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Cyprus 1974-2007 (33 Years of Turkish Occupation)

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby turqual » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:05 pm

How we try to stand with all other people inside Turkey's frontier, you must do the same inside the Kibris Island.
Please, do not be peace-breaker, be peace-maker.

A cow do not eat the other one in the farm. Please dont try to eat each other as humanity. You are breathing the same breeze. You are living in the same lands.Your children playing together. Your sons and daughters marrying with each other.Mayeb your past werent same. But your future will be the same probably.

Please be positive. And dont feel shame about anything. I have a lot of friends from different countries.Maybe (not in general) most of Turkish people think like that Greeks & Cypriot Greeks are our enemy. But, I dont agree. If one day in my future life, If I can meet some Greek people with good character, I think we can be good friendz.
Please, dont be pessimist.Be careful and do not tell provacative words.

Thanks.

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Postby turqual » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:06 pm

How we try to stand with all other people inside Turkey's frontier, you must do the same inside the Kibris Island.
Please, do not be peace-breaker, be peace-maker.

A cow do not eat the other one in the farm. Please dont try to eat each other as humanity. You are breathing the same breeze. You are living in the same lands.Your children playing together. Your sons and daughters marrying with each other.Mayeb your past werent same. But your future will be the same probably.

Please be positive. And dont feel shame about anything. I have a lot of friends from different countries.Maybe (not in general) most of Turkish people think like that Greeks & Cypriot Greeks are our enemy. But, I dont agree. If one day in my future life, If I can meet some Greek people with good character, I think we can be good friendz.
Please, dont be pessimist.Be careful and do not tell provacative words.

Thanks.

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Postby Murataga » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:15 pm

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Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:17 pm

Murataga wrote:Kifeas wrote-
Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.


Murat, prove that the sky blue, if you can!
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Postby Murataga » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:36 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Murataga wrote:Kifeas wrote-
Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.


Murat, prove that the sky blue, if you can!


Is that supposed to be an answer?...

As far as your question is concerned: the sky is the part of the atmosphere or of outer space visible from the surface of any astronomical object. The light from the sky is a result of diffuse sky radiation which results in a light blue color being perceived by the human eye. On a sunny day the earth sky usually looks as a blue gradient — dark in the zenith, light near the horizon, due to Rayleigh scattering. The ability of the human eye to distinguish colors is based upon the varying sensitivity of different cells in the retina to light of different wavelengths. The sky appears blue because, air scatters short-wavelength light in preference to longer wavelengths which approximately correspond to a range of ~ 450–485 nm. I can elaborate more if you wish. However, I am still waiting for your answer.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:37 pm

Murataga wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Murataga wrote:Kifeas wrote-
Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.


Murat, prove that the sky blue, if you can!


Is that supposed to be an answer?...

As far as your question is concerned: the sky is the part of the atmosphere or of outer space visible from the surface of any astronomical object. The light from the sky is a result of diffuse sky radiation which results in a light blue color being perceived by the human eye. On a sunny day the earth sky usually looks as a blue gradient — dark in the zenith, light near the horizon, due to Rayleigh scattering. The ability of the human eye to distinguish colors is based upon the varying sensitivity of different cells in the retina to light of different wavelengths. The sky appears blue because, air scatters short-wavelength light in preference to longer wavelengths which approximately correspond to a range of ~ 450–485 nm. I can elaborate more if you wish. However, I am still waiting for your answer.

Hmm, please expand on that now as I'm not yet convinced... :)
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:40 pm

Murataga wrote:Kifeas wrote-
Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.


Without going into big debate over this Murataga, doesn't all Occupying Powers control almost everything of whom and what they are occupying. It is one of the benefits that comes along with other responsibilities that goes with it, like providing security and food and medicine. Is this not true in Iraq for instance, even though we say we are there because the Iraqi Government wants us there. Do you think US will leave, if the Iraqi Government told us to leave.? Why would you think it is any different in the "TRNC".? I guess the test is in the Pudding by asking the Turkish Military to leave. You can tell them, that as soon as the GC's kill one TC, you will invite them back again. Do you think they will listen to you.?
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Postby Murataga » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:55 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Murataga wrote:Kifeas wrote-
Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.


Without going into big debate over this Murataga, doesn't all Occupying Powers control almost everything of whom and what they are occupying. It is one of the benefits that comes along with other responsibilities that goes with it, like providing security and food and medicine. Is this not true in Iraq for instance, even though we say we are there because the Iraqi Government wants us there. Do you think US will leave, if the Iraqi Government told us to leave.? Why would you think it is any different in the "TRNC".? I guess the test is in the Pudding by asking the Turkish Military to leave. You can tell them, that as soon as the GC's kill one TC, you will invite them back again. Do you think they will listen to you.?


Hello there Kikapu. I hope you are doing well and this message finds you in good health and spirits. If we are to avoid going into a big debate over this, I`ll find it enough to say that the Turkish Army is not an invading force in the TRNC, but rather a military power to match what we alone can`t against the GC side. You can certainly appreciate that the circumstances, history and the problems in the Cyprus conflict have little resemblance to what is going on in Iraq. Please take good care of yourself, all the best.
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:03 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Murataga wrote:Kifeas wrote-
Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.


Without going into big debate over this Murataga, doesn't all Occupying Powers control almost everything of whom and what they are occupying. It is one of the benefits that comes along with other responsibilities that goes with it, like providing security and food and medicine. Is this not true in Iraq for instance, even though we say we are there because the Iraqi Government wants us there. Do you think US will leave, if the Iraqi Government told us to leave.? Why would you think it is any different in the "TRNC".? I guess the test is in the Pudding by asking the Turkish Military to leave. You can tell them, that as soon as the GC's kill one TC, you will invite them back again. Do you think they will listen to you.?


Kikapu, no need to waste your time! The man is either a twisted fanatic and a dreamer, or he thinks we are stupid and he is clever! It is pointless!
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:23 pm

Murataga wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Murataga wrote:Kifeas wrote-
Observer, Turkey controls and rules even the air you breathe in the north, set aside your will and preferences! You do as much as Turkey allows you to do! ”


Proove it. Or are you saying it beacuse it is what is written in your Greek propaganda? I am waiting.


Without going into big debate over this Murataga, doesn't all Occupying Powers control almost everything of whom and what they are occupying. It is one of the benefits that comes along with other responsibilities that goes with it, like providing security and food and medicine. Is this not true in Iraq for instance, even though we say we are there because the Iraqi Government wants us there. Do you think US will leave, if the Iraqi Government told us to leave.? Why would you think it is any different in the "TRNC".? I guess the test is in the Pudding by asking the Turkish Military to leave. You can tell them, that as soon as the GC's kill one TC, you will invite them back again. Do you think they will listen to you.?


Hello there Kikapu. I hope you are doing well and this message finds you in good health and spirits. If we are to avoid going into a big debate over this, I`ll find it enough to say that the Turkish Army is not an invading force in the TRNC, but rather a military power to match what we alone can`t against the GC side. You can certainly appreciate that the circumstances, history and the problems in the Cyprus conflict have little resemblance to what is going on in Iraq. Please take good care of yourself, all the best.


Thanks for your well wishes Murataga, and the very same to you also.

I guess without having a Debate it is not possible to meet questions with answers. You are correct, that the "TRNC" does not resemblance Iraq, at least as far as the actually military operation is concerned, but look how much the Americans pushed the Iraqis from one general election to the other with time tables and time limits and who can be the Prime Minister and who cannot and which member can and cannot be in the Parliament in the last 3 years. These are only the things we know about. Heavens only knows what goes on behind close doors.

I'm sure there must be a lot of "closed door meetings", that Turkey's "wants are asked" to be considered by the "TRNC" Government.
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