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You are going to starve Turkey out of Cyprus...???
Let me have a good laugh first...

Would you be laughing if and when it happens? Or are you really a collaborator?

That's better...Now would you right to elaborate on that? I promise to keep a straight face...

Just do a search on Cyprus, in "Google news" each day and follow the progress. The recent victory in the High Court was....

...not the end. It was not even the beginning of the end. But it was, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

it is nice to dream...It doesn't cost anything...

Liberation is a dream pursued until it is realised.

But I asked this before and got no response...You might like to have a go...When the last GC refugee won his/her last case in courts...What then???

Turkey will be bankrupt.

The Turkish Army would still be there...What will you do about that???

Turkey's army will be starving.

Sorry,I forgot about that...

But...I wonder...If the Turkish Army was starving...what would their last action be ,just before they fall over...

Beg forgiveness. (Like Talat should have done, to reciprocate the apology of Christofias). And the Cypriots will give it to them, before giving them something to eat and packing the poor boys off back to their mothers in Anatolia.

Now I know you are really joking , no body can be this stupid.

[Me Ed]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

Talat will never apologise because Turkey's strategy is to present the TCs as victims in the misguided hope that the world will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

As a strategy, it's laughable. And Turkey's strategy coincides exactly with that of BirKibrisli; present the TCs as nothing other than victims - with no responsibility for their own actions, past or present - in the misguided hope that free Cypriots will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

Turkey and BirKibrisli - arse and breeches.

Do you have a beter idea for removing Turkey from Cyprus?
Lets hear it...

I have an idea.

Turkey sends ships and aircraft to transport it's troops and equipment back home - they could be gone in a couple of months.

Why would the do that, for one the TCs dont want them to go unless we agree a comprehensive solution.

How about the TCs then become citizens of the RoC.

Administratively this should be simple as I understand you all have RoC passports.

Then every Cypriot citizen above the age of 18 is eligible to vote in local, national and european elections.

And what would that give us?

Exactly the same rights as every Cypriot citizen, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Bhuddist, black, white, straight, gay, transexual, able bodied, disabled, etc.

What more could you possibly want?

Not being forced to live in a GC state run by GC "majority" but given the freedom to choose between 2 states north and south, to live and administer ourselves and not be exposed to GC domination which we can all see from the is forum how much still thrives today and would cause us to become foreigners in our own country.

If you remove labels like GC and TC then we can all get along fine being known as Cypriots and we can all live happily in a country run by a Cypriot majority.

If I was to go out to buy groceries, and a shop run by a TC family sold its items cheaper, your average GC would probably do their shopping there.

If I was voting, and a TC stood for election and had far better policies then you never know...

[BirKibrisli]

You are going to starve Turkey out of Cyprus...???
Let me have a good laugh first...

Would you be laughing if and when it happens? Or are you really a collaborator?

That's better...Now would you right to elaborate on that? I promise to keep a straight face...

Just do a search on Cyprus, in "Google news" each day and follow the progress. The recent victory in the High Court was....

...not the end. It was not even the beginning of the end. But it was, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

it is nice to dream...It doesn't cost anything...

Liberation is a dream pursued until it is realised.

But I asked this before and got no response...You might like to have a go...When the last GC refugee won his/her last case in courts...What then???

Turkey will be bankrupt.

The Turkish Army would still be there...What will you do about that???

Turkey's army will be starving.

Sorry,I forgot about that...

But...I wonder...If the Turkish Army was starving...what would their last action be ,just before they fall over...

Beg forgiveness. (Like Talat should have done, to reciprocate the apology of Christofias). And the Cypriots will give it to them, before giving them something to eat and packing the poor boys off back to their mothers in Anatolia.

Can I ask a personal question,Malapapa??? How old are you???

[Viewpoint]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

Talat will never apologise because Turkey's strategy is to present the TCs as victims in the misguided hope that the world will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

As a strategy, it's laughable. And Turkey's strategy coincides exactly with that of BirKibrisli; present the TCs as nothing other than victims - with no responsibility for their own actions, past or present - in the misguided hope that free Cypriots will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

Turkey and BirKibrisli - arse and breeches.

Do you have a beter idea for removing Turkey from Cyprus?
Lets hear it...

I have an idea.

Turkey sends ships and aircraft to transport it's troops and equipment back home - they could be gone in a couple of months.

Why would the do that, for one the TCs dont want them to go unless we agree a comprehensive solution.

How about the TCs then become citizens of the RoC.

Administratively this should be simple as I understand you all have RoC passports.

Then every Cypriot citizen above the age of 18 is eligible to vote in local, national and european elections.

And what would that give us?

Exactly the same rights as every Cypriot citizen, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Bhuddist, black, white, straight, gay, transexual, able bodied, disabled, etc.

What more could you possibly want?

Not being forced to live in a GC state run by GC "majority" but given the freedom to choose between 2 states north and south, to live and administer ourselves and not be exposed to GC domination which we can all see from the is forum how much still thrives today and would cause us to become foreigners in our own country.

If you remove labels like GC and TC then we can all get along fine being known as Cypriots and we can all live happily in a country run by a Cypriot majority.

If I was to go out to buy groceries, and a shop run by a TC family sold its items cheaper, your average GC would probably do their shopping there.

If I was voting, and a TC stood for election and had far better policies then you never know...

This is all fine and dandy but you are not the ones jumping into the fire, what if things dont work that way and we TCs dont get a look in either way, what ever we do if the voting population is 80% GC with known racists tendancies we will be at risk of being dominated and discriminated against, we need safeguards and guarantees under a BBF with a political equality stabilizer that will make sure we are never again pushed to one side.

[Malapapa]

This is all fine and dandy but you are not the ones jumping into the fire, what if things dont work that way and we TCs dont get a look in either way, what ever we do if the voting population is 80% GC with known racists tendancies we will be at risk of being dominated and discriminated against, we need safeguards and guarantees under a BBF with a political equality stabilizer that will make sure we are never again pushed to one side.

Insisting the people of Cyprus have racist tendancies, more so than civilised people anywhere else in the world, is racist; and makes you a target for abuse. Stop it.

[Me Ed]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

Talat will never apologise because Turkey's strategy is to present the TCs as victims in the misguided hope that the world will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

As a strategy, it's laughable. And Turkey's strategy coincides exactly with that of BirKibrisli; present the TCs as nothing other than victims - with no responsibility for their own actions, past or present - in the misguided hope that free Cypriots will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

Turkey and BirKibrisli - arse and breeches.

Do you have a beter idea for removing Turkey from Cyprus?
Lets hear it...

I have an idea.

Turkey sends ships and aircraft to transport it's troops and equipment back home - they could be gone in a couple of months.

Why would the do that, for one the TCs dont want them to go unless we agree a comprehensive solution.

How about the TCs then become citizens of the RoC.

Administratively this should be simple as I understand you all have RoC passports.

Then every Cypriot citizen above the age of 18 is eligible to vote in local, national and european elections.

And what would that give us?

Exactly the same rights as every Cypriot citizen, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Bhuddist, black, white, straight, gay, transexual, able bodied, disabled, etc.

What more could you possibly want?

Not being forced to live in a GC state run by GC "majority" but given the freedom to choose between 2 states north and south, to live and administer ourselves and not be exposed to GC domination which we can all see from the is forum how much still thrives today and would cause us to become foreigners in our own country.

If you remove labels like GC and TC then we can all get along fine being known as Cypriots and we can all live happily in a country run by a Cypriot majority.

If I was to go out to buy groceries, and a shop run by a TC family sold its items cheaper, your average GC would probably do their shopping there.

If I was voting, and a TC stood for election and had far better policies then you never know...

This is all fine and dandy but you are not the ones jumping into the fire, what if things dont work that way and we TCs dont get a look in either way, what ever we do if the voting population is 80% GC with known racists tendancies we will be at risk of being dominated and discriminated against, we need safeguards and guarantees under a BBF with a political equality stabilizer that will make sure we are never again pushed to one side.

Racists, bigots, extremists exist everywhere in this world and its going to take a some forward thinking people to make this work.

Whilst I think a BBF with political equality would be an interim "fix", you do realise that the probablity for its long term survival is slim to none with or without Turkish guarantees.

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Me Ed its this "time" that we are worried about this interim fix as you put is what is necessary to gain time and develop under a BBF with a political balance that will show both sides that we can live and work together where everyone can prosper without one side dominating or discriminating against the other. The Turkish guarantee is just our security net for if things should go wrong, if the Gcs are certain that that have no hidden agendas that will activate this guarantee then surely it will become a redundent condition from day 1 but at least it will help the TCs get rid of the TA from the island which is one of your red lines.

[Me Ed]

Me Ed its this "time" that we are worried about this interim fix as you put is what is necessary to gain time and develop under a BBF with a political balance that will show both sides that we can live and work together where everyone can prosper without one side dominating or discriminating against the other. The Turkish guarantee is just our security net for if things should go wrong, if the Gcs are certain that that have no hidden agendas that will activate this guarantee then surely it will become a redundent condition from day 1 but at least it will help the TCs get rid of the TA from the island which is one of your red lines.

VP we are in agreement here and I sincerely thank you for this exchange.

There will come a point in time in the future when we will all live together AND Turkey will be a full member of the EU, bring peace and prosperity to the region.

[Viewpoint]

Me Ed its this "time" that we are worried about this interim fix as you put is what is necessary to gain time and develop under a BBF with a political balance that will show both sides that we can live and work together where everyone can prosper without one side dominating or discriminating against the other. The Turkish guarantee is just our security net for if things should go wrong, if the Gcs are certain that that have no hidden agendas that will activate this guarantee then surely it will become a redundent condition from day 1 but at least it will help the TCs get rid of the TA from the island which is one of your red lines.

VP we are in agreement here and I sincerely thank you for this exchange.

There will come a point in time in the future when we will all live together AND Turkey will be a full member of the EU, bring peace and prosperity to the region.

Thank you as well for being so open and frank, I am more pesamistic and cautious thinking that due to the obviousl chasm that exsists there is no solution on the cards...the status quo is as good as it will get.

[denizaksulu]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this thread ...

Talat will never apologise because Turkey's strategy is to present the TCs as victims in the misguided hope that the world will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

As a strategy, it's laughable. And Turkey's strategy coincides exactly with that of BirKibrisli; present the TCs as nothing other than victims - with no responsibility for their own actions, past or present - in the misguided hope that free Cypriots will acknowledge this and grant recognition to a TC state.

Turkey and BirKibrisli - arse and breeches.

Do you have a beter idea for removing Turkey from Cyprus?
Lets hear it...

Vurdum duymazin biridir.