about Islam.
So I think I know enough to discuss about christianity with you too.
But you'd better never go to discuss on religion with an Imam in a mosque.Because I think you don't know that much strong ideas to support your opinions to talk with an expert.

People like you always feel proud of themselves with discussing their ideas with easy men like this. Congratulations.


Regards,

talipozdemir

[Damsi]

Dear Damsi,

you are an athiest, do you know why?

because you did not got the answer of your questions that make you to believe in God.

in Islam, we have faith and Prove togather.

it seems to you that i am believeing what others have told me.

my dear, i have proved with my mind what i believe, if i were the one who believe what other feed in my mind, i would not have tried to convery the message.
there are many muslims you will find who dont care if you know the truth or not because they themselves are accidently muslims.

about punishment of God.

this life is a test

let's make it easy for you to understand. if you go to school and you got books and teachers to explain you practically.

at the end of the term, you take exam, if you do good in exam, you pass and if you do bad, you fail

same God has put us in this test. this life is test for us, he sent revelations and prophets time to time to teach the people and finished on Last Prophet Muhhamad PBUH and the last and final Book The Quran.

now our test is going own.

and during this test, you may get hard questions that you may not know how to answer. but all answers are there in islam we you want to pass.

and if you will pass the time by following the last messenger and final book. you will have passed other wise fail

it was my duty to convey u the message and now it is your test how you react, be witness that i have conveyed the message with best posible way i could

i am really sorry if i have hurted the feeling of any of you.

May God have peace and mercy on all of you.

I am so far from being an atheist, you cannot imagine But I can see how you might think that.
I was once programmed by religion (Catholic Christianity) and it took me ten years to shake off the fear of hell and damnation when I started to break away from it.
I wanted to find out for myself if God existed and one thing I have learned is that he is not in the mind. If he/she/it is anything he/she/it can only be experienced in the heart. But please don't take my word for it. Go and find out for yourself
I can tell you what an apple tastes like but unless you take a bite yourself, you will not know what I am talking about.

[Damsi]

talipozdemir....my comments have zero to do with Christianity. In fact I have criticised the Bible as well on this forum.
I have no problem defending your right to follow Islam and to believe what you want and I do not like to see the entire 1.5 billion Muslim population smeared over several thousand terrorists. so on a political level I have some sympathy for those who are peaceful followers of Islam.
However I have a problem with Islam's take on God as being vengeful and smiting people down, as I do with the God of the Old Testament or any of the Hindu Gods.
I believe God is the force of Love and only that. I have no other beliefs in that area and even if God doesn't exist as an old man with a white beard (the likelihood of that is slim and nil but let's not rule it out entirely given that we really don't know), it doesn't matter, because love is the only force from which all good springs and I don't mean the warped idea of love that some of us humans harbour from time to time

[talipozdemir]

I think, at least we got understanding.We are supporting same idea.
I think we musn't discuss about how to seperate people each other.
Because the things which we seperate people are not in our hands.
For example, I think the onlit difference between me and a Greek Cypriot is I was born in Turkey & he was born in Cyprus.We do not have a right to choose where to born... So it is nonsense to have a bad talk on a nationality or a country.I have no chance to change my birth place. So, as all of you know, most of our knowledge teached to us by our parents.We are mostly supporting the belief which our family teached us. So, it is nonsense to talk about the provacative actions around the world.Also it is not in our hands to stop the terrorism in a democrasy.The only thing we can do is to vote for the best one to choose a peace-maker president.

Thanks.


Regards,
talipozdemir

[miltiades]

Father XMAS exists , and so does your imaginary God . Religion and the Creator idea were created in the medieval times , is it not time now to wake up and see the light ?

[Damsi]

Tal
If we are supporting the same idea, then why do you need religion to do it?

[talipozdemir]

Tal
If we are supporting the same idea, then why do you need religion to do it?

Because, religion is something which I use to plan my day.I meant we got understanding each other without driving crazy each other.
Praying.Is something like a schedule for me.For example the morning praying.If cant wake up enough early to pray morning, I will sleep until 9:00 am. Because I think that there is nothing more important than praying for me at morning to wake up early phsycologically.
As a student, I must get up early at 5:00 AM and I must study & memorize something (For Example some Vocabulary) between 6:AM & 9:00AM. Like this.Yesterday I was very tired & I didn't pay attention this morning to wake up on time to morning pray.So a missed 4 hours to study.

Like this.There are a lot of examples in my life.
Thanks.

Regards,
talipozdemir