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[zan]

Still claiming that your cause and suffering is greater than mine GR. I would be more than glad to hear your stories and interseted too. I have no doubt about how horrific it must have all been and need no convincing on that point at all. What I ask you to do is imagine what it must be like to suffer an identity loss for over 30 years. What I want from you is the same understanding of how it must have felt to be a Turk in limbo. Although there were many people that were driven out of villages they never really lost their identity and that is exactly what happened to us as a race. We have found our selves only recently and we do not want to lose that again and I ask you to appreciate how important that is. We will now get the Birs that will say that we are losing oour identity to Turkey but that is part of our make up and as tragic as it may seem to him it is still a comfort to me and it seems many TCs. We are Cypriot Turks and no one can take that from us. All the ones that are born on the island are Cypriot Turks and they will be able to trace their ancestors back to Turkey far easier than I can.

So you have finally let the cat out of the bag,Cypriot Turk Zan...
You are no longer a Turkish Cypriot....You have denounced your Cypriotness...You want to be a Turk who accidently happened to be born in Cyprus....So Cyprus is nothing but a bit of geography for you...I have asked this before and I will ask it again. If you have denounced your Cypriotness then why do you insist on having a Turkish state in Cyprus???
Why don't you go and live in the real and powerful Turkish state just across the sea,where you will feel very secure amongst your 75 Million Turkish brothers and sisters (give or a take 25Million Kurds and other minorities)???? Why do you insist on bullying a small nation of Cypriots,
depriving hundreds of thousands of them from their human rights,and raping and pillaging 37% of another country?????

As far as I am concerned you have lost the right to live in Cyprus or have anything to do with Cypriotness...When the solution comes and all Cypriot Turks have to return to their motherland,I hope you will have the decency to go with them...Becasue I for one will make sure people like you will not have their cake and eat it too,in a united Cyprus...That is a promise...

Congratulations my Greek friend you have earned that title because you are now the mouthpiece of the Greek propaganda machine with the sound bites that are used by them on a regular basis.
I have denounced nothing and your trickery is about as effective as a chocolate fireguard. You seem to think that because you have unofficially defined what you THINK to be a Cypriot that the rest of us will have to fit into that small definition. What I have denounced though is the Greek definition of Cypriotness that you have subscribed to. If you look to the north you will see hundreds of thousands of people that have their own definition because they were not allowed to have the definition that the Zurich agreement made for them. They made one final attempt at redefining a Cypriotness in which all would be welcome and unification would be possible but because it did not leave enough room for the Greek definition to rein supreme it was unceremoniously sabotaged long before it was voted on.


My 37% of the country in which my people and I define what it is to b e a Cypriot is in protest to what the "ROC" has done to underhandedly gain the official status it has today. You have admitted many times that the process was not totally a fair and just way to have achieved what they did but never the less you subscribe to it.
Have you seen the news lately about what Poland has done to Germany because Germany wants to effectively take control of the EU? They have brought up the war and how unfair it is that Germany killed millions of Polish people and now claim numerical supremacy. The polish people now say that they would have over 60 million people if the Germans had not killed them. If you remember back a little while you will remember the same fact the I put to Kifeas. We would number very many more than we are today if we were not forced out of our country and our Cypriotness so stop this shit about who you think is a Cypriot and who is not. Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to call myself? Makarios tried that one and supposedly died of a heart attack so make sure you keep your blood pressure down. Me, my people and my government will define what a Cypriot is in the 37% of an island that is my birthright and in which I have been persecuted and driven out of so people like you can tell me that I am not a Cypriot because I choose to also be a Turk. I think if you were to be able to ask him, Makarios and Sampson and Grevas would tell you that that is the very reason why they tried to persecute and murder and drive out my people, because they are Turkish and the persecutors Greek.

[miltiades]

Zombie wrote:

""""""""that is the very reason why they tried to persecute and murder and drive out my people, because they are Turkish and the persecutors Greek."""""

Are you talking about the 200 thousand Cypriots whose homes and land are being sold to foreign investors Zan ??

[zan]

Zombie wrote:

""""""""that is the very reason why they tried to persecute and murder and drive out my people, because they are Turkish and the persecutors Greek."""""

Are you talking about the 200 thousand Cypriots whose homes and land are being sold to foreign investors Zan ??

Care to tell me what is happening and has always happened to TC intersets in Cyprus my tippled friend or are you just interested in your lot???

[BirKibrisli]

Congratulations my Greek friend you have earned that title because you are now the mouthpiece of the Greek propaganda machine with the sound bites that are used by them on a regular basis.
I have denounced nothing and your trickery is about as effective as a chocolate fireguard. You seem to think that because you have unofficially defined what you THINK to be a Cypriot that the rest of us will have to fit into that small definition. What I have denounced though is the Greek definition of Cypriotness that you have subscribed to. If you look to the north you will see hundreds of thousands of people that have their own definition because they were not allowed to have the definition that the Zurich agreement made for them. They made one final attempt at redefining a Cypriotness in which all would be welcome and unification would be possible but because it did not leave enough room for the Greek definition to rein supreme it was unceremoniously sabotaged long before it was voted on.


My 37% of the country in which my people and I define what it is to b e a Cypriot is in protest to what the "ROC" has done to underhandedly gain the official status it has today. You have admitted many times that the process was not totally a fair and just way to have achieved what they did but never the less you subscribe to it.
Have you seen the news lately about what Poland has done to Germany because Germany wants to effectively take control of the EU? They have brought up the war and how unfair it is that Germany killed millions of Polish people and now claim numerical supremacy. The polish people now say that they would have over 60 million people if the Germans had not killed them. If you remember back a little while you will remember the same fact the I put to Kifeas. We would number very many more than we are today if we were not forced out of our country and our Cypriotness so stop this shit about who you think is a Cypriot and who is not. Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to call myself? Makarios tried that one and supposedly died of a heart attack so make sure you keep your blood pressure down. Me, my people and my government will define what a Cypriot is in the 37% of an island that is my birthright and in which I have been persecuted and driven out of so people like you can tell me that I am not a Cypriot because I choose to also be a Turk. I think if you were to be able to ask him, Makarios and Sampson and Grevas would tell you that that is the very reason why they tried to persecute and murder and drive out my people, because they are Turkish and the persecutors Greek.

You don't know how ridiculous you are starting to sound,Zan the Cypriot Turk...How easy it was for you to become a Cypriot Turk from a Turkish Cypriot...Why don't you just call yourself Turkish and be done with it....People are free you know...you are what you feel.....If you feel Turkish that is not a crime....What is a crime however is to pretend you have an interest in another country,and using some tragic past events as an excuse,trying to justify throwing people out of their homes,partitioning their country,occupying much more than your fair share,and pretending to be a legal state.....But you know all that...you don't need me to remind you...I am getting bored repeating myself....And you must be getting bored listening to me...What can I say? Enjoy your new found identity and sense of belonging....But remember one thing....That fear which is driving you to deny your real identity your real self is a terrible thing...it makes you do horrible things to other people ...Another thing about fear...fear doesn't let you become honorable...Fear and ignorance go hand in hand all the way to fanaticism and chauvinism.It robs you of your dignity and integrity....Just a friendly warning....

[miltiades]

Zombie wrote:

""""""""that is the very reason why they tried to persecute and murder and drive out my people, because they are Turkish and the persecutors Greek."""""

Are you talking about the 200 thousand Cypriots whose homes and land are being sold to foreign investors Zan ??

Care to tell me what is happening and has always happened to TC intersets in Cyprus my tippled friend or are you just interested in your lot???

Zombie I'm interested in all Cypriots , my "lot" includes Bir , Kikapu , Ahmet , Alexis , Humanist and even you !!
My country of birth , Cyprus happens to also be the country of birth of T/Cs
and they have the same rights to it as I have , the minority that I call divisionists and partitionists have no right to be offering a part of our island to a foreign nation , if they are so fond of this nation let them join in , but not in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Zombie wrote:

""""""""that is the very reason why they tried to persecute and murder and drive out my people, because they are Turkish and the persecutors Greek."""""

Are you talking about the 200 thousand Cypriots whose homes and land are being sold to foreign investors Zan ??

Care to tell me what is happening and has always happened to TC intersets in Cyprus my tippled friend or are you just interested in your lot???

Zombie I'm interested in all Cypriots , my "lot" includes Bir , Kikapu , Ahmet , Alexis , Humanist and even you !!
My country of birth , Cyprus happens to also be the country of birth of T/Cs
and they have the same rights to it as I have , the minority that I call divisionists and partitionists have no right to be offering a part of our island to a foreign nation , if they are so fond of this nation let them join in , but not in Cyprus.

Then listen to what we are saying and provide solutions otherwise you will not live long enough to see a united Cyprus.

[miltiades]

VP , I will support the T/Cs in every possible way but NEVER will I lend my support to the partitionist idea.
Turkey repressents to the overwhelming Cypriot majority a foreign power that has 40 thousand occupying troops on their land. The international community also sees Turkey as an occupying force. The RoC , and I have said this in the past , is not concentrating with real zeal on getting things moving and agreeing a solution. Neither does it -the RoC - act as it preaches.

What you also have to understand is that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs do not want the part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation to become a separate entity relying on Turkey for hand outs.

[Viewpoint]

VP , I will support the T/Cs in every possible way but NEVER will I lend my support to the partitionist idea.
Turkey repressents to the overwhelming Cypriot majority a foreign power that has 40 thousand occupying troops on their land. The international community also sees Turkey as an occupying force. The RoC , and I have said this in the past , is not concentrating with real zeal on getting things moving and agreeing a solution. Neither does it -the RoC - act as it preaches.

What you also have to understand is that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs do not want the part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation to become a separate entity relying on Turkey for hand outs.

So what are you saying that if the army were to go everything would be ok? this is just one part of the whole problem not the problem itself.. Maybe you should start thanking the Turkish army for keep the peace for so long because it was our future that was at risk, the GC were in control and taking advantage of the situation...I was told by a prominent hotlier that when he was building his hotel back in the 1960s he we told by GC authorities that he had to remove all the balconies to each room as he had exceeded his limits which was bullshit as the building was built according to submitted plans....I wish you could sit down for a while and talk with these people and understand how the GC mentality made their lives a living hell and why they do not want to deal with GC on a daily basis ever again..they can see very much of what the saw and experienced back then in your attitude and mentality even today, the fact that you still maintain that we should be kept under isolation to keep us wanting a solution is a prime example.

[miltiades]

VP , I will support the T/Cs in every possible way but NEVER will I lend my support to the partitionist idea.
Turkey repressents to the overwhelming Cypriot majority a foreign power that has 40 thousand occupying troops on their land. The international community also sees Turkey as an occupying force. The RoC , and I have said this in the past , is not concentrating with real zeal on getting things moving and agreeing a solution. Neither does it -the RoC - act as it preaches.

What you also have to understand is that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs do not want the part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation to become a separate entity relying on Turkey for hand outs.

So what are you saying that if the army were to go everything would be ok? this is just one part of the whole problem not the problem itself.. Maybe you should start thanking the Turkish army for keep the peace for so long because it was our future that was at risk, the GC were in control and taking advantage of the situation...I was told by a prominent hotlier that when he was building his hotel back in the 1960s he we told by GC authorities that he had to remove all the balconies to each room as he had exceeded his limits which was bullshit as the building was built according to submitted plans....I wish you could sit down for a while and talk with these people and understand how the GC mentality made their lives a living hell and why they do not want to deal with GC on a dailt basis ever again..they can see very much of what the saw and experienced back then in your attitude and mentality even today, the fact that you still maintain that we should be kept under isolation to keep us wanting a solution is a prime example.

Talking to you is like trying to knock sense into a 5 year old struggling with Algebra. Waste of time mate , you are far too gone !!

[zan]

Congratulations my Greek friend you have earned that title because you are now the mouthpiece of the Greek propaganda machine with the sound bites that are used by them on a regular basis.
I have denounced nothing and your trickery is about as effective as a chocolate fireguard. You seem to think that because you have unofficially defined what you THINK to be a Cypriot that the rest of us will have to fit into that small definition. What I have denounced though is the Greek definition of Cypriotness that you have subscribed to. If you look to the north you will see hundreds of thousands of people that have their own definition because they were not allowed to have the definition that the Zurich agreement made for them. They made one final attempt at redefining a Cypriotness in which all would be welcome and unification would be possible but because it did not leave enough room for the Greek definition to rein supreme it was unceremoniously sabotaged long before it was voted on.


My 37% of the country in which my people and I define what it is to b e a Cypriot is in protest to what the "ROC" has done to underhandedly gain the official status it has today. You have admitted many times that the process was not totally a fair and just way to have achieved what they did but never the less you subscribe to it.
Have you seen the news lately about what Poland has done to Germany because Germany wants to effectively take control of the EU? They have brought up the war and how unfair it is that Germany killed millions of Polish people and now claim numerical supremacy. The polish people now say that they would have over 60 million people if the Germans had not killed them. If you remember back a little while you will remember the same fact the I put to Kifeas. We would number very many more than we are today if we were not forced out of our country and our Cypriotness so stop this shit about who you think is a Cypriot and who is not. Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to call myself? Makarios tried that one and supposedly died of a heart attack so make sure you keep your blood pressure down. Me, my people and my government will define what a Cypriot is in the 37% of an island that is my birthright and in which I have been persecuted and driven out of so people like you can tell me that I am not a Cypriot because I choose to also be a Turk. I think if you were to be able to ask him, Makarios and Sampson and Grevas would tell you that that is the very reason why they tried to persecute and murder and drive out my people, because they are Turkish and the persecutors Greek.

You don't know how ridiculous you are starting to sound,Zan the Cypriot Turk...How easy it was for you to become a Cypriot Turk from a Turkish Cypriot...Why don't you just call yourself Turkish and be done with it....People are free you know...you are what you feel.....If you feel Turkish that is not a crime....What is a crime however is to pretend you have an interest in another country,and using some tragic past events as an excuse,trying to justify throwing people out of their homes,partitioning their country,occupying much more than your fair share,and pretending to be a legal state.....But you know all that...you don't need me to remind you...I am getting bored repeating myself....And you must be getting bored listening to me...What can I say? Enjoy your new found identity and sense of belonging....But remember one thing....That fear which is driving you to deny your real identity your real self is a terrible thing...it makes you do horrible things to other people ...Another thing about fear...fear doesn't let you become honorable...Fear and ignorance go hand in hand all the way to fanaticism and chauvinism.It robs you of your dignity and integrity....Just a friendly warning....

And have you any idea how pompous YOU sound. Over a period, you have defined my sanity, my Cypriotness and now my past. You have no right or qualifications do any of the above. Who died and made you king...OH! I forgot it was Makarios. The rest of your rhetoric is advice only for you. I am a Cypriot by birth and a Cypriot by right and it is only two lots of people that are telling me different. There are the ones that think the Greeks own the country and then there are the ones that want to hand the whole lot over to the first group.
It is no wonder that you and Miltiades seem to get on so well on the forum but I don't think you would last five minutes in real life. You do not acknowledge the fact that we have been under siege for the last 44 years and have not been allowed to progress. You want me to forgive and forget even those conditions have existed. You forget that the TC people had one chance to unite with their GC cousins but we got kicked into touch because we had a guarantor. We will not give these things up and if the GCs cannot afford to trust us because they think we are going to run away with our republic then the least we can do is to show them the same respect and distrust them. Trust and sympathy has to be two-way thing but you want us to give and give.
I am not bored with hearing what you have to say but I am bored with your contradictions and false analysis of the situation.


On another note; you said a while back that Denktas was a hero of yours until you found out about him. Can you give me a bit more information as to when you fell out of love with this man that saved the TCs from certain destruction. I would just like to form a profile of how you really think. Times and dates would be great because I think you have lead a fascinating life.