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[zan]

Can you point me to the part in the Koran that says that people should be killed if they convert or perhaps the Pakistanis are making it up as they go along. If you have read other posts of mine then you will know that I have no time for religion of any sort but to get yourself in a tiff because someone does something in the name of a religion is just madness. Was it not Bush that said that god was on his side in the fight against Saddam. He is now seen as the biggest terrorist around so is we to condemn Christianity because of that. The use of culture and religion are not a million miles from each other. The bible it self was written to bring all the cultures and the traditions together in one book and one religion or do you really believe that it was written with the hand of god.
I will use one example of how culture and religion is linked together in many ways. Take your Christmas tree for example. The tree it self was always outside the house and considered bad luck if brought into the house. The decorations on the tree are traditionally red because the original decorations were the intestines of the sacrificed animals to the gods so that they had plenty of lambs in the spring.

1) Bush is not a Christian cleric, the vast majority of muslim atrocities are carried out on the orders and blessings of muslim clerics. Take a look at the inscription on Nazi belt buckles, a fat lot of good it did them.
I don't know but has the Bush got something like "The protector of the faith" in his title like the queen for example.
2) Name one recognised religious leader of the Christian church involved in or promoting terrorism.
I think Makarios would be very topical here
3) Christmas trees were brought to the UK by Queen Victoria's German husband, it was a custom from his country not ours; therefore nobody knew or cared whether they had pagan origins.
It does not matterwhere they came from but as a religion Christianity spans more than just the UK
4) I don't see any muslim clerics anywhere up in arms at the Pakistan parliamentry proposals regarding execution for those leaving islam.
Has the church as a whole been condemning what the west is doing in the middle east. If you look into it I think you might find some people, even if they have to do it from abraod that are doing just that.
5) I don't see Bush as a terrorist, you are the first person I've come accross who calls him one.

There have been a few discussions on this forum where people have said just that but it does not matter.

[Get Real!]

5) I don't see Bush as a terrorist, you are the first person I've come accross who calls him one.

You can count me in aswell, I recon he's the mother of all terrorists!

[pitsilos]

you gotta admit londonstan adds a nice ring to it...it rolls of the tongue quite easy.

[QAMERSLAND]

Southner

Thanks for your another questions regarding Women.

you said that;s what religious leaders have been saying. tell me one of today's leading Islamic scholars who said it,

Dr Zakir Naik

Dr Bilal Philips

Yousuf Estes

Abdul Ramheem Green

Dr Israr Ahemad

Shaikh Ahmad Deedat

Dr Jamal Badwi

these are some of those who are the shoclar of present time, do not mention those religous scholar who are involved in the politics.

Ask that British lady Yvonne Ridley who was sent in Afghanistan to get informatiom about Taliban but she was taked hostage by Taliban for 7 days and when she was released, she read the Quran and became Muslim, Ask her how she was thinking about islam before and how good Taliban treated them and she was surprized and then accepted Islam.

about the women in Mosque, find me a single teaching of The Quran and Hadith that prohabits women to go in mosque

Prophet muhammad PBUH said that do not stop women to go in the mosques even if they want to go at night.

what you are talking is that some Mulims have misunderstood and do not allow,

i will say again refer to one inf the above scholar and then you will find what is truth?

regarding the dress for women, Quran Guide us how a man and woman shoud dress to protect their modesty, therefore if some one do not follow, it is a sin. i asked you a question that who are the best ladies among christians? they are female Priests. dont they dress they way Islam teaches?
Bible itself says women shoud me dress full

look arround you and think with logical, you will find the answer.


hope the answer of your question

[denizaksulu]

Bush is indeed no:1 Terrorist in the world.

[Eliko]

denizaksulu, I think Bush's actions are deserving of a title superior to 'Terrorist' since he is responsible for so much death and destruction in the world.

He unleashed his murderous bombardments on Iraq and labelled them 'Shock and Awe' tactics.

The resulting campaign has indeed produced the desired effects his words described and I therefore think he should be granted a singularly distinctive title.

How about 'Shock'n'Awerist' ?.

[miltiades]

5) I don't see Bush as a terrorist, you are the first person I've come accross who calls him one.

You can count me in aswell, I recon he's the mother of all terrorists!

You would say that GR wouldn't you. After all you are also a victim and a sufferer of the Americaniko daxtilo syndrome so prevalent in Cyprus.

[miltiades]

Bush is indeed no:1 Terrorist in the world.

My dear deni , this is how the Islamists portray Bush , how do you define a terrorist. I think you will agree that the vultures who brought death and destruction on September 11th to innocent people indiscriminately crushing the planes while shouting out obscenities were barbaric terrorists of the worst kind. What then in your analysis is it that makes a democratically elected President of the worlds number one superpower into a terrorist . Let us also include unquestionably the other barbaric terrorists of July 7th. These criminally perverted individuals were terrorists , how does Bush fit in of this.

[miltiades]

quamersland wrote:
"""""Ask that British lady Yvonne Ridley who was sent in Afghanistan to get informatiom about Taliban but she was taked hostage by Taliban for 7 days and when she was released, she read the Quran and became Muslim, Ask her how she was thinking about islam before and how good Taliban treated them and she was surprized and then accepted Islam. """"

Are you totaly brainwashed ? The Taliban who would execute women in football stadiums in front of thousands of people , these barbarians with prehistoric mentality would prohibit women from educating themselves , these medieval peasants who would beat women in public , and destroy ancient remnants of another civilization just because it was not Islamic.These are the people who have hijacked Islam and are portraying Islam as a non peaceful religion. When a bunch of perverted Christians in Bosnia were massacring the Muslims of Bosnia , the West did not flinch , did not ask what bloody religion the perpetrators were . They attacked them and put en end to the massacre of Muslims. The Taliban are nothing more than warlords who live in prehistoric times .
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[Damsi]

"How do you define a terrorist?"

"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government,
the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." - US Federal Bureau of Investigation

"The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter. He said the decision to take action in Iraq should have been made by the Security Council, not unilaterally." ie it was a "unlawful use of force or violence" as defined by the FBI.

The UN Charter's core principles contained in Article 2(4) and Article 51 prohibit one nation from attacking another except in self-defense or with the authority of the U.N.

Self defence is defined as responding to an IMMINENT threat or attack. Imminent is defined as "about to occur".

Was Iraq about to attack the US imminently?

911 was not the reason for the invasion of Iraq because it had nothing to do with it. Even Bush said that.

BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. They were …

QUESTION: What did Iraqi have to do with that?
BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing. . . . .Except for it’s part of — and nobody’s ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack.

August 2006

So the question remains. By legal definition, is Bush a terrorist or not?