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[Malapapa]

Me Ed its this "time" that we are worried about this interim fix as you put is what is necessary to gain time and develop under a BBF with a political balance that will show both sides that we can live and work together where everyone can prosper without one side dominating or discriminating against the other. The Turkish guarantee is just our security net for if things should go wrong, if the Gcs are certain that that have no hidden agendas that will activate this guarantee then surely it will become a redundent condition from day 1 but at least it will help the TCs get rid of the TA from the island which is one of your red lines.

VP we are in agreement here and I sincerely thank you for this exchange.

There will come a point in time in the future when we will all live together AND Turkey will be a full member of the EU, bring peace and prosperity to the region.

Thank you as well for being so open and frank, I am more pesamistic and cautious thinking that due to the obviousl chasm that exsists there is no solution on the cards...the status quo is as good as it will get.

“A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” Winston Churchill

[repulsewarrior]

Well I found this link to a turkish newspaper that our Tim provided sometime ago. the Tcs can read it, and Tim kindly did the translation, here

....." Rum Yönetimi Baskani eski komünist Hristofyas, 50 yillik Sorun'un tarihinde görülmemis tavirlar sergiledi. Bati dünyasinin en çok oy alan partisi konumundaki AKEL(Emekçi Halkin Ilerici Partisi) liderliginden toplum liderligine yükselen Hristofyas, bir konusmasinda, '1963 ile 1974 arasinda olanlardan dolayi, Kibris cumhurbaskani olarak, Kibrisli Türkler'den özür diliyorum' dedi. Ne hikmetse, bu ifade Türkiye'de yanki bulamadi.... "

http://www.porttakal.com/haber-kitaplar ... 09747.html
(link courtesy of Tim Drayton in another thread)

"I as Cyprus president apologise to Turkish Cypriots for what happened between 1963 and 1974."

Now where is Talat's apology.

Why should President Talat apologise?

vp,

...i remember solomou.

even if the authorities were protecting their flag at any cost, a UN soldier was injured in the events which followed, so too other innocent victims.
the parallel is not too hard to understand.

your denial, as a result, only compounds the corruption that comes with such ignorance. unable to look at the flaws in this administration's competance allows for its growing weakness. in few words, "your army" and "your governance" is not improved, its discipline is poorer for it.

[Malapapa]

You are going to starve Turkey out of Cyprus...???
Let me have a good laugh first...

Would you be laughing if and when it happens? Or are you really a collaborator?

That's better...Now would you right to elaborate on that? I promise to keep a straight face...

Just do a search on Cyprus, in "Google news" each day and follow the progress. The recent victory in the High Court was....

...not the end. It was not even the beginning of the end. But it was, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

it is nice to dream...It doesn't cost anything...

Liberation is a dream pursued until it is realised.

But I asked this before and got no response...You might like to have a go...When the last GC refugee won his/her last case in courts...What then???

Turkey will be bankrupt.

The Turkish Army would still be there...What will you do about that???

Turkey's army will be starving.

Sorry,I forgot about that...

But...I wonder...If the Turkish Army was starving...what would their last action be ,just before they fall over...

Beg forgiveness. (Like Talat should have done, to reciprocate the apology of Christofias). And the Cypriots will give it to them, before giving them something to eat and packing the poor boys off back to their mothers in Anatolia.

Can I ask a personal question,Malapapa??? How old are you???

Don't patronise me. And don't intimidate either with the Turkish Army. Cypriots fighting for their freedom are well aware of what these hired killers are capable of.

[BirKibrisli]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

Talat will never apologise because Turkey's strategy is to present the TCs as victims in the misguided hope that the world will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

As a strategy, it's laughable. And Turkey's strategy coincides exactly with that of BirKibrisli; present the TCs as nothing other than victims - with no responsibility for their own actions, past or present - in the misguided hope that free Cypriots will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

Turkey and BirKibrisli - arse and breeches.

Do you have a beter idea for removing Turkey from Cyprus?
Lets hear it...

Vurdum duymazin biridir.

[BirKibrisli]

You are going to starve Turkey out of Cyprus...???
Let me have a good laugh first...

Would you be laughing if and when it happens? Or are you really a collaborator?

That's better...Now would you right to elaborate on that? I promise to keep a straight face...

Just do a search on Cyprus, in "Google news" each day and follow the progress. The recent victory in the High Court was....

...not the end. It was not even the beginning of the end. But it was, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

it is nice to dream...It doesn't cost anything...

Liberation is a dream pursued until it is realised.

But I asked this before and got no response...You might like to have a go...When the last GC refugee won his/her last case in courts...What then???

Turkey will be bankrupt.

The Turkish Army would still be there...What will you do about that???

Turkey's army will be starving.

Sorry,I forgot about that...

But...I wonder...If the Turkish Army was starving...what would their last action be ,just before they fall over...

Beg forgiveness. (Like Talat should have done, to reciprocate the apology of Christofias). And the Cypriots will give it to them, before giving them something to eat and packing the poor boys off back to their mothers in Anatolia.

Can I ask a personal question,Malapapa??? How old are you???

Don't patronise me. And don't intimidate either with the Turkish Army. Cypriots fighting for their freedom are well aware of what these hired killers are capable of.

You have to make up your mind...Are they "hired killers" or are they "poor boys" who deserve their mothers' care...You forgot to tell me your age,MP...Are you ashamed of it?

[Malapapa]

You have to make up your mind...Are they "hired killers" or are they "poor boys" who deserve their mothers' care...

Why can't they be both? Poor boys in particular need to make a living somehow.

You forgot to tell me your age,MP...Are you ashamed of it?

I've no control over my age, so no. What's it to you how old I am?

[yialousa1971]

Without acknowledging our wrongs and appologising for it,HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO RECIEVE FORGIVENESS,GR...?????

Both sides must do this...because pain and suffering cannot be calculated in numbers or who has suffered longest....All those who have suffered human rights violations has the right to expect an appology...to have their pain acknowledged....It is the only way forward...if forward is where we want to go...

What's happened to this BirKibrisli?
And what's happened to Talat's apology?

Have you ever known the Turks to apologise? Even recognizing their crimes will never happen.

As GR! says, (paraphrased) let's not even engage in this humanly way with these embarrassments of civilisation.

Let's just focus on removing their disgusting influence from our lands and future generations, once and for all ....

Tourkos kalos? Where?

In the cemetery?

Aren't they naughty there too?

Any news of our beloved deceased Ex-President's body-snatchers ....

Oh look!

Two people sharing 2 brain cells between them having an intellectual conversation. How heart warming!

Well, you'll have to get one if you want to join us!

Paphitis hasn't got a brain anymore, it's now in a goldfish bowl on Alex Downer's desk.

[YFred]

Without acknowledging our wrongs and appologising for it,HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO RECIEVE FORGIVENESS,GR...?????

Both sides must do this...because pain and suffering cannot be calculated in numbers or who has suffered longest....All those who have suffered human rights violations has the right to expect an appology...to have their pain acknowledged....It is the only way forward...if forward is where we want to go...

What's happened to this BirKibrisli?
And what's happened to Talat's apology?

Have you ever known the Turks to apologise? Even recognizing their crimes will never happen.

As GR! says, (paraphrased) let's not even engage in this humanly way with these embarrassments of civilisation.

Let's just focus on removing their disgusting influence from our lands and future generations, once and for all ....

Tourkos kalos? Where?

In the cemetery?

Aren't they naughty there too?

Any news of our beloved deceased Ex-President's body-snatchers ....

Oh look!

Two people sharing 2 brain cells between them having an intellectual conversation. How heart warming!

Well, you'll have to get one if you want to join us!

Paphitis hasn't got a brain anymore, it's now in a goldfish bowl on Alex Downer's desk.

Ear, hands of my friend bafidobullo, he has brain you just need a magnifying glass to see it. Where is the nanometer technician when you need him.

[fwnh]

so what you're saying is stop telling the truth cause it hurts... nice title!!

[Malapapa]

so what you're saying is stop telling the truth cause it hurts... nice title!!

The leader of the TCs won't even be allowed to start to reciprocate by Turkey... If he has any real dignity and desire for a solution, this hurts him and his people even more.