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Are TCs joint owners of Cyprus.

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Are TCs joint owners of Cyprus.

Yes they are
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No they are not
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Total votes : 28

Postby EPSILON » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:25 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
EPSILON wrote:OK Ivoted wrongly in this since i mixed this vote with a separate one asking who is controlling NC TCs or Turkey. You hv to deduct my "NO" vote in this certain one and count it as "YES the TCs are joined owners of Cyprus"


Imagine if the question was more complicated.

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** You would have voted correctly,because by mistake you would have chosen the wrong answer and by another mistake you would have ticked the wrong box.

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You are right. This the problem with people like me , creating trouples by their mind
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:41 pm

Viewpoint wrote:You can have your land back and we can have recognition as soon as we can agree all the other outstanding issues and structures that will go towards bringing a solution where TCs can enjoy their ownership without being dominated or excluded by the 80% GCs.


You can not have any recognition. Republic of Cyprus is not for sale. You can buy private property within Republic of Cyprus, but you can not take any part of land out of the sovereignty of RoC.

If it was as you say, then I would go buy the private land in an area 2 times the size of Cyprus in eastern Turkey where the land is cheap and then declare it the "Cypriot Republic of Asia Minor", do you think Turkey would accept this?

So don't talk bullshit. No country is for sale, and our country is obviously not for sale either.
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Postby Rain » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:20 pm

Piratis;
I think you are forgetting something very important, That the many of the Greek speaking Cypriots, several times in the past have offered the Republic of Cyprus to Greece free of charge.
The last time correct me if I am wrong was on 15 July 74. Mind you the biggest mistake was made sometime in December 1963 when Turkish partners of the Republic left the RoC Parliament. Hence, without the Turkish and the Armenian representatives in the RoC Parliament there is no RoC.
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Postby Peterc » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:36 pm

mrfromng, what do you make of the 11-1 vote, is it what you expected?
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Postby miltiades » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:02 pm

I think is an indication that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots are sensible , democratic , peace loving people who , just as I do , along with so many others , consider our island to our home , the home of all Cypriots and of course the TCs are joint owners of their country. Bir , Kikapu , mrfromng ,BigOz , Piratis and Kifeas are all equal owners of our beloved Cyprus.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:08 pm

Rain wrote:Piratis;
I think you are forgetting something very important, That the many of the Greek speaking Cypriots, several times in the past have offered the Republic of Cyprus to Greece free of charge.
The last time correct me if I am wrong was on 15 July 74. Mind you the biggest mistake was made sometime in December 1963 when Turkish partners of the Republic left the RoC Parliament. Hence, without the Turkish and the Armenian representatives in the RoC Parliament there is no RoC.


Yes, of course you are wrong. In 74 there was a coup in Cyprus which in fact tried to kill our president. Just like the coups that happened many times in Turkey.

The Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960 and it exists now just like it existed then, only Turks claim the opposite. If the TCs choose not to participate in the government of RoC thats their own problem.
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Postby Murataga » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:28 pm

(1) Piratis wrote-
Yes, of course you are wrong. In 74 there was a coup in Cyprus which in fact tried to kill our president. Just like the coups that happened many times in Turkey.


No he is absolutely correct. The coup was just an internal disagreement among the GC leaders on how to achieve the final goal of ENOSIS; nothing else. Here is just a glimpse of that truth for all:

The Greek Cypriot House of Representatives Journal of June 27 1967, reported that, on June 26 the deputies had unanimously passed a resolution declaring that the struggle for ENOSIS would continue until the union of Cyprus with the motherland, Greece, was achieved:

"Interpreting the age-long aspirations of the Greeks of Cyprus, the House declares that despite any adverse circumstances it will not suspend the struggle being conducted with the support of all Greeks, until this struggle ends in success through the union of the whole and undivided Cyprus with the motherland, without any intermediary stage."


And for the sake of clearity, I repost the messages of only two of the times Greek Cypriot community leaders. Tha following are official statements of Mr. Kyprianou released to the public via Greek Cypriot PIO with the corresponding dates:

16 July 1966 Greek Cypriot PIO press release no. 13
The national leadership, which voices the wishes of all the people, is not prepared to accept any compromise solution adulterating the people’s national restoration. The Cypriot people want union with Greece. The Greek Cypriot people will continue to struggle having as their standard the Greek flag, Greek virtues and ideals.


1 April 1967 Greek Cypriot PIO press release no. 4
Cyprus is now an independent and sovereign state and, therefore, the struggle for union with Greece is easier and shorter than before.


24 March 1971 Greek Cypriot PIO press release no. 7
The unity of purpose, and policy existing between and Greece is absolute. The line of policy by the two Governments is one and the same. Neither Cyprus nor Greece can possibly accept solutions that might, sooner or later, be considered by the people and history, and by posterity, as nationally inadmissible compromises…


19 February 1973, from Archbishop Makarios III statement in Le Point
I have struggles for the union of Cyprus with Greece, and Enosis will always be my deep national aspiration as it is the aspiration of all Greek Cypriots. My national creed has never changed and my career as a national leader has showed no inconsistency or contradiction. I have accepted independence instead of Enosis because certain external conditions and factors have not allowed a free choice.


6 April 1973, from Archbishop Makarios III interview with John Harrison of the London Daily Express:
"Union of Cyprus with Greece has always been the national aspiration of the Greek Cypriots. This national feeling has deep roots and the Greek Cypriots would favor Enosis under any circumstances. "


14 March 1971, Archbishop Makarios III speech at Yialousa
Cyprus is Greek. Cyprus has been Greek since the dawn of its history, and it will remain Greek. Greek and undivided we have taken it over, Greek and undivided we shall preserve it. Greek and undivided we shall deliver it to Greece.


Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."



(2) Piratis wrote-
it exists now just like it existed then


How it should exist today is given explicitly by the U.N. :

Resolution 750 (April 1992) (which has been reaffirmed annually since then)-
“Reaffirms the position set out in resolutions 649 (1990) of March 12 1990 and 716 (1991) October 11 1991 that a Cyprus settlement must be based on a State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship, with its independence and territorial integrity safeguarded, and comprising two politically equal communities as defined in Paragraph 11 of Secretary-General’s report in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation, and that such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession;”



How it should exist has been agreed upon by our leaders aswell. Agreement between Tassos Papadopoulos and Mehmet Ali Talat on 8 July 2006 (commonly referred as the 8 July Agreement) which specifically states the following in its first article:

1. Commitment to the unification of Cyprus based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality, as set out in the relevant Security Council resolutions.


The RoC that is recognized today is no where near how it should exist according either to the U.N. or our Agreements, so stop lying!
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:39 pm

Who is lying?? The whole world that recognizes Cyprus or the Turks? :roll:

I answered to your lame excuses already, did you miss it?

If Turks obeyed the UN resolutions as they were obligated to do, then there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem. The problem exists because the Turks insist on crimes and illegalities.

Beyond that, since the Turks did not obey the UN resolutions, the UN is trying to find different kind of solutions that will be acceptable to Cypriots. For such solution to be found GCs, the great majority of Cypriots, have to agree for it of course.

What did you expect? That you can come, steal our land, ethnically cleanse our people, ignore the UN resolutions calling for the immitiede withdrawal of troops and the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus, and then force the "solution" that you like on us without our agreement?

So get it clear in your mind: The only legal thing is the 1960 agreements, and they will remain the only legal thing unless Cypriots accept something different. However Cypriots are not obligated to accept anything different. On the other hand you are obligated to end the illegal occupation and the illegal "trnc", and as long as you act illegally you will face consequences.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:52 pm

Murataga wrote:How it should exist today is given explicitly by the U.N. :
Resolution 750 (April 1992) (which has been reaffirmed annually since then)-

Reaffirms the position set out in resolutions 649 (1990) of March 12 1990 and 716 (1991) October 11 1991 that a Cyprus settlement must be based on a State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship, with its independence and territorial integrity safeguarded, and comprising two politically equal communities as defined in Paragraph 11 of Secretary-General’s report in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation, and that such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession;”


Thanks for the quote. Have you noticed that your community has been in a clear violation of this resolution for the last 16 years?
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:58 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Murataga wrote:How it should exist today is given explicitly by the U.N. :
Resolution 750 (April 1992) (which has been reaffirmed annually since then)-

Reaffirms the position set out in resolutions 649 (1990) of March 12 1990 and 716 (1991) October 11 1991 that a Cyprus settlement must be based on a State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship, with its independence and territorial integrity safeguarded, and comprising two politically equal communities as defined in Paragraph 11 of Secretary-General’s report in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation, and that such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession;”


Thanks for the quote. Have you noticed that your community has been in a clear violation of this resolution for the last 16 years?


this is an excellent point that keeps getting made. My TC friends keep quoting parts of UN resolutions and the ROC constitution to prove some of their points without consideration to the huge contradictions they are making.

Even if i was an indepedant bystander I'd consider this schizophrenic to say the least.
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