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[Murataga]

Who is lying?? The whole world that recognizes Cyprus or the Turks?

I answered to your lame excuses already, did you miss it?

If Turks obeyed the UN resolutions as they were obligated to do, then there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem. The problem exists because the Turks insist on crimes and illegalities.

Beyond that, since the Turks did not obey the UN resolutions, the UN is trying to find different kind of solutions that will be acceptable to Cypriots. For such solution to be found GCs, the great majority of Cypriots, have to agree for it of course.

What did you expect? That you can come, steal our land, ethnically cleanse our people, ignore the UN resolutions calling for the immitiede withdrawal of troops and the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus, and then force the "solution" that you like on us without our agreement?

So get it clear in your mind: The only legal thing is the 1960 agreements, and they will remain the only legal thing unless Cypriots accept something different. However Cypriots are not obligated to accept anything different. On the other hand you are obligated to end the illegal occupation and the illegal "trnc", and as long as you act illegally you will face consequences.

You did not answer anything. I prooved beyond any doubt that you are not the RoC (neither according to the principles set forth by the U.N. or our Agreements) yet you get treated as her. You are no different than a person defending slavery in 18th century based on world recognition nor a one that claims that the planet Earth is flat in the 15th century beacuse the whole world says so. There is hypocracy and political interests, and than there are facts and legitimacy . Sooner or later the ladder will prevail. Let`s just hope that it doesen`t take as long in Cyprus as it took for the world to recognize slavery as unacceptable and Earth as round.

[DT.]

Who is lying?? The whole world that recognizes Cyprus or the Turks?

I answered to your lame excuses already, did you miss it?

If Turks obeyed the UN resolutions as they were obligated to do, then there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem. The problem exists because the Turks insist on crimes and illegalities.

Beyond that, since the Turks did not obey the UN resolutions, the UN is trying to find different kind of solutions that will be acceptable to Cypriots. For such solution to be found GCs, the great majority of Cypriots, have to agree for it of course.

What did you expect? That you can come, steal our land, ethnically cleanse our people, ignore the UN resolutions calling for the immitiede withdrawal of troops and the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus, and then force the "solution" that you like on us without our agreement?

So get it clear in your mind: The only legal thing is the 1960 agreements, and they will remain the only legal thing unless Cypriots accept something different. However Cypriots are not obligated to accept anything different. On the other hand you are obligated to end the illegal occupation and the illegal "trnc", and as long as you act illegally you will face consequences.

You did not answer anything. I prooved beyond any doubt that you are not the RoC (neither according to the principles set forth by the U.N. or our Agreements) yet you get treated as her. You are no different than a person defending slavery in 18th century based on world recognition nor a one that claims that the planet Earth is flat in the 15th century beacuse the whole world says so. There is hypocracy and political interests, and than there are facts and legitimacy . Sooner or later the ladder will prevail. Let`s just hope that it doesen`t take as long in Cyprus as it took for the world to recognize slavery as unacceptable and Earth as round.

let me et this staright....i for one have acknowledged and am ashamed of the wrongdoings thta have happened from my community to yours.

You on the other hand have invaded with an army of 40,000 and ousted 200,000 from their homes, have settled them with mainlanders and are now selling these homes off to foreigners ....and you're comparing us to masters of slavery??????

[Piratis]

Where did you prove anything? EU recently accepted Republic of Cyprus as a member, the whole world recognized RoC and you are telling me that you proved something?

Let me ask you something Murataga, do you accept that "trnc" is illegal? If you don't then I will give you a less of what a proof means since apparently you are clueless.

[Viewpoint]

You can have your land back and we can have recognition as soon as we can agree all the other outstanding issues and structures that will go towards bringing a solution where TCs can enjoy their ownership without being dominated or excluded by the 80% GCs.

You can not have any recognition. Republic of Cyprus is not for sale. You can buy private property within Republic of Cyprus, but you can not take any part of land out of the sovereignty of RoC.

If it was as you say, then I would go buy the private land in an area 2 times the size of Cyprus in eastern Turkey where the land is cheap and then declare it the "Cypriot Republic of Asia Minor", do you think Turkey would accept this?

So don't talk bullshit. No country is for sale, and our country is obviously not for sale either.

You are the one talking bullshit, you have defacto recognition but we have land and the army in order to get your land back and the army out you have to negotiate a BBF and agree to political equality with TCs. Or you can always wait for that swing you so long for.

[Piratis]

we have land and the army

Rot in the land with your army

[Get Real!]

Who is lying?? The whole world that recognizes Cyprus or the Turks?

I answered to your lame excuses already, did you miss it?

If Turks obeyed the UN resolutions as they were obligated to do, then there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem. The problem exists because the Turks insist on crimes and illegalities.

Beyond that, since the Turks did not obey the UN resolutions, the UN is trying to find different kind of solutions that will be acceptable to Cypriots. For such solution to be found GCs, the great majority of Cypriots, have to agree for it of course.

What did you expect? That you can come, steal our land, ethnically cleanse our people, ignore the UN resolutions calling for the immitiede withdrawal of troops and the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus, and then force the "solution" that you like on us without our agreement?

So get it clear in your mind: The only legal thing is the 1960 agreements, and they will remain the only legal thing unless Cypriots accept something different. However Cypriots are not obligated to accept anything different. On the other hand you are obligated to end the illegal occupation and the illegal "trnc", and as long as you act illegally you will face consequences.

You did not answer anything. I prooved beyond any doubt that you are not the RoC (neither according to the principles set forth by the U.N. or our Agreements) yet you get treated as her.

You give yourself too much credit too soon Murataga... you've proven nothing!

[Viewpoint]

we have land and the army

Rot in the land with your army

The same to you.

[Get Real!]

How it should exist today is given explicitly by the U.N. :
Resolution 750 (April 1992) (which has been reaffirmed annually since then)-

“Reaffirms the position set out in resolutions 649 (1990) of March 12 1990 and 716 (1991) October 11 1991 that a Cyprus settlement must be based on a State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship, with its independence and territorial integrity safeguarded, and comprising two politically equal communities as defined in Paragraph 11 of Secretary-General’s report in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation, and that such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession;”

Thanks for the quote. Have you noticed that your community has been in a clear violation of this resolution for the last 16 years?

this is an excellent point that keeps getting made. My TC friends keep quoting parts of UN resolutions and the ROC constitution to prove some of their points without consideration to the huge contradictions they are making.

Even if i was an indepedant bystander I'd consider this schizophrenic to say the least.

I'm eagerly anticipating replies from the TC camp...

[Murataga]

:lol: EU recently accepted Republic of Cyprus as a member, the whole world recognized RoC and you are telling me that you proved something?

I know they did. They recognized a RoC that has nothing to do with how it should be either according to the U.N. or the Agreements between our leaders; simple. They recognized it just as they recognized slavery until the 20th century although it was unethical and ilegitimate (but legal). That is hypocracy in violation of their own guidelines to serve their political interests. Laws and politics are made by people, yet legitimacy and righteousness are universal. Eventually the ladder will supersede.

[DT.]

How it should exist today is given explicitly by the U.N. :
Resolution 750 (April 1992) (which has been reaffirmed annually since then)-

“Reaffirms the position set out in resolutions 649 (1990) of March 12 1990 and 716 (1991) October 11 1991 that a Cyprus settlement must be based on a State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship, with its independence and territorial integrity safeguarded, and comprising two politically equal communities as defined in Paragraph 11 of Secretary-General’s report in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation, and that such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession;”

Thanks for the quote. Have you noticed that your community has been in a clear violation of this resolution for the last 16 years?

this is an excellent point that keeps getting made. My TC friends keep quoting parts of UN resolutions and the ROC constitution to prove some of their points without consideration to the huge contradictions they are making.

Even if i was an indepedant bystander I'd consider this schizophrenic to say the least.

I'm eagerly anticipating replies from the TC camp...

And still they ignore GR