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[BirKibrisli]

Hey,t_c....Didn't know u were in Cyprus....Looking forward to ur detailed posts regarding life in the Trnc...I have one special request...Talk to as many people as you can about the settlers and their effect on the TC culture and identity,and let us all know what people say on the ground...But u r not allowed to speak to VP on that subject....we already know what he thinks...
In fact,better not to speak to VP at all....lest he recruits you too to the trnc propaganda department!

Just as a matter of interest...How many of the people on this forum do you think are from the Greek propaganda machine?????

Don't really expect a response but I see you are on the forum at the moment so I will ask. What the heck!!

There are two that i can think of from the Greek propaganda machine...One is Epsilon and the other one I cannot name at the moment...Call it altzheimers if you like...

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli, my uncle and aunt were in Cyprus just very recently and they caught up with a Turkish speaking Cypriot friend of theirs, they were told by him and his family that there are many problems in relation to settlers and Turkish speaking Cypriots. Specifically in relation to property and the unfairness felt by Turkish speaking Cypriots by the leaderships freebies to settlers, he was very angry. He also pointed out that there are quite a lot of Turkish speaking Cypriots who feel apathy towards settlers.

I trust my uncle.

I recently found out that there are still some 3000 TC refugee families from the South,who have left properties there but received not even a stable to put their heads under all these years...Now they are being told there is no more land or houses left to give them...Not that i think that is the answer,but imagine how those people feel seeing all those houses and land given freely to the settlers while they got nothing for the past 33 years?????

[denizaksulu]

Bir Kibrisli; Hi there. Is your missing link Sotos, bye the way?
Regards
DA

[BirKibrisli]

Bir Kibrisli; Hi there. Is your missing link Sotos, bye the way?
Regards
DA

No no not Sotos....it is Strahd I think....Unless they are one and the same as Zan thought for a minute....

[denizaksulu]

That makes THREE then

[zan]

Bir Kibrisli; Hi there. Is your missing link Sotos, bye the way?
Regards
DA

No no not Sotos....it is Strahd I think....Unless they are one and the same as Zan thought for a minute....

I think if the TCs were allowed to have a proper vote even you might be in the running

[Kikapu]

We are still around but all we appear to do is go around in circles which get very boring, the chasm is tooooo wide and the status quo is set to last for a long time to come. Your arguements and dry and repetativeleading nowhere. As long as the GCs continue to elect an administration with no intention of resolving squat then the stale mate will remain. The GCs have what they want a pure GC state run by GCs, all they have to do is keep the wool pulled firmly over the GC refugees eyes and they will continue to reap the rewards of being the recognized part of the island.

VP,

In all seriousness, why don't you change your tune a bit and see what kind of response you will get.

For example. Why don't you propose to have a 1 country 2 state solution, but in a TRUE FEDERAL system, and non of that Unfair and Racist provisions that the AP asked for. You know yourself, that you would not have accepted those for the TC's, so don't be surprised that the GC's said NO also.

So what securities and guarantees the TC's would need.

What amount of TC representation needed in the Government.

What establishments or clubs would you recommend to bring the two communities together.

Does it not make a difference, that Cyprus is now in the EU and all previous GC ambitions ( Enosis ) are no longer valid or even possible.

You will have a large TC community in the North, no matter how many GC's decide to move back, so at worse, the TC's will be at least 70%- 30% living with the GC's. I really cannot envision more than 30% GC's moving back, and that will be after 15-20 years, so I'm very confident, that the TC's will remain the majority from now on. So you got what you want, and that is for the TC's to be the Majority in the North. With this kind of percentages, the North will more than likely have mostly TC's in the local Government.

So give as several scenarios as to how the TC's can be part of Greater Cyprus and yet run their own sector with the local GC's. How will this take anything away from what you want to preserve, which is your "Turkish Cypriotness". Give us some positive results as to how it could work out, even if you think, it will never work out, but give it to us anyway, and see what others can do, to help you establish your "Majority North".

Zan, could you address this post for me, which was design for VP, but he has been on a PISSY mood for long time. He is too good to answer my posts. I guess he thinks, that his "shit does not stink".

[zan]

We are still around but all we appear to do is go around in circles which get very boring, the chasm is tooooo wide and the status quo is set to last for a long time to come. Your arguements and dry and repetativeleading nowhere. As long as the GCs continue to elect an administration with no intention of resolving squat then the stale mate will remain. The GCs have what they want a pure GC state run by GCs, all they have to do is keep the wool pulled firmly over the GC refugees eyes and they will continue to reap the rewards of being the recognized part of the island.

VP,

In all seriousness, why don't you change your tune a bit and see what kind of response you will get.

For example. Why don't you propose to have a 1 country 2 state solution, but in a TRUE FEDERAL system, and non of that Unfair and Racist provisions that the AP asked for. You know yourself, that you would not have accepted those for the TC's, so don't be surprised that the GC's said NO also.

So what securities and guarantees the TC's would need.

What amount of TC representation needed in the Government.

What establishments or clubs would you recommend to bring the two communities together.

Does it not make a difference, that Cyprus is now in the EU and all previous GC ambitions ( Enosis ) are no longer valid or even possible.

You will have a large TC community in the North, no matter how many GC's decide to move back, so at worse, the TC's will be at least 70%- 30% living with the GC's. I really cannot envision more than 30% GC's moving back, and that will be after 15-20 years, so I'm very confident, that the TC's will remain the majority from now on. So you got what you want, and that is for the TC's to be the Majority in the North. With this kind of percentages, the North will more than likely have mostly TC's in the local Government.

So give as several scenarios as to how the TC's can be part of Greater Cyprus and yet run their own sector with the local GC's. How will this take anything away from what you want to preserve, which is your "Turkish Cypriotness". Give us some positive results as to how it could work out, even if you think, it will never work out, but give it to us anyway, and see what others can do, to help you establish your "Majority North".

Zan, could you address this post for me, which was design for VP, but he has been on a PISSY mood for long time. He is too good to answer my posts. I guess he thinks, that his "shit does not stink".

I will answer some of these points later Kikapu but it does make me wonder if you have bothered to read and understand what VP and I have been writting for the last year. I have not got the knowhow to give you details about how a system like you described would work but I can tell you that you are dismissing a system that has been thought through and compromised on for the last 30 or so years as in the Annan Plan. I have to say that unless the Plan comes back and or another plan is drawn up for me to read through and analyze then how the hell do you expect me to come up with a plan in such a short period of time and with limited knowledge in that respect.

The fact still remains and has not been answered by a single GC except for Kifeas of why the "RoC" did not do more to negotiate a better A Plan. The underhanded way they prepared their OXI was a shock to the whole world and not just us TCs. Perhaps you can explain this to me.

[Viewpoint]

Sadly true Talking of partitionists, haven't seen of VP, Zan, Big_Turk and the rest of them

You mean bigOz,I guess dear humanist....Bg_Turk has not appeared in this forum for some time now....I wonder if he is banned??? (admin?)...

As for Vp and Zan and bigOz...I guess they agree with me and Pyros that the best way forward is to go back to the 1960 consititution...

Hi Bir , but of course we should stop and think , why have another AP or whatever the new secretary's initials are now , lets go back to the Plan , the agreement that was signed by all , the Zurich agreements. I will vote for it any time.

ps . Have you wondered Bir how great minds think alike ?!!!

Hello,dear miltiades...As you say this is the only agreeement ever we have been able to sign as Cypriots in 10,000 years...If we are serious about a solution nothing is stopping us from embrasing it, for real this time....But you will find that there are too many inside and outside interests which have grown rich or powerful from the status quo.It suits them to keep things this way...And us Cypriots have not become aware enough to tell them all to go and take a collective jump...Wasn't it Nero who played the lute or flute or whatever it was,while Rome burned?...We should all chip in and send Tpapa and Talat two lutes,me thinks...

You really do live in lala land, how long do you think it would take GCs to go to the EU and have the 1960 agreements changes to suit themselves, getting rid of any veto rights? a week 2 months how long?? it didnt work back then and would not work today.

Of course it will not work if you approach it with as much suspicion and mistrust as you are doing,VP...If we want we can get the EU to come to the party as well...and agree to make an exception for Cyprus....But you know the old story....The asked the bride to dance but she refused saying the space was a bit tight (yerim dar),they made some more room and asked her again,this time she said her sleeve was too tight (yenim dar)...You are that bride VP...you will never dance...

Bir really the EU cant even strach their bottom without having 60 meetings, they are a joke and not to be trusted....arent we warranted in our mistrust due to past experiencies? in order to get this back you have to work at it and so far GCs have show nothing to make feel TCs feel they can ever trust a GC administration. The pseudo "RoC" is so dear to GCs now do you rknow why? because it has been cleansed of the TC factor, throw that back in and GCs will run straight to the EU asking for amendments claiming unfair privilidges ask Pirates. Time you wok up to the reality of the situation and came down to earth form which ever cloud it is you around...havada bulut.

[Viewpoint]

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VP, no one has ever said that you are not human beings like everybody else. And you have every right to live and prosper in a society that is peaceful and just. No one is denying that. You are also invited to join the rest of Cypriot society and share the whole Island as you have just as much right to it as any other Cypriot.

As far as being dominated by Greek speaking Cypriots I disagree. In the 1960's constitution which is currently innactive, there are safeguards in place that you are represented according to the percentage of your population. Upon unification I hope that these measures are implemented to ensure you have equal rights, and representation as per the population.

I don't understand your last sentence, but there are many options that we could look at. I am sure

I will ask once again how long do you think it will be before GCs 80% start to objecting to the 1960 agreements giving TCs to many privlidges and regurgitating another Akritas plan 2?? would GCs be willing to sign an undertaking to accept that they will not challenge any of the articles in the 1960 agreements and if they at anytime try to remove or abuse safeguards that Cyprus will be divided forever.