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[JenLawler]

"Calm down , Calm down." ..Naaaaah, I don't get angry very easily..I'd rather laugh..But if you cross my path I do get gobby I suppose haha. I think it's just our accent that makes us sound more aggressive. We are some of the nicest funniest people. x

[zan]

Hello Zan,

The gentlemen's club is a social club whereas religion is a societal institution. On their faces, both may discriminate, but before you condemn one or the other, their purposes/intents and the damage they do to the good of society should be considered. Discrimination is not always bad. I teach my children to choose their friends with discrimination, meaning to choose friends who will make them better people as opposed to choosing friends who will make them degenerates.

One says that women have a certain role in society and the other that they are not equal in ability so what is the difference but words.

The former may be true, but the latter merely celebrates the differences between men and women, just as the Garden Club and Ladies' Club do.

Are both not part of a society and the way it thinks. I am not saying that one is not more advanced in its righting of the problem but I just wanted to show that iit is still alive. One is society the other society controled by religion.

[Southerner]

I think the same things in the UK were called Gentlemens clubs and the fight to allow all women into say Golf clubs is going on even today so I would think twice about condemning one culture above another because of religion.

This must be one of the most inept comparisons to date.
Firstly Islam is a religeon not a culture.
Women are not forced to become none particpating members of a gentlemens clubs and golf clubs only to be executed if the give up their membership.
In Pakistan right now an attempt is being put through parliament to make it punishable by death for converting from or leaving Islam. Some culture, some religeon.
Strangely enough I've never heard of an honour killing by an asian father against his son, it only seems to happen to daughters. Some culture, some religeon, so manly.
Cowards beat women (to quote the prophet, the weaker sex)not real men. Some culture, some religeon, so manly.

[Southerner]

Hello Zan,
The former may be true, but the latter merely celebrates the differences between men and women, just as the Garden Club and Ladies' Club do.

OK Zan
When was the last time or fist that a women was executed for resigning her membership of the Ladies Club?

[Southerner]

The Q'uran is therefore an absolute truth, one LETTER of alteration is not permitted and it is because of those facts that all the misunderstandings occur.

How convenient, so what have we to do, all learn arabic?

[Southerner]

Given that they accept the teachings of their Q'uran and practice them accordingly, I can see no reason why WE, (of other beliefs), should not afford them the same rights as we ourselves enjoy.

When the teachings of a religion conflict with laws of a sovereign state as islam appears to do what rights do you expect them to enjoy.
In Pakistan they have two legal systems, the law of the land and the law of islam, recently the islamic courts overuled the civil courts regarding a british muslim who was then sentenced to death.
The Anglican and RC cannot overule a British court you'd have every criminal rushing into church claiming sanctuary.
Come on be serious, islam is a middleages religion with arabian nights mentality.

[zan]

I think the same things in the UK were called Gentlemens clubs and the fight to allow all women into say Golf clubs is going on even today so I would think twice about condemning one culture above another because of religion.

This must be one of the most inept comparisons to date.
Firstly Islam is a religeon not a culture.
Women are not forced to become none particpating members of a gentlemens clubs and golf clubs only to be executed if the give up their membership.
In Pakistan right now an attempt is being put through parliament to make it punishable by death for converting from or leaving Islam. Some culture, some religeon.
Strangely enough I've never heard of an honour killing by an asian father against his son, it only seems to happen to daughters. Some culture, some religeon, so manly.
Cowards beat women (to quote the prophet, the weaker sex)not real men. Some culture, some religeon, so manly.

Can you point me to the part in the Koran that says that people should be killed if they convert or perhaps the Pakistanis are making it up as they go along. If you have read other posts of mine then you will know that I have no time for religion of any sort but to get yourself in a tiff because someone does something in the name of a religion is just madness. Was it not Bush that said that god was on his side in the fight against Saddam. He is now seen as the biggest terrorist around so is we to condemn Christianity because of that. The use of culture and religion are not a million miles from each other. The bible it self was written to bring all the cultures and the traditions together in one book and one religion or do you really believe that it was written with the hand of god.

I will use one example of how culture and religion is linked together in many ways. Take your Christmas tree for example. The tree it self was always outside the house and considered bad luck if brought into the house. The decorations on the tree are traditionally red because the original decorations were the intestines of the sacrificed animals to the gods so that they had plenty of lambs in the spring.

[aidy]

HA HA HA, Bloody HA.

I only read the first 3 pages of this topic and couldn't believe the amount of crap i read. and not to mention the contradictions.

something i didn't see mentioned. hopefully it was. The name Mohammed, which albeit may be the 2nd most popular name in the UK, is translated to what i am led to believe is 'son of', therefore most males of that religion will be called so due to traditions. having Jack as the most popular name, which is just a common name ( no offence to any Jack's out there) says a lot.

Karma, i hope you have left this forum, with all the postings on here, i am not sure what you are trying to do, but it seems a lot of it is to start arguements and mayham. kind of the opposite of your name suggests.

[Eliko]

Southerner, you ask if it is necessary to learn Arabic in order to understand the teachings of the Q'uran, surely you must appreciate that that is precisely what you must do.

How can you make an intelligent criticism of something you do not understand ?.

The reason for so much divergence in the faith of Islam is the result of misinterpretation and there lies the root of all the problems.

The teachings of the Q'uran, if followed, ensure peace and harmony to all mankind, it is unfair to condemn Islam on account of the actions of extremists who profess to be of the faith.

If Christians were to follow the commandments of THEIR faith, there would also be peace on earth, the fact that we do not does not give us the right to condemn the contents of the 'Holy Bible', it illustrates that we have become oblivious to the messages it gives us.

Where is the difference ?.

[Southerner]

Can you point me to the part in the Koran that says that people should be killed if they convert or perhaps the Pakistanis are making it up as they go along. If you have read other posts of mine then you will know that I have no time for religion of any sort but to get yourself in a tiff because someone does something in the name of a religion is just madness. Was it not Bush that said that god was on his side in the fight against Saddam. He is now seen as the biggest terrorist around so is we to condemn Christianity because of that. The use of culture and religion are not a million miles from each other. The bible it self was written to bring all the cultures and the traditions together in one book and one religion or do you really believe that it was written with the hand of god.
I will use one example of how culture and religion is linked together in many ways. Take your Christmas tree for example. The tree it self was always outside the house and considered bad luck if brought into the house. The decorations on the tree are traditionally red because the original decorations were the intestines of the sacrificed animals to the gods so that they had plenty of lambs in the spring.

1) Bush is not a Christian cleric, the vast majority of muslim atrocities are carried out on the orders and blessings of muslim clerics. Take a look at the inscription on Nazi belt buckles, a fat lot of good it did them.
2) Name one recognised religious leader of the Christian church involved in or promoting terrorism.
3) Christmas trees were brought to the UK by Queen Victoria's German husband, it was a custom from his country not ours; therefore nobody knew or cared whether they had pagan origins.
4) I don't see any muslim clerics anywhere up in arms at the Pakistan parliamentry proposals regarding execution for those leaving islam.
5) I don't see Bush as a terrorist, you are the first person I've come accross who calls him one.