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[Viewpoint]

VP , I will support the T/Cs in every possible way but NEVER will I lend my support to the partitionist idea.
Turkey repressents to the overwhelming Cypriot majority a foreign power that has 40 thousand occupying troops on their land. The international community also sees Turkey as an occupying force. The RoC , and I have said this in the past , is not concentrating with real zeal on getting things moving and agreeing a solution. Neither does it -the RoC - act as it preaches.

What you also have to understand is that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs do not want the part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation to become a separate entity relying on Turkey for hand outs.

So what are you saying that if the army were to go everything would be ok? this is just one part of the whole problem not the problem itself.. Maybe you should start thanking the Turkish army for keep the peace for so long because it was our future that was at risk, the GC were in control and taking advantage of the situation...I was told by a prominent hotlier that when he was building his hotel back in the 1960s he we told by GC authorities that he had to remove all the balconies to each room as he had exceeded his limits which was bullshit as the building was built according to submitted plans....I wish you could sit down for a while and talk with these people and understand how the GC mentality made their lives a living hell and why they do not want to deal with GC on a dailt basis ever again..they can see very much of what the saw and experienced back then in your attitude and mentality even today, the fact that you still maintain that we should be kept under isolation to keep us wanting a solution is a prime example.

Talking to you is like trying to knock sense into a 5 year old struggling with Algebra. Waste of time mate , you are far too gone !!

I could also take the easy route out and label you a retared wino, you will drag "Cypriots" into danger trying to flog them your faulty goods which once connected to the electricity mains will give them the 80% shock of their lives or even cost them their lives.

[zan]

VP , I will support the T/Cs in every possible way but NEVER will I lend my support to the partitionist idea.
Turkey repressents to the overwhelming Cypriot majority a foreign power that has 40 thousand occupying troops on their land. The international community also sees Turkey as an occupying force. The RoC , and I have said this in the past , is not concentrating with real zeal on getting things moving and agreeing a solution. Neither does it -the RoC - act as it preaches.

What you also have to understand is that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs do not want the part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation to become a separate entity relying on Turkey for hand outs.

So what are you saying that if the army were to go everything would be ok? this is just one part of the whole problem not the problem itself.. Maybe you should start thanking the Turkish army for keep the peace for so long because it was our future that was at risk, the GC were in control and taking advantage of the situation...I was told by a prominent hotlier that when he was building his hotel back in the 1960s he we told by GC authorities that he had to remove all the balconies to each room as he had exceeded his limits which was bullshit as the building was built according to submitted plans....I wish you could sit down for a while and talk with these people and understand how the GC mentality made their lives a living hell and why they do not want to deal with GC on a dailt basis ever again..they can see very much of what the saw and experienced back then in your attitude and mentality even today, the fact that you still maintain that we should be kept under isolation to keep us wanting a solution is a prime example.

Talking to you is like trying to knock sense into a 5 year old struggling with Algebra. Waste of time mate , you are far too gone !!

I could also take the easy route out and label you a retared wino, you will drag "Cypriots" into danger trying to flog them your faulty goods which once connected to the electricity mains will give them the 80% shock of their lives or even cost them their lives.

About sums up his teaching methods and his intransigence.

[miltiades]

One a Zombie , the other a Looser , both together are dynamite . They draw their poisonous views from revisiting the past , the turbulent years of the early 60s , both of whom were not around , both possessed by hatred for all that is Cypriot , both eager to let the future generations of Cypriots have a taste of conflict pain and suffering.They are indeed the Grey Wolves .
VP posts mostly now a days in pigeon English or uses phrases like "intransigence " to describe me !!! Zombie calls me a wino , he knows I like my wine , he takes pride in labelling me as a wino because he possesses no other ammunition to throw at me , he might as well call me a sadist since I enjoy exposing his twisted interpretation of what the real Cypriots aspire. Go to your new world , the modern new world that you so much admire make sure you take the VPs with you , you can always use them against the 20 million Kurds !!!

[Kikapu]

Zan,

I read most of what you and Bir talked about this afternoon, and I have to say, that your whole attitude is all wrong about Bir and even me. You want to make arguments over past events and he wants to move forward. You live with a ghost and he lives with hope. You are stuck in one place and he has moved forward. He reaches out to the future and you pull back yourself into the past. I can go on and on, but I really do not want to waste my time trying to explain the very basics to you.

I'm sorry to hear that you have gone from being a Turkish Cypriot to becoming a Cypriot Turk. I haven't even heard VP doing that yet, so I guess I was correct on you the other day, when I said, that you are a TC only in name, but in Spirit you have already surrounded your uniqueness to be assimilated into the Turkish Culture. I shouldn't be too surprised really, after all, I do remember few months back you stating, that once your kids finished their education and you have managed to save some money, that you would be moving to Turkey. I don't think that is a bad idea all by itself. I had similar thoughts few years also as well as some members of my family. That was of course when we all thought that Turkey might be on it's way into the EU, but the way things look right now, it will be a long shot.

I know you and VP and others want to put another face for the world to see regarding the Cyprus situation through this forum, but if you guys read half the things you write, it would be enough for an outsider to see you as nothing but a "Paid Propagandist" to push for a Partition. All your arguments goes against what a reasonable compassionate person would see, that most things you write has nothing to do with peace and reconciliation, but rather a ruthless reminder of the past. Just by keep repeating them, will not change anything. I doubt you are winning any support or sympathy with those kinds of attitudes. When I and Bir write about fairness to all Cypriots, you and others write about all the wrong doings done to the TC's by the GC's. When we talk about solution to all Cypriots, you talk about all the bad things done to the TC's by the GC's. When we talk about a better future for all Cypriots, you talk about all the bad things that were done to the TC's by the GC's. What ever happened to "the other side of the coin" Zan?.

People are not stupid. They can read right through all the propaganda. In effect, you are shooting yourself in the foot every time you try to make an argument with Bir. You lose each time, because you are the bitter one who is not willing to move an inch. You are the one who is not willing to compromise. You are the one, who can't see the future for our people. You are the one, that sounds Hateful and Racist, even if you're not, but your message reads just like that. The people you're trying to impress the most (not me and Bir), are not going to accept your arguments, because you dio not offer a solution, but only complaints. Most people are a honest and forgiving and wishful and hopeful for the future. They will see you nothing but a "cry baby" and will dismiss most of your arguments if not all, because you do not offer anything that a reasonable people would like to hear from what you say to them. You're not winning any sympathy at all. They have enough bad things in their own lives to deal with, and do not want to be bothered with your complaints as to what happened in the past. People want to help, but they are reasonable people and they want to do the reasonable thing, and that is to help all Cypriots to get their country back on it's feet.

I have asked you the same question that I asked VP the other day, but you have not responded. The question was "what securities and guarantees do the TC's need to live with the GC's". Please answer this question as you and VP always raise it, but never want to answer it. If you don't know the answer, that is fine, but don't keep raising it, if you don't have an answer for it.

[Viewpoint]

[Kikapu]

Only idiots laugh with themselves, while alone.

[zan]

Zan,

I read most of what you and Bir talked about this afternoon, and I have to say, that your whole attitude is all wrong about Bir and even me. You want to make arguments over past events and he wants to move forward. You live with a ghost and he lives with hope. You are stuck in one place and he has moved forward. He reaches out to the future and you pull back yourself into the past. I can go on and on, but I really do not want to waste my time trying to explain the very basics to you.

I'm sorry to hear that you have gone from being a Turkish Cypriot to becoming a Cypriot Turk. I haven't even heard VP doing that yet, so I guess I was correct on you the other day, when I said, that you are a TC only in name, but in Spirit you have already surrounded your uniqueness to be assimilated into the Turkish Culture. I shouldn't be too surprised really, after all, I do remember few months back you stating, that once your kids finished their education and you have managed to save some money, that you would be moving to Turkey. I don't think that is a bad idea all by itself. I had similar thoughts few years also as well as some members of my family. That was of course when we all thought that Turkey might be on it's way into the EU, but the way things look right now, it will be a long shot.

I know you and VP and others want to put another face for the world to see regarding the Cyprus situation through this forum, but if you guys read half the things you write, it would be enough for an outsider to see you as nothing but a "Paid Propagandist" to push for a Partition. All your arguments goes against what a reasonable compassionate person would see, that most things you write has nothing to do with peace and reconciliation, but rather a ruthless reminder of the past. Just by keep repeating them, will not change anything. I doubt you are winning any support or sympathy with those kinds of attitudes. When I and Bir write about fairness to all Cypriots, you and others write about all the wrong doings done to the TC's by the GC's. When we talk about solution to all Cypriots, you talk about all the bad things done to the TC's by the GC's. When we talk about a better future for all Cypriots, you talk about all the bad things that were done to the TC's by the GC's. What ever happened to "the other side of the coin" Zan?.

People are not stupid. They can read right through all the propaganda. In effect, you are shooting yourself in the foot every time you try to make an argument with Bir. You lose each time, because you are the bitter one who is not willing to move an inch. You are the one who is not willing to compromise. You are the one, who can't see the future for our people. You are the one, that sounds Hateful and Racist, even if you're not, but your message reads just like that. The people you're trying to impress the most (not me and Bir), are not going to accept your arguments, because you dio not offer a solution, but only complaints. Most people are a honest and forgiving and wishful and hopeful for the future. They will see you nothing but a "cry baby" and will dismiss most of your arguments if not all, because you do not offer anything that a reasonable people would like to hear from what you say to them. You're not winning any sympathy at all. They have enough bad things in their own lives to deal with, and do not want to be bothered with your complaints as to what happened in the past. People want to help, but they are reasonable people and they want to do the reasonable thing, and that is to help all Cypriots to get their country back on it's feet.

I have asked you the same question that I asked VP the other day, but you have not responded. The question was "what securities and guarantees do the TC's need to live with the GC's". Please answer this question as you and VP always raise it, but never want to answer it. If you don't know the answer, that is fine, but don't keep raising it, if you don't have an answer for it.

I am sorry but I answered your question or at least I thought I did. The conditions laid down by the Annan Plan which is based on the Zurich agreement with aditions due to cercumstances. I do not have the means to give you a detailed example but there have been people working on it that have far greater means to work the details out. The point is that they have seen the need and have made provisions for it in the Annan Plan and that is good enough for me. If the "RoC" wanted a better deal then they should have stopped playing their diplomatic games in order to pull the rug from under our feet and concentrated on putting together a better deal. Greed is a terrible thing.


As for the rest of your rubbish I think that is a bit choice coming from a man that has over used the refugee card along with the word Haram. If you want to leave the past behind then why are you so selective in your choice for 1974. The past is the past mate and your contradictions are even more plain to see.

[zan]

The point about moving was I think to Cyprus and not to Turkey although I did once mention that Turkey is a place that I would not mind moving to and I even think I said the same about SA but Cyprus is my home by birth.

[T_C]

İ feel so sorry for the TCs here, its so sad what these people have been going through and the bullshit they've had to put up with from both directions (RoC & TR). They're (literally) stuck in the middle, they're being played about and no one really cares about them.

Yazık

PS: İ can definately understand a lot of where GCs are coming from also but İ just want them to know that TRNC is NOT what North would be like if it was upto TCs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRNC is the product of Turkey NOT Turkish Cypriots!

OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF! im so eager to write but im going to hold out...

[humanist]

Kikapu said

Zan,

I read most of what you and Bir talked about this afternoon, and I have to say, that your whole attitude is all wrong about Bir and even me. You want to make arguments over past events and he wants to move forward. You live with a ghost and he lives with hope. You are stuck in one place and he has moved forward. He reaches out to the future and you pull back yourself into the past. I can go on and on, but I really do not want to waste my time trying to explain the very basics to you.

I'm sorry to hear that you have gone from being a Turkish Cypriot to becoming a Cypriot Turk. I haven't even heard VP doing that yet, so I guess I was correct on you the other day, when I said, that you are a TC only in name, but in Spirit you have already surrounded your uniqueness to be assimilated into the Turkish Culture. I shouldn't be too surprised really, after all, I do remember few months back you stating, that once your kids finished their education and you have managed to save some money, that you would be moving to Turkey. I don't think that is a bad idea all by itself. I had similar thoughts few years also as well as some members of my family. That was of course when we all thought that Turkey might be on it's way into the EU, but the way things look right now, it will be a long shot.

I know you and VP and others want to put another face for the world to see regarding the Cyprus situation through this forum, but if you guys read half the things you write, it would be enough for an outsider to see you as nothing but a "Paid Propagandist" to push for a Partition. All your arguments goes against what a reasonable compassionate person would see, that most things you write has nothing to do with peace and reconciliation, but rather a ruthless reminder of the past. Just by keep repeating them, will not change anything. I doubt you are winning any support or sympathy with those kinds of attitudes. When I and Bir write about fairness to all Cypriots, you and others write about all the wrong doings done to the TC's by the GC's. When we talk about solution to all Cypriots, you talk about all the bad things done to the TC's by the GC's. When we talk about a better future for all Cypriots, you talk about all the bad things that were done to the TC's by the GC's. What ever happened to "the other side of the coin" Zan?.

People are not stupid. They can read right through all the propaganda. In effect, you are shooting yourself in the foot every time you try to make an argument with Bir. You lose each time, because you are the bitter one who is not willing to move an inch. You are the one who is not willing to compromise. You are the one, who can't see the future for our people. You are the one, that sounds Hateful and Racist, even if you're not, but your message reads just like that. The people you're trying to impress the most (not me and Bir), are not going to accept your arguments, because you dio not offer a solution, but only complaints. Most people are a honest and forgiving and wishful and hopeful for the future. They will see you nothing but a "cry baby" and will dismiss most of your arguments if not all, because you do not offer anything that a reasonable people would like to hear from what you say to them. You're not winning any sympathy at all. They have enough bad things in their own lives to deal with, and do not want to be bothered with your complaints as to what happened in the past. People want to help, but they are reasonable people and they want to do the reasonable thing, and that is to help all Cypriots to get their country back on it's feet.

I have asked you the same question that I asked VP the other day, but you have not responded. The question was "what securities and guarantees do the TC's need to live with the GC's". Please answer this question as you and VP always raise it, but never want to answer it. If you don't know the answer, that is fine, but don't keep raising it, if you don't have an answer for it.

Thank you Kikapu, thank you because you have said to him what I wanted to say to him now for a while. However as greek speaking Cypriot I was fearing and containing myself for a long time.

Since he and two other (and happy to say NOT VP) mocked me on one of my posts about my uncles killing by the Turkish gun. I have actually decided that I do not wish to give him or the other two any more time. You are right the are hateful, racist and take Cyprus back not to 63 but the dark ages. I am over their racism and fascism.

You said something about VP, not being aTurk and whilst I disagree with all that VP says I respect him, he is merely putting his argument forth and perhaps he is more cunning in hiding his true feeling and agenda but I personally will listen to him any day, whethere I choose to respond to him is another thing but I listen. At least most of the time he like the rest of us has something valid to say that we can learn from unlike some others on both sides of the coin. And there are a couple of racist fascist GC's on here also.

But thank you for a well stated post as above. God if only the fascists on both sides would leave Cyprus for their eternal motherlands the new Cyprus would be an envious place for all to want to live there.

Thank you again.