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[Kifeas]

It may work there coz they dont have Turkish, Greek or Cypriots brains..
They r not ruled by an army or a church..

Who is ruled by the Church?

What's wrong with Cypriot brains?

There is something wrong with Turkish+Greek+Cypriot brains, I can feel it even if I'm not a brain surgeon..
1 side follow a hypocrite army and the other side a hypocrite church instead of following common sense...
Am I wrong??

I do not want to talk about Turkey, but the president of Cyprus, the one that does nearly all decisions regarding how the country is run, is Tassos Papadopoulos, and he is neither a priest nor a religious fanatic! He was not appointedd by any priest or bishop, but instead he was elected democratically by the people!

[karma]

It may work there coz they dont have Turkish, Greek or Cypriots brains..
They r not ruled by an army or a church..

Who is ruled by the Church?

What's wrong with Cypriot brains?

There is something wrong with Turkish+Greek+Cypriot brains, I can feel it even if I'm not a brain surgeon..
1 side follow a hypocrite army and the other side a hypocrite church instead of following common sense...
Am I wrong??

I do not want to talk about Turkey, but the president of Cyprus, the one that does nearly all decisions regarding how the country is run, is Tassos Papadopoulos, and he is neither a priest nor a religious fanatic! He was not appointedd by any priest or bishop, but instead he was elected democratically by the people!

Aman Kifea, I wont be surprised if u tell us Tpap is a saint in ur next posts..
He may be elected democratically, true..but I know what Church means for Greeks and wht Army for Turks..without their permission nothing works...and without those two life could have been much better for all of us..am I wrong again??

[EPSILON]

It may work there coz they dont have Turkish, Greek or Cypriots brains..
They r not ruled by an army or a church..

Who is ruled by the Church?

What's wrong with Cypriot brains?

There is something wrong with Turkish+Greek+Cypriot brains, I can feel it even if I'm not a brain surgeon..
1 side follow a hypocrite army and the other side a hypocrite church instead of following common sense...
Am I wrong??

I do not want to talk about Turkey, but the president of Cyprus, the one that does nearly all decisions regarding how the country is run, is Tassos Papadopoulos, and he is neither a priest nor a religious fanatic! He was not appointedd by any priest or bishop, but instead he was elected democratically by the people!

Aman Kifea, I wont be surprised if u tell us Tpap is a saint in ur next posts..
He may be elected democratically, true..but I know what Church means for Greeks and wht Army for Turks..without their permission nothing works...and without those two life could have been much better for all of us..am I wrong again??

If my friend your intention is to compare how politics operate in Gcs side with Tcs side then you are in a very deap whole.

Simple ansewr: May be GCs leadership during the last 33 years are stupid , negotiating with Tcs leadership for a Cyprus problem solution (who are finally this TCs leadership-do they have an authority to negotiate such a thing?) but at least they do not ask any military stubit chief before they deside.

[humanist]

Hi Denizaksulu, thank you for your reply I enjoy someone who can challenge my viwes as you do. Thank you in helping me grow and develop to hopefully a better person than the one I was a minute ago or at least re-create my self anew. I had to laugh as it only appears to be no more than 5 Turkish speaking Cypriots on here minus the two = leaves three, (just making light of the whole thing frined. You are right my choice of educated was of a lack of a better word I do admit that. I did not mean someone who attended university as opposed to someone who didn't I have come to aaccept that not all those who hold university degrees possess more knowledge than those who may have been engaged in shepherding for example contemplating life and the being one with the earth. Yes you are right about everyone having the right to have their opinions also.

As far as hotheads losing their cool ............. ooooooops ...... I admit I have lost my cool in here also.

The experience and views of diasporia are also valid and of course their experience are their experience and no one elses. I am one of those fromdiasporia and a relative of a refugee and someone who was 6 years of age in Cyprus in 74 who watched my family grieve for a 17 year old uncle killed by the Turkish army only to be identified some 30 years later through DNA.

Finally wording is very important, as we do not have the luxury of the other means of communication as that of body language, facial expression etc .......... perhaps is a blessing that we do not have the luxury of that as it would probably mean that we would then be in the same room........... Gawd with all those Cypriot tempers rising that could be very dangerous. Once again thank you for the challenges.

Goodnight.

[denizaksulu]

Karmacigim, you say that life would be better for "all of us". Do I assume you are now wearing a "Cypriot Hat" or Fez or Turban, oh whatever.

[denizaksulu]

Humanist, you are confusing me now. Are you going to bed? You said Good Night. Or is it Siesta time? Have a good nap.

[bigOz]

The simple truth is, no GC (not many anyway) at this time want to believe that TCs are not half as stupid as they think, and they have genuine concerns about any agreements with the Greek side, that supersede anything which may come from any leader in Turkey!

I guess for the sake of sanity, everyone should agree and say "yes Talat is told by Turkey and the army how TCs should negotiate and what to say". Furthermore, admit that all TCs who actually had lived / are living in Cyprus under current leadership and conditions are all half-wits, awaiting for Epsilon and the rest of the GC posters in this forum to tell them they do not exist, but are imaginary characters addressing the void!

How sad indeed!

[EPSILON]

The simple truth is, no GC (not many anyway) at this time want to believe that TCs are not half as stupid as they think, and they have genuine concerns about any agreements with the Greek side, that supersede anything which may come from any leader in Turkey!

I guess for the sake of sanity, everyone should agree and say "yes Talat is told by Turkey and the army how TCs should negotiate and what to say". Furthermore, admit that all TCs who actually had lived / are living in Cyprus under current leadership and conditions are all half-wits, awaiting for Epsilon and the rest of the GC posters in this forum to tell them they do not exist, but are imaginary characters addressing the void!

How sad indeed!

Can you Sir in UK, be considered as citizen of the state unless you pay taxes, apply to state's authorities for official mdocuments (birth certificate, land certificate etc)? If not why this to apply in Cyprus. Are the TCs of a special kind of human beings? Can you consider a case a British citizen to copperate with Germans during WAR II? What would be his citizenship or rights result? Why Tcs to count differently ?
Is in Uk 1 person with a voting power of 4 other citizens? why Tcs to request such a right/ Are they a special kind of human beings?

[bigOz]

The simple truth is, no GC (not many anyway) at this time want to believe that TCs are not half as stupid as they think, and they have genuine concerns about any agreements with the Greek side, that supersede anything which may come from any leader in Turkey!

I guess for the sake of sanity, everyone should agree and say "yes Talat is told by Turkey and the army how TCs should negotiate and what to say". Furthermore, admit that all TCs who actually had lived / are living in Cyprus under current leadership and conditions are all half-wits, awaiting for Epsilon and the rest of the GC posters in this forum to tell them they do not exist, but are imaginary characters addressing the void!

How sad indeed!

Can you Sir in UK, be considered as citizen of the state unless you pay taxes, apply to state's authorities for official mdocuments (birth certificate, land certificate etc)? If not why this to apply in Cyprus. Are the TCs of a special kind of human beings? Can you consider a case a British citizen to copperate with Germans during WAR II? What would be his citizenship or rights result? Why Tcs to count differently ?
Is in Uk 1 person with a voting power of 4 other citizens? why Tcs to request such a right/ Are they a special kind of human beings?

Epsilon, first of all I reiterate that I am a born and bred Cypriot with a family tree going back few centuries. In other words I am not a British citizen at all.

TCs do have a special status in Cyprus as a direct result of what has been happening in Cyprus over the past 100 years. More so as a result of inter-communal fights and divorce over the past 50 years, that often made many think they were anything but "human beings". It is not as simple as likening it to UK and Germany or something else of no real relevance to current Cyprus issue.

You have to start thinking from a different angle, and view things through an independent perspective to start drawing any analogies with any other part of the world.

Whether people like it or not, irrespective of their ideals or political views, TCs exist! They have been existing on 1/3 of the island as an independent state, region, canton, republic whatever you wish to call them (again names are irrelevant) for the past 33 years IN PEACE! And their existence, political views and feelings must be taken into consideration when promoting any form of a settlement for the Republic of Cyprus that will accommodate all her citizens.

Now, please tell me what is not true in above statement and we may argue if it is relevant...

[Get Real!]

Epsilon, first of all I reiterate that I am a born and bred Cypriot with a family tree going back few centuries. In other words I am not a British citizen at all.

The ONLY Turkish Cypriots that avoided British citizenship are the 8,000 odd that left for Turkey to preserve their Turkish nationality in accordance with the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne so how on earth did your family avoid this if they were still living in Cyprus after this treaty was enforced?