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[DT.]

VP I accept your argument, I disagree and trust goes both ways and I personally do not agree with ending the isolation as this will eventually lead to division of the Isalnd. Personally and you may be aware from previous posts I do give a hoot about the land and my grandmother was made refugee upon Turkeys invasion of out Island, however land and freedom in Cyprus' situation are one in the same. That is the essence of the argument. I am happy to go with the staus quo. Occupation of the north of Cyprus and declaration as an independent republic and Isolation in every respect and refugees loosing out on their freedoms and choices. Or we could move beyond the 33 year staus quo to a solvable approach which would mean Unifying economic, educational health domains with a view of Unification. Unless you start lining us up and shooting 700 od thousand Greek speaking Cypriots today there will always be a greek speaking dominance on the Island. So if you feel that is the way to have equality start shootin now VP.

Minority populations in other nations have equal rights, it too can be achieved in Cyprus also. However, the fact that you mention that in your post indicates to me that the agenda for the Turkish speaking Cypriot is not one of Unification at all.

I wonder VP if there was an Island between Cyprus and Turkey and was offered to Turkish speaking Cypriots will they accept it and move it there? for ownership and independence.

So you obviously subscrible to the ideology that TCs should be held hostage so as to keep us wanting a solution, cant you see it has the opposite effect and causes a hardening of attitude towards uniting with GCs.

The dominance is our greatest fear, we are not like any other EU country due to our dark past therefore we will be exposed to the GCs administering democracy and human rights, its like giving your rapist the key to your bedroom door.

Is there such an island?maybe you would like to go there we will never leave North Cyprus its our home and we love it even with all its faults.

Question for you VP
In the north you hold elections and the right wingers are 70% of the population and the communists are 30% of the population. WOuld the govt be made up of 50%-50%?

[Viewpoint]

VP I accept your argument, I disagree and trust goes both ways and I personally do not agree with ending the isolation as this will eventually lead to division of the Isalnd. Personally and you may be aware from previous posts I do give a hoot about the land and my grandmother was made refugee upon Turkeys invasion of out Island, however land and freedom in Cyprus' situation are one in the same. That is the essence of the argument. I am happy to go with the staus quo. Occupation of the north of Cyprus and declaration as an independent republic and Isolation in every respect and refugees loosing out on their freedoms and choices. Or we could move beyond the 33 year staus quo to a solvable approach which would mean Unifying economic, educational health domains with a view of Unification. Unless you start lining us up and shooting 700 od thousand Greek speaking Cypriots today there will always be a greek speaking dominance on the Island. So if you feel that is the way to have equality start shootin now VP.

Minority populations in other nations have equal rights, it too can be achieved in Cyprus also. However, the fact that you mention that in your post indicates to me that the agenda for the Turkish speaking Cypriot is not one of Unification at all.

I wonder VP if there was an Island between Cyprus and Turkey and was offered to Turkish speaking Cypriots will they accept it and move it there? for ownership and independence.

So you obviously subscrible to the ideology that TCs should be held hostage so as to keep us wanting a solution, cant you see it has the opposite effect and causes a hardening of attitude towards uniting with GCs.

The dominance is our greatest fear, we are not like any other EU country due to our dark past therefore we will be exposed to the GCs administering democracy and human rights, its like giving your rapist the key to your bedroom door.

Is there such an island?maybe you would like to go there we will never leave North Cyprus its our home and we love it even with all its faults.

Question for you VP
In the north you hold elections and the right wingers are 70% of the population and the communists are 30% of the population. WOuld the govt be made up of 50%-50%?

We are not talking political ideology here, the electorate on both sides do not show the maturity to pick the best man/party for the job but more along ethnic origin, this of course brings with it many dangers for the numerical minority as we have experienced in our dark past. Thats a route no TCs will ever go down ever again even if it means becoming Turkish more than Cypriot, Im sure you have worked this out for yourselves. You can bet you bottom dollar that if a pan Cyprian party ran for election against a GC party the 80% GCs would block vote to take the TCs to the cleaners and hey presto we have a GC state run by GCs with us just another minority like the Pakistanis of the UK. Please dont ask us to take this leap of faith, as it will not you that will be paying the price, we do not want to be ruled by GCs alone, we want safeguards that wiill create a structure where we have a fair say in our own future.

[DT.]

VP I accept your argument, I disagree and trust goes both ways and I personally do not agree with ending the isolation as this will eventually lead to division of the Isalnd. Personally and you may be aware from previous posts I do give a hoot about the land and my grandmother was made refugee upon Turkeys invasion of out Island, however land and freedom in Cyprus' situation are one in the same. That is the essence of the argument. I am happy to go with the staus quo. Occupation of the north of Cyprus and declaration as an independent republic and Isolation in every respect and refugees loosing out on their freedoms and choices. Or we could move beyond the 33 year staus quo to a solvable approach which would mean Unifying economic, educational health domains with a view of Unification. Unless you start lining us up and shooting 700 od thousand Greek speaking Cypriots today there will always be a greek speaking dominance on the Island. So if you feel that is the way to have equality start shootin now VP.

Minority populations in other nations have equal rights, it too can be achieved in Cyprus also. However, the fact that you mention that in your post indicates to me that the agenda for the Turkish speaking Cypriot is not one of Unification at all.

I wonder VP if there was an Island between Cyprus and Turkey and was offered to Turkish speaking Cypriots will they accept it and move it there? for ownership and independence.

So you obviously subscrible to the ideology that TCs should be held hostage so as to keep us wanting a solution, cant you see it has the opposite effect and causes a hardening of attitude towards uniting with GCs.

The dominance is our greatest fear, we are not like any other EU country due to our dark past therefore we will be exposed to the GCs administering democracy and human rights, its like giving your rapist the key to your bedroom door.

Is there such an island?maybe you would like to go there we will never leave North Cyprus its our home and we love it even with all its faults.

Question for you VP
In the north you hold elections and the right wingers are 70% of the population and the communists are 30% of the population. WOuld the govt be made up of 50%-50%?

We are not talking political ideology here, the electorate on both sides do not show the maturity to pick the best man/party for the job but more along ethnic origin, this of course brings with it many dangers for the numerical minority as we have experienced in our dark past. Thats a route no TCs will ever go down ever again even if it means becoming Turkish more than Cypriot, Im sure you have worked this out for yourselves. You can bet you bottom dollar that if a pan Cyprian party ran for election against a GC party the 80% GCs would block vote to take the TCs to the cleaners and hey presto we have a GC state run by GCs with us just another minority like the Pakistanis of the UK. Please dont ask us to take this leap of faith, as it will not you that will be paying the price, we do not want to be ruled by GCs alone, we want safeguards that wiill create a structure where we have a fair say in our own future.

how is it not an ideological thing? If the best man for the job is running against your party there's still a 70% chance you'll vote for whoever your party chooses. Its exactly the same thing.

Example Bush runs against Kerry. The people of the GOP knew Bush is an idiot yet they still voted republican.

Thats how a modern democracy works. You can't have a 18% of a country ruling the country. Thats dictatorship

[Viewpoint]

VP I accept your argument, I disagree and trust goes both ways and I personally do not agree with ending the isolation as this will eventually lead to division of the Isalnd. Personally and you may be aware from previous posts I do give a hoot about the land and my grandmother was made refugee upon Turkeys invasion of out Island, however land and freedom in Cyprus' situation are one in the same. That is the essence of the argument. I am happy to go with the staus quo. Occupation of the north of Cyprus and declaration as an independent republic and Isolation in every respect and refugees loosing out on their freedoms and choices. Or we could move beyond the 33 year staus quo to a solvable approach which would mean Unifying economic, educational health domains with a view of Unification. Unless you start lining us up and shooting 700 od thousand Greek speaking Cypriots today there will always be a greek speaking dominance on the Island. So if you feel that is the way to have equality start shootin now VP.

Minority populations in other nations have equal rights, it too can be achieved in Cyprus also. However, the fact that you mention that in your post indicates to me that the agenda for the Turkish speaking Cypriot is not one of Unification at all.

I wonder VP if there was an Island between Cyprus and Turkey and was offered to Turkish speaking Cypriots will they accept it and move it there? for ownership and independence.

So you obviously subscrible to the ideology that TCs should be held hostage so as to keep us wanting a solution, cant you see it has the opposite effect and causes a hardening of attitude towards uniting with GCs.

The dominance is our greatest fear, we are not like any other EU country due to our dark past therefore we will be exposed to the GCs administering democracy and human rights, its like giving your rapist the key to your bedroom door.

Is there such an island?maybe you would like to go there we will never leave North Cyprus its our home and we love it even with all its faults.

Question for you VP
In the north you hold elections and the right wingers are 70% of the population and the communists are 30% of the population. WOuld the govt be made up of 50%-50%?

We are not talking political ideology here, the electorate on both sides do not show the maturity to pick the best man/party for the job but more along ethnic origin, this of course brings with it many dangers for the numerical minority as we have experienced in our dark past. Thats a route no TCs will ever go down ever again even if it means becoming Turkish more than Cypriot, Im sure you have worked this out for yourselves. You can bet you bottom dollar that if a pan Cyprian party ran for election against a GC party the 80% GCs would block vote to take the TCs to the cleaners and hey presto we have a GC state run by GCs with us just another minority like the Pakistanis of the UK. Please dont ask us to take this leap of faith, as it will not you that will be paying the price, we do not want to be ruled by GCs alone, we want safeguards that wiill create a structure where we have a fair say in our own future.

how is it not an ideological thing? If the best man for the job is running against your party there's still a 70% chance you'll vote for whoever your party chooses. Its exactly the same thing.

Example Bush runs against Kerry. The people of the GOP knew Bush is an idiot yet they still voted republican.

Thats how a modern democracy works. You can't have a 18% of a country ruling the country. Thats dictatorship

If you had a TC professor running against a GC monkey the block 80% vote would go for the monkey, thats the risk the TC runs although the best man for the job the GC voters are so biased that they would rather see anyone but a TC in office, how do you expect us to run that risk, neither side is mature enough to vote on ability and not ethnic lines. Its us that are asked to jump into the fire not you thats why we need safeguards.

[miltiades]

VP WROTE:.

The dominance is our greatest fear, we are not like any other EU country due to our dark past therefore we will be exposed to the GCs administering democracy and human rights, its like giving your rapist the key to your bedroom door. """

You have sunk to the bottom of the vulgarity peat , you are swimming around in bowl of diarrhoea , calling the people of Cyprus "rapists" is an affront to all decent living Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs. You are a scum bag , a hate merchant full of poison and full of shit. Go on big boy lets have some of your ignorant vulgarities .

[Get Real!]

If you had a TC professor running against a GC monkey the block 80% vote would go for the monkey, thats the risk the TC runs although the best man for the job the GC voters are so biased that they would rather see anyone but a TC in office, how do you expect us to run that risk, neither side is mature enough to vote on ability and not ethnic lines. Its us that are asked to jump into the fire not you thats why we need safeguards.

I'll bet the TC's would form a single political party and all would support it come election time! Think about that... it would be the most powerful party in Cyprus!

[Viewpoint]

VP WROTE:.

The dominance is our greatest fear, we are not like any other EU country due to our dark past therefore we will be exposed to the GCs administering democracy and human rights, its like giving your rapist the key to your bedroom door. """

You have sunk to the bottom of the vulgarity peat , you are swimming around in bowl of diarrhoea , calling the people of Cyprus "rapists" is an affront to all decent living Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs. You are a scum bag , a hate merchant full of poison and full of shit. Go on big boy lets have some of your ignorant vulgarities .

This is miltiades at his best showing everyone his true face....this is the man who stated he has never insulted any TCs...what a jerk.

[Kikapu]

The fabric of Democracy, specially in the Political Arena is a growing and evolving thing. Nothing is absolute and it will take time and tries to get a working formula. But VOP does not want to work with Democracy, he wants guarantees, just like a Dictatorship with Racist and Undemocratic methods. He likes the Annan Plan, not because it was good for Cyprus, but it was good for VP. He is the least interested fair and square and due process, but very much interested in Racist and Injustice methods. Just by holding the GC's land in the North is a living proof to that. Save all the small talk VP about guarantees and securities. In a Democracy you have to fight for your Political positions, and not just be given to you or anyone else on a platter. You have been living just way too long under the Dictatorship of Denktash. To you that's what democracy meant, by being able to cheat by having Foreigners ( Turks) vote to swing elections. Do you want to be in Europe and play by the rules, or do you want Dictatorship.??

[Viewpoint]

If you had a TC professor running against a GC monkey the block 80% vote would go for the monkey, thats the risk the TC runs although the best man for the job the GC voters are so biased that they would rather see anyone but a TC in office, how do you expect us to run that risk, neither side is mature enough to vote on ability and not ethnic lines. Its us that are asked to jump into the fire not you thats why we need safeguards.

I'll bet the TC's would form a single political party and all would support it come election time! Think about that... it would be the most powerful party in Cyprus!

20% vs 80% hardly a match, Im sure you can work out the the monkey would get 79.99% of the votes.

[Kikapu]

VP WROTE:.

The dominance is our greatest fear, we are not like any other EU country due to our dark past therefore we will be exposed to the GCs administering democracy and human rights, its like giving your rapist the key to your bedroom door. """

You have sunk to the bottom of the vulgarity peat , you are swimming around in bowl of diarrhoea , calling the people of Cyprus "rapists" is an affront to all decent living Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs. You are a scum bag , a hate merchant full of poison and full of shit. Go on big boy lets have some of your ignorant vulgarities .

This is miltiades at his best showing everyone his true face....this is the man who stated he has never insulted any TCs...what a jerk.

He never insults me that way.

Maybe he has a "soft spot" for real True Cypriots.

Perhaps you too will one day become one of us.

I'll not hold my breath though.