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[Get Real!]

Sell is not included. What he can sell is his rights to use it. Those rights automatically end with a solution. How they called it "empragmato dikaioma?"

But has it actually been made law or are they still playing with the idea? Can't remember.

[miltiades]

[quote="zan.

Just because we are first made to suffer the perils of ethnic cleansing and murder, then we are faced with an unjust decision by a group that had no real idea about the Cyprus conflict because of the propaganda by you lot and the incompetence by us lot does not mean we are about to lay down and be shafted by you again. The fight for our freedom and rights will go on as long as it takes and unless you see that then everything we want will just happen automatically.[/quote]

Well I'm pleased that stupidity does not grow on trees therefore it is restricted to those such as you who consider that the 200 thousand Cypriots who were made refugees in their own country , who had the houses and land sold off to foreign investors or given to Turkish settlers ,
who had more than 500 of their churches vandalised , are in fact not the victims but the figment of out imagination spurned on by propaganda !! They are in facr the PERSECUTORS !!!!You see you admit that the case of the partitionist was poorly presented , and here you are exacerbating an already diabolical pressentation. The world knows , because the world was around in 1974 , and witnessed the invasion by Turkey , who some 33 years later is still occupying Cyprus , not to protect the T/Cs , there are very few left in Cyprus anyway , but to turn that part of Cyprus that it occupies into a Turkish province. The world and the international community are not as stupid as you are , singular not plural , they know that there is in Cyprus ONE legal government , answerable to to confines of the International community and a member of the UN and the EU. You are ridiculing your pathetically incompetent effort to present to the world that the occupied part of Cyprus , the part that the occupier has 40 thousand occupying troops , is in fact the LEGAL , listen people , the LEGAL Cyprus !!!! Our passports , our currency , our direct flights to every corner of the world , our banking system and our international trade are in fact ILLEGAL!!! Can you believe this Zombie .
Lastly mate , you are a minority , the overwhelming majority of T/Cs voted for the AP , you know why , because they were sick and tired of watching their leaders getting fatter while they were loosing out on the very essentials of life.They wanted to be part of Cyprus not become some Turkish province inhabited by mostly settlers .
The T/Cs are a proud Cypriot race , they love their island and they want to be part of this island , as equal members in all walks of life , but are also wise enough to appreciate that the resounding echos of public conversations are more likely to be heard in Greek rather than Turkish , English or Russian , just as in England , we the Cypriots are a tiny minority but equal in all aspects to the British indigenous population.
Turkey is a massive country , how many Cypriots have emigrated to your new world Zombie , not even you would take such a step and yet you want your fellow Cypriots to be assimilated having been subdued first , to the great Turkish empire .

[Pyrpolizer]

Sell is not included. What he can sell is his rights to use it. Those rights automatically end with a solution. How they called it "empragmato dikaioma?"

But has it actually been made law or are they still playing with the idea? Can't remember.

I edited my post GR. I am not sure about this but obviously is a serious development we should discuss in this forum. Out of memory I added a few things to my previous post....

[Viewpoint]

What can say to people like you DT but sorry. I have to, and for that matter the TRNC/KKTC has to, react to what we are being shown to be the face of Cypriotism. We as TC are not being listened to by those that call themselves Greek or the nationalist so called Cypriots. We are tired of pussy footing around waiting for a solution while we rot away. I realise that this is exactly what some have in plan for us but it will not work. We have to agree to talk in terms of the Annan Plan or a simular plan or we have to part so that we can both get on with our lives. There is pain coming our way which ever route we take but we must minimalise this as best we can. The old Cyprus has gone but still we see the old ideas poke their ugly heads out. Just walking into the so called "RoC" is not an option that the majority of TCs will accept, me being one of them. I am fighting those that are clearly here from the Greek propaganda machine and those that hate me and mine. Not all of them are GC either.

People in glass houses...this applies to you,Zan...
What are you sorry about? That you can't bring yourself to say you are a Cypriot? That you can't bring yourself to say Cyprus is your motherland and you have no other????That you can't bring yourself to say Cypriots are one nation divided by two man made factors,language and religion???

Or sorry about the 40,000 soldiers who have illegally occupied 37% of your country and made 250,000 of your people refugees???Sorry about the lack of courage and loyalty to your motherland in the face of foreign occupation??? Sorry about condoning the use and abuse of the refugee land,and your lack of objection when it is given away to people who have absolutely no right to be in your country??? Sorry about turning part of your country over to drug barons and casino mafia and brothel operators??? Sorry about raping the environment and pillaging other peoples sacred monuments???? All in the name of providing guarantees and safeguards for the gutless wonders like you who singly can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done about the status quo????What exactly are you sorry about????

I am sorry that you choose to live in 1974 but refuse to allow me to live in 1963. I am sorry that you do not realise the series of events that led to what you describe. I am sorry that you cannot take the two and come up with something more reasonable. I am sorry that you have chosen to side with the entity that has no regrets about what happened before 74 and is still telling me that what happened afterwards is the cause of what happened before. Does that not make sense because it makes no sense to me neither. Time is an arrow that points in one direction only. It can be bent but it cannot be reversed but you and others like you want to do that. I am sorry that you can say that because your father was in the TMT we deserve everthing we got but the GCS did not. You want to put right what they lost but I am to stand in the cold and wonder what the hell happened. I am sorry that you can forgive the people that are cheating those in the south that are ruining village after village but your short sitedness only sees what is going on in the North. I am sorry that you can excuse corruption at the highest level in the south but want to use what goes on in the North to destroy us. I am sorry that you cannot see that you are doing more harm than good. I am sorry that you refuse to hear anything that every TC that lives on the island and posts on this forum are telling you one thing but you refuse to listen to a word they say. I am sorry that you see yourself moore as a Greek and are completly ashamed of being even a little bit Turkish. I am sorry for people like you that are lost souls in a big world that wants to smother anything about you.

Brilliant Zan best post yet.....if only hard heads and morons took note of what you are saying and started to listen, well done my friend..

[Peterc]

viewpoint, your such an ass

[miltiades]

What can say to people like you DT but sorry. I have to, and for that matter the TRNC/KKTC has to, react to what we are being shown to be the face of Cypriotism. We as TC are not being listened to by those that call themselves Greek or the nationalist so called Cypriots. We are tired of pussy footing around waiting for a solution while we rot away. I realise that this is exactly what some have in plan for us but it will not work. We have to agree to talk in terms of the Annan Plan or a simular plan or we have to part so that we can both get on with our lives. There is pain coming our way which ever route we take but we must minimalise this as best we can. The old Cyprus has gone but still we see the old ideas poke their ugly heads out. Just walking into the so called "RoC" is not an option that the majority of TCs will accept, me being one of them. I am fighting those that are clearly here from the Greek propaganda machine and those that hate me and mine. Not all of them are GC either.

People in glass houses...this applies to you,Zan...
What are you sorry about? That you can't bring yourself to say you are a Cypriot? That you can't bring yourself to say Cyprus is your motherland and you have no other????That you can't bring yourself to say Cypriots are one nation divided by two man made factors,language and religion???

Or sorry about the 40,000 soldiers who have illegally occupied 37% of your country and made 250,000 of your people refugees???Sorry about the lack of courage and loyalty to your motherland in the face of foreign occupation??? Sorry about condoning the use and abuse of the refugee land,and your lack of objection when it is given away to people who have absolutely no right to be in your country??? Sorry about turning part of your country over to drug barons and casino mafia and brothel operators??? Sorry about raping the environment and pillaging other peoples sacred monuments???? All in the name of providing guarantees and safeguards for the gutless wonders like you who singly can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done about the status quo????What exactly are you sorry about????

I am sorry that you choose to live in 1974 but refuse to allow me to live in 1963. I am sorry that you do not realise the series of events that led to what you describe. I am sorry that you cannot take the two and come up with something more reasonable. I am sorry that you have chosen to side with the entity that has no regrets about what happened before 74 and is still telling me that what happened afterwards is the cause of what happened before. Does that not make sense because it makes no sense to me neither. Time is an arrow that points in one direction only. It can be bent but it cannot be reversed but you and others like you want to do that. I am sorry that you can say that because your father was in the TMT we deserve everthing we got but the GCS did not. You want to put right what they lost but I am to stand in the cold and wonder what the hell happened. I am sorry that you can forgive the people that are cheating those in the south that are ruining village after village but your short sitedness only sees what is going on in the North. I am sorry that you can excuse corruption at the highest level in the south but want to use what goes on in the North to destroy us. I am sorry that you cannot see that you are doing more harm than good. I am sorry that you refuse to hear anything that every TC that lives on the island and posts on this forum are telling you one thing but you refuse to listen to a word they say. I am sorry that you see yourself moore as a Greek and are completly ashamed of being even a little bit Turkish. I am sorry for people like you that are lost souls in a big world that wants to smother anything about you.

Brilliant Zan best post yet.....if only hard heads and morons took note of what you are saying and started to listen, well done my friend..

It Takes one , or two or three , to Know One !!!!!

[Kifeas]

Why is VP scratching the side of her palm so fervently? Has she gotten an eczema? It must be very itchy!

[Viewpoint]

VP WROTE:
"""you have your heart missing the TCs end of story get over it moron. """ ?????????? WTF ???

I bet you tell , who ever wants to listen , that you were BRITISH EDUCATED !!!
Care to translate the above example of English pigeon language to us , it makes no bloody sense mate , try it in Turkish , or is your Turkish even more "pigeon " than your English ?? Almost forgot , You are a team and the last post was obviously from a a junior member .

Your beloved "RoC" has a missing factor the TC community, this is like having your heart missing, got it now?

The RoC IS YOUR REPUBLIC TOO , THE "TRNC" is a pseudo state and you know what constitutes a true Republic ?? Legal status the world over , legal passports the world over , legal currency the world over and membership of the most respected institutions , this is the criteria of legal status not your inverted commas syndrome adapted by Turkey and the world sees Turkey as an occupying power.These are indisputable facts and only hard headed individuals will persist in calling the RoC as illegal !!!!!

The T/Cs are an integral part of Cyprus , it is your island just as it is mine , only you are supporting the break up of our nation and the continuation of faer of conflict some time in the future. Bir is a T/C and like him the are thousands who see Cyprus as united nation as the only option.Bir was born in Cyprus and suffered the consequences of conflict but he is not bitter and neither does he want his island to be divided were born in the UK , suffered no hardship during the conflict years , but have filled your brain with so much hatred and malicious ideas that are poisoning your immediate ability to think reasonably .Off all posters on this forum you are by far the most contagious individual , Zan is a perfect example who having met you has become your understudy.
I respect your right to express your views regardless how full of hatred they might be but I reserve the right to expose those views as the views of a foreigner not a T/C and a shortsighted one too , as well as the biggest bigot and racist on this forum.On your own admission you left the UK so that your children will be amongst their "own people " You detest the idea that your children may have to mix with G/C children and may have to put up with listening to the Greek language. In short my dear , you were a looser in the UK and you are an even bigger looser in Cyprus having s sold your soul to the Turkish Army.

The "RoC" is a Gc state elected by GCs for GCs and has nothing to do with me, I dont pay taxes and dont expect anthing more than I would expect from Italy of Greece, in short its a foreign country to me.

View the TRNC as you wish I dont really care but what you have appreciate is that it will act as our safe haven until a time we are convinced that unification is better for our community than the current situation, todate the TCs have given you the message that they are willing to unite but via an AP but this is not acceptable to you and therefore illustrates the safeguards and guarantee TCs require to contemplate unification.

If I wanted my children to grow up around Greek as a primary language then I would have moved to Greece, I wanted to raise them amongst their own ethnic origin, Turkish language, culture and traditions, and not amongst beer swilling, foul mouthed people who degenerated to the degree of thinking that sex at the age of 11 is acceptable or cant even speak their language of origin and dont know their grandparents. I will not apologise for wanting more for them...they have grown up in an environment of love and safety, they appreciate our values and culture...they are well educated and balanced individuals, they are better people for having grown up in the TRNC.

Do you ever understand anything I post I have no problem with GCs on a 121 basis but I do not want to be at their mercy or put my future purely in their hands otherwise like you I would go live elsewhere. I do not want to be like the minorities in the UK, this totally unacceptable and I would rather become part of Tutkey than surrender my future and safety to GCs.

If being a failure is working hard all your life to provide my family a good life then you are right I am a failure.

[Viewpoint]

viewpoint, your such an ass

[Get Real!]

I am sorry that you choose to live in 1974 but refuse to allow me to live in 1963. I am sorry that you do not realise the series of events that led to what you describe. I am sorry that you cannot take the two and come up with something more reasonable. I am sorry that you have chosen to side with the entity that has no regrets about what happened before 74 and is still telling me that what happened afterwards is the cause of what happened before. Does that not make sense because it makes no sense to me neither. Time is an arrow that points in one direction only. It can be bent but it cannot be reversed but you and others like you want to do that. I am sorry that you can say that because your father was in the TMT we deserve everthing we got but the GCS did not. You want to put right what they lost but I am to stand in the cold and wonder what the hell happened. I am sorry that you can forgive the people that are cheating those in the south that are ruining village after village but your short sitedness only sees what is going on in the North. I am sorry that you can excuse corruption at the highest level in the south but want to use what goes on in the North to destroy us. I am sorry that you cannot see that you are doing more harm than good. I am sorry that you refuse to hear anything that every TC that lives on the island and posts on this forum are telling you one thing but you refuse to listen to a word they say. I am sorry that you see yourself moore as a Greek and are completly ashamed of being even a little bit Turkish. I am sorry for people like you that are lost souls in a big world that wants to smother anything about you.

One day I just might explain in great detail to all our fellow members who were not present in Cyprus during the Turkish invasion of 1974 what a full blown war is like so that they may compare their experiences with mine. You will then be in a position to start imagining if it, looked, sounded, smelled, and felt, like what you might have gone through in the past.

Worse still, it's unfortunate that many Cypriots experienced both the 60’s AND the mother of all… 20th July 1974.