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[boomerang]

Without acknowledging our wrongs and appologising for it,HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO RECIEVE FORGIVENESS,GR...?????

Both sides must do this...because pain and suffering cannot be calculated in numbers or who has suffered longest....All those who have suffered human rights violations has the right to expect an appology...to have their pain acknowledged....It is the only way forward...if forward is where we want to go...

What's happened to this BirKibrisli?
And what's happened to Talat's apology?

I am not responsible for what Talat does or does not,MP...
I stand by what I said above 3 years ago...I stand by everything I said for all those years...I have done my share of talking about my side's wrongs and appologising...My conscience is clear...Talat can worry about himself,he is a big boy...

But Bir, what you and I say is not important. What matters is what Christofias, Talat, Erdogan and Basbug say.

Christofias did his bit, why are you still harping on about the lack of any reconiliatory attempts when the man that represents us stands alone in this?

Talat is in a very difficult position,DT...He cannot make unilateral statements without Turkey's approval...Christofias is the president of the RoC,an independent and legally recognised entity,albeit illegal and immoral in most TC eyes...You cannot compare their two positions...

Also,the TCs know President X is going through the motions...If he meant what he said he would get up a Truth and Reconciliation commission and try to get to the bottom of all the attrocities his people committed in the past 60 years...They are just politicians playing politics...I wouldn't want to be in Talat's shoes for all the tea in China...

here is bir telling us talat, the leader intrusted to negotiate a plan, a plan for cyprus by cypriots, is unable to do jack shit, and at the same token can't see 2 inches form his nose...he along with bananiot think the annan plan was a realistic paln for a solution...unable to connect the dots that the only winner would have been turkey with cementing and gaining a lot more legally than what she has now...

here you bir, who do you think would have been controlling the strings of the north state if the annan plan got through?...

[Gabira]

ALERT: Making public admissions and/or apologies may hurt you…

As much as you may have good intentions to make victims of past political events feel better by publicly expressing admissions of blame and/or apologies on behalf of past perpetrators, I STRONGLY URGE all my compatriots to please refrain from doing so because unfortunately you concurrently arm the enemies of Cyprus; those that aim to compromise the sovereignty of your country, with valuable propaganda material that can and may be used against your country to attain exactly the opposite of what you aim with such expressions.

Regards, GR.

Having a nervous moment are we ?

[BirKibrisli]

Without acknowledging our wrongs and appologising for it,HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO RECIEVE FORGIVENESS,GR...?????

Both sides must do this...because pain and suffering cannot be calculated in numbers or who has suffered longest....All those who have suffered human rights violations has the right to expect an appology...to have their pain acknowledged....It is the only way forward...if forward is where we want to go...

What's happened to this BirKibrisli?
And what's happened to Talat's apology?

I am not responsible for what Talat does or does not,MP...
I stand by what I said above 3 years ago...I stand by everything I said for all those years...I have done my share of talking about my side's wrongs and appologising...My conscience is clear...Talat can worry about himself,he is a big boy...

But Bir, what you and I say is not important. What matters is what Christofias, Talat, Erdogan and Basbug say.

Christofias did his bit, why are you still harping on about the lack of any reconiliatory attempts when the man that represents us stands alone in this?

Talat is in a very difficult position,DT...He cannot make unilateral statements without Turkey's approval...Christofias is the president of the RoC,an independent and legally recognised entity,albeit illegal and immoral in most TC eyes...You cannot compare their two positions...

Also,the TCs know President X is going through the motions...If he meant what he said he would get up a Truth and Reconciliation commission and try to get to the bottom of all the attrocities his people committed in the past 60 years...They are just politicians playing politics...I wouldn't want to be in Talat's shoes for all the tea in China...

Hi Bir. Surely we must expect one potentially good thing above all else from politicians, and it doesn't matter who they are, or where they are from, or what conditions they operate under, and that's that they should show that they have the courage of their convictions, in Talat's case by speaking up for those who supported him, by speaking up for those thousands and thousands of tissies who marched and agitated a few years ago and brought an end to the miserable Donktosh approach.

A reminder that we will all have seen some very brave politicians all over the world do this sort of thing, over the years, who have stood up and spoken out against far, far worse and really despotic, military regimes at great risk to life and liberty.

(Don't agree with Truth and Recon Commissions, think a lot of thugs should have their arses dragged before the usual and proper courts.)

Bill,Talat has disappointed even his most vocal supporters during his reign as President of the trnc...He has shown himself to be more interested in hanging on to power for as long as possible than making a moral or courageous stand on principles...Having said that,he was elected with the support of the Erdogan government and had little freedom to put his own stamp on things...Under the circumstances no TC leader could ahve done anything differently...When you are totally dependent for your physical and financial survival on someone else,that person pulls your strings,Sad but true...The RoC is ripping the fruits of her shortsighted approach to the TCs in the North...And a few words of appology will not be enough to fix the damage...

[boomerang]

Without acknowledging our wrongs and appologising for it,HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO RECIEVE FORGIVENESS,GR...?????

Both sides must do this...because pain and suffering cannot be calculated in numbers or who has suffered longest....All those who have suffered human rights violations has the right to expect an appology...to have their pain acknowledged....It is the only way forward...if forward is where we want to go...

What's happened to this BirKibrisli?
And what's happened to Talat's apology?

I am not responsible for what Talat does or does not,MP...
I stand by what I said above 3 years ago...I stand by everything I said for all those years...I have done my share of talking about my side's wrongs and appologising...My conscience is clear...Talat can worry about himself,he is a big boy...

But Bir, what you and I say is not important. What matters is what Christofias, Talat, Erdogan and Basbug say.

Christofias did his bit, why are you still harping on about the lack of any reconiliatory attempts when the man that represents us stands alone in this?

Talat is in a very difficult position,DT...He cannot make unilateral statements without Turkey's approval...Christofias is the president of the RoC,an independent and legally recognised entity,albeit illegal and immoral in most TC eyes...You cannot compare their two positions...

Also,the TCs know President X is going through the motions...If he meant what he said he would get up a Truth and Reconciliation commission and try to get to the bottom of all the attrocities his people committed in the past 60 years...They are just politicians playing politics...I wouldn't want to be in Talat's shoes for all the tea in China...

Hi Bir. Surely we must expect one potentially good thing above all else from politicians, and it doesn't matter who they are, or where they are from, or what conditions they operate under, and that's that they should show that they have the courage of their convictions, in Talat's case by speaking up for those who supported him, by speaking up for those thousands and thousands of tissies who marched and agitated a few years ago and brought an end to the miserable Donktosh approach.

A reminder that we will all have seen some very brave politicians all over the world do this sort of thing, over the years, who have stood up and spoken out against far, far worse and really despotic, military regimes at great risk to life and liberty.

(Don't agree with Truth and Recon Commissions, think a lot of thugs should have their arses dragged before the usual and proper courts.)

Bill,Talat has disappointed even his most vocal supporters during his reign as President of the trnc...He has shown himself to be more interested in hanging on to power for as long as possible than making a moral or courageous stand on principles...Having said that,he was elected with the support of the Erdogan government and had little freedom to put his own stamp on things...Under the circumstances no TC leader could ahve done anything differently...When you are totally dependent for your physical and financial survival on someone else,that person pulls your strings,Sad but true...The RoC is ripping the fruits of her shortsighted approach to the TCs in the North...And a few words of appology will not be enough to fix the damage...

come out and say it bir...talat is a clown...a puppet on a string...safeguarding turkey's interests....to the extend that he puts ridiculous propositions forward making him a dick in front of honest tcs...

[Paphitis]

Without acknowledging our wrongs and appologising for it,HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO RECIEVE FORGIVENESS,GR...?????

Both sides must do this...because pain and suffering cannot be calculated in numbers or who has suffered longest....All those who have suffered human rights violations has the right to expect an appology...to have their pain acknowledged....It is the only way forward...if forward is where we want to go...

What's happened to this BirKibrisli?
And what's happened to Talat's apology?

I am not responsible for what Talat does or does not,MP...
I stand by what I said above 3 years ago...I stand by everything I said for all those years...I have done my share of talking about my side's wrongs and appologising...My conscience is clear...Talat can worry about himself,he is a big boy...

But Bir, what you and I say is not important. What matters is what Christofias, Talat, Erdogan and Basbug say.

Christofias did his bit, why are you still harping on about the lack of any reconiliatory attempts when the man that represents us stands alone in this?

Talat is in a very difficult position,DT...He cannot make unilateral statements without Turkey's approval...Christofias is the president of the RoC,an independent and legally recognised entity,albeit illegal and immoral in most TC eyes...You cannot compare their two positions...

Also,the TCs know President X is going through the motions...If he meant what he said he would get up a Truth and Reconciliation commission and try to get to the bottom of all the attrocities his people committed in the past 60 years...They are just politicians playing politics...I wouldn't want to be in Talat's shoes for all the tea in China...

Hi Bir. Surely we must expect one potentially good thing above all else from politicians, and it doesn't matter who they are, or where they are from, or what conditions they operate under, and that's that they should show that they have the courage of their convictions, in Talat's case by speaking up for those who supported him, by speaking up for those thousands and thousands of tissies who marched and agitated a few years ago and brought an end to the miserable Donktosh approach.

A reminder that we will all have seen some very brave politicians all over the world do this sort of thing, over the years, who have stood up and spoken out against far, far worse and really despotic, military regimes at great risk to life and liberty.

(Don't agree with Truth and Recon Commissions, think a lot of thugs should have their arses dragged before the usual and proper courts.)

Bill,Talat has disappointed even his most vocal supporters during his reign as President of the trnc...He has shown himself to be more interested in hanging on to power for as long as possible than making a moral or courageous stand on principles...Having said that,he was elected with the support of the Erdogan government and had little freedom to put his own stamp on things...Under the circumstances no TC leader could ahve done anything differently...When you are totally dependent for your physical and financial survival on someone else,that person pulls your strings,Sad but true...The RoC is ripping the fruits of her shortsighted approach to the TCs in the North...And a few words of appology will not be enough to fix the damage...

The RoC is fighting the occupation any way it can.

Anything else is just capitulation to Turkey!

[boomerang]

bir can't understand or maybe unable to connect the dots...for plan to be accepted by turkey, turkey needs to cement and expand on her gains...otherwise she can endorse democracy, human rights and the rule of law today and get over and done with it...but this is not happening is it bir?...

turkey made sure that any plan put forward that does not suit her will not get through...via the settlers and via influence...

the roc should be negotiating with turkey directly, and one she will, when it will turkey's best interest...today it doen't suit turkey, thats all...

[Malapapa]

Without acknowledging our wrongs and appologising for it,HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO RECIEVE FORGIVENESS,GR...?????

Both sides must do this...because pain and suffering cannot be calculated in numbers or who has suffered longest....All those who have suffered human rights violations has the right to expect an appology...to have their pain acknowledged....It is the only way forward...if forward is where we want to go...

What's happened to this BirKibrisli?
And what's happened to Talat's apology?

I am not responsible for what Talat does or does not,MP...
I stand by what I said above 3 years ago...I stand by everything I said for all those years...I have done my share of talking about my side's wrongs and appologising...My conscience is clear...Talat can worry about himself,he is a big boy...

But Bir, what you and I say is not important. What matters is what Christofias, Talat, Erdogan and Basbug say.

Christofias did his bit, why are you still harping on about the lack of any reconiliatory attempts when the man that represents us stands alone in this?

Talat is in a very difficult position,DT...He cannot make unilateral statements without Turkey's approval...Christofias is the president of the RoC,an independent and legally recognised entity,albeit illegal and immoral in most TC eyes...You cannot compare their two positions...

Also,the TCs know President X is going through the motions...If he meant what he said he would get up a Truth and Reconciliation commission and try to get to the bottom of all the attrocities his people committed in the past 60 years...They are just politicians playing politics...I wouldn't want to be in Talat's shoes for all the tea in China...

Hi Bir. Surely we must expect one potentially good thing above all else from politicians, and it doesn't matter who they are, or where they are from, or what conditions they operate under, and that's that they should show that they have the courage of their convictions, in Talat's case by speaking up for those who supported him, by speaking up for those thousands and thousands of tissies who marched and agitated a few years ago and brought an end to the miserable Donktosh approach.

A reminder that we will all have seen some very brave politicians all over the world do this sort of thing, over the years, who have stood up and spoken out against far, far worse and really despotic, military regimes at great risk to life and liberty.

(Don't agree with Truth and Recon Commissions, think a lot of thugs should have their arses dragged before the usual and proper courts.)

Bill,Talat has disappointed even his most vocal supporters during his reign as President of the trnc...He has shown himself to be more interested in hanging on to power for as long as possible than making a moral or courageous stand on principles...Having said that,he was elected with the support of the Erdogan government and had little freedom to put his own stamp on things...Under the circumstances no TC leader could ahve done anything differently...When you are totally dependent for your physical and financial survival on someone else,that person pulls your strings,Sad but true...The RoC is ripping the fruits of her shortsighted approach to the TCs in the North...And a few words of appology will not be enough to fix the damage...

An apology was a good start but Turkey wouldn't allow it to go any further by allowing Talat to reciprocate. Why is that do you think?

And given this, what will be enough to fix the damage? Accept an accommodation with a violent, unapologetic, foreign aggressor like Turkey - which no other EU or civilised country would countenance for itself? Are you nuts? - because Cypriots free from Turkey's grubby paws certainly aren't.

How will doing so 'fix the damage', exactly? What guarantee is there that matters won't worsen if we legitimise the interference of an uncompromising regional bully in Cypriot affairs by giving Turkey guarantee rights?

The Turkish Reich needs to be neutred before the damage can be fixed.

[Me Ed]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

Talat will never apologise because Turkey's strategy is to present the TCs as victims in the misguided hope that the world will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

[Malapapa]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

Talat will never apologise because Turkey's strategy is to present the TCs as victims in the misguided hope that the world will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

As a strategy, it's laughable. And Turkey's strategy coincides exactly with that of BirKibrisli; present the TCs as nothing other than victims - with no responsibility for their own actions, past or present - in the misguided hope that free Cypriots will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

Turkey and BirKibrisli - arse and breeches.

[Get Real!]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

My concern from 2007, was proven correct on more than one occasion!