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[miltiades]

VP WROTE:

"""""So now you are saying we are only joint owners with GCs on an individual basis? but not on a community level? either we are or we are not, you are not being very clearand should clarify exactly what you mean so that everyone can understand your Cypriot ideology.

Can you also answer the following question, if GCs represent the English then who do the TCs represent in the UK? The Pakistanis or the Scottish? """"

VP , are you playing stupid or are you stupid. What I said is this ""CYPRUS BELONGS TO ALL CYPRIOTS " .In this context of course the T/Cs are co owners , not meaning that THEY OWN 50 OR 60 OR ANY GIVEN PERCENTAGE OF LAND OR ASSETS.

When the author of this thread asked " Are TCs joint owners of Cyprus " he did not mean that the T/Cs or the G/Cs owned equal amounts of land or assets. I f I own a house in Cyprus and a T/C owns 10 houses in Cyprus , that does not make us equal land owners , the question is deeper than individual land ownership.
I say the T/Cs are co owners of Cyprus , I also say the same about other Cypriots, it does not mean that they own equal amounts of land , houses , money or other assets . You can not possibly be serious in saying that the two hundred thousand or so Cypriots whose land and properties were taken away from them are in the wrong fore wanting it back because those who took their land are their co owners of Cyprus !!
Let me make simple for you to understand. A Cypriot standing on his own , in Cyprus , has as much rights as a Cypriot standing with a crowd , but he does not have the right to demand that he shares the property of those in the crowd. We are a capitalist nation , and individual ownership of land , money and assets is no a crime.

What the hell does this mean VP """"Can you also answer the following question, if GCs represent the English then who do the TCs represent in the UK? The Pakistanis or the Scottish? """

[Kifeas]

Can you also answer the following question, if GCs represent the English then who do the TCs represent in the UK? The Pakistanis or the Scottish?

If you refer to the UK, neither the GCs can be paralleled with the English, nor the TCs with the Scottish! The English originate from England, the Scottish from Scotland! In Cyprus there is no area called the Greekcypriotland, for the GCs to originate from, neither there is an area called the Turkishcypriotland!

What we have in Cyprus is an illegal invasion by Turkey, a foreign country, an ethnic cleansing of GCs from the north part of Cyprus by Turkey and an illegal occupation of 37% of Cyprus by Turkey! Absolutely no relationship with your Scotland vs. England nonsense!

[Viewpoint]

miltiades before responding to your post, you yet again accuse me of being stupid I warned you to refrain from this as it was not how we should address each other as it is does not encourage the right quality of debate, either you apologise and stop doing this or I will be forced to respond in the following manner.... who the fucking hell do you think you are you bastard scum bag of a moron.

The choice is yours.

[Kifeas]

VP, do you agree that a partition deal can only be possible if the TC community decides so in a referendum, and then you choose a territory portion equal to the demographical ratio, i.e. 82:18 percent, minus the whatever percentage of TCs will choose to remain RoC citizens and stay within the areas under RoC control?

I agree Kifeas but show me an example where the land distribution was decided in relation to the population distribution, also kindly allow for GCs who will not sell their land and will want to return to the TRNC. Do you believe that all GCs will sell up in the area desginated the TC state? I doubt this very much if you are any eaxmple to go by longing to return to your ancestral lands.

On what basis then it should be decided, VP? On the basis of the ottoman laws of Lala Mustafa Pasha, or on the basis of the Islamic "kismet," or on the basis of your father's law which says that "one Turk equals the whole world?"

[Viewpoint]

Can you also answer the following question, if GCs represent the English then who do the TCs represent in the UK? The Pakistanis or the Scottish?

If you refer to the UK, neither the GCs can be paralleled with the English, nor the TCs with the Scottish! The English originate from England, the Scottish from Scotland! In Cyprus there is no area called the Greekcypriotland, for the GCs to originate from, neither there is an area called the Turkishcypriotland!

What we have in Cyprus is an illegal invasion by Turkey, a foreign country, an ethnic cleansing of GCs from the north part of Cyprus by Turkey and an illegal occupation of 37% of Cyprus by Turkey! Absolutely no relationship with your Scotland vs. England nonsense!

There is a parallel it just does not serve your purpose look at it from this angle do the Pakistanis and Scots have the same rights under the structure of the UK? Do the Scots have more of a say in the running and future of the UK than the Pakistanis? Have the Scots owned land for hundreds of years in the UK in comparision to the Pakistanis? there is a vast difference its really where you place the TCs, do you see us more like the Scots even though our land rights were scattered all over the island the rights are still the same or do you views us like Pakistanis who assimilate in society and have to start 100 paces behind an English person to get a job let alone take part in running the country.

[Viewpoint]

VP, do you agree that a partition deal can only be possible if the TC community decides so in a referendum, and then you choose a territory portion equal to the demographical ratio, i.e. 82:18 percent, minus the whatever percentage of TCs will choose to remain RoC citizens and stay within the areas under RoC control?

I agree Kifeas but show me an example where the land distribution was decided in relation to the population distribution, also kindly allow for GCs who will not sell their land and will want to return to the TRNC. Do you believe that all GCs will sell up in the area desginated the TC state? I doubt this very much if you are any eaxmple to go by longing to return to your ancestral lands.

On what basis then it should be decided, VP? On the basis of the ottoman laws of Lala Mustafa Pasha, or on the basis of the Islamic "kismet," or on the basis of your father's law which says that "one Turk equals the whole world?"

ON the basis od Bizonal Bicommunal Federation with Political Equality on a 29% 71% split where everyone can decide which state they wish to reside in accepting that the the north will be run by TCs and south by GCs. With a revised property proposal for refugees with land return where posssible and current value compensation deals.

[Viewpoint]

VP WROTE:

"""""So now you are saying we are only joint owners with GCs on an individual basis? but not on a community level? either we are or we are not, you are not being very clearand should clarify exactly what you mean so that everyone can understand your Cypriot ideology.

Can you also answer the following question, if GCs represent the English then who do the TCs represent in the UK? The Pakistanis or the Scottish? """"

VP , are you playing stupid or are you stupid. What I said is this ""CYPRUS BELONGS TO ALL CYPRIOTS " .In this context of course the T/Cs are co owners , not meaning that THEY OWN 50 OR 60 OR ANY GIVEN PERCENTAGE OF LAND OR ASSETS.

When the author of this thread asked " Are TCs joint owners of Cyprus " he did not mean that the T/Cs or the G/Cs owned equal amounts of land or assets. I f I own a house in Cyprus and a T/C owns 10 houses in Cyprus , that does not make us equal land owners , the question is deeper than individual land ownership.
I say the T/Cs are co owners of Cyprus , I also say the same about other Cypriots, it does not mean that they own equal amounts of land , houses , money or other assets . You can not possibly be serious in saying that the two hundred thousand or so Cypriots whose land and properties were taken away from them are in the wrong fore wanting it back because those who took their land are their co owners of Cyprus !!
Let me make simple for you to understand. A Cypriot standing on his own , in Cyprus , has as much rights as a Cypriot standing with a crowd , but he does not have the right to demand that he shares the property of those in the crowd. We are a capitalist nation , and individual ownership of land , money and assets is no a crime.

What the hell does this mean VP """"Can you also answer the following question, if GCs represent the English then who do the TCs represent in the UK? The Pakistanis or the Scottish? """

Co-ownership or joint-ownership has nothing to do with land ownership try to understand this....joint ownership means does my community have an equal stake in this country, does my word have just as much wiehgt as yours and how can I stop you from sell us out using your numerical advantage?

The question is simple, how do you see TCs when comparing our situation to the UK, both are Pakistanis and Scots are minorities but have totally different rights with regards to the future of the UK and running their own people in a desginated area. Do you see us the Pakistanis or the Scots?

[miltiades]

miltiades before responding to your post, you yet again accuse me of being stupid I warned you to refrain from this as it was not how we should address each other as it is does not encourage the right quality of debate, either you apologise and stop doing this or I will be forced to respond in the following manner.... who the fucking hell do you think you are you bastard scum bag of a moron.

The choice is yours.

What I said is the following:
"""""VP , are you playing stupid or are you stupid. """

You respond in a way that tells me exactly what you are !!
In all of my 2600 posts I never once called you this filthy names , I questioned your mental state I did not imply that you are Stupid , but obviously I must have hit a sensitive nerve to get the response that you gave. Never mind VP , your true colours were known long ago by most on this forum. Let me pose the question once more . VP, are you stupid or just plain vulgar ?

[Kifeas]

VP, do you agree that a partition deal can only be possible if the TC community decides so in a referendum, and then you choose a territory portion equal to the demographical ratio, i.e. 82:18 percent, minus the whatever percentage of TCs will choose to remain RoC citizens and stay within the areas under RoC control?

I agree Kifeas but show me an example where the land distribution was decided in relation to the population distribution, also kindly allow for GCs who will not sell their land and will want to return to the TRNC. Do you believe that all GCs will sell up in the area desginated the TC state? I doubt this very much if you are any eaxmple to go by longing to return to your ancestral lands.

On what basis then it should be decided, VP? On the basis of the ottoman laws of Lala Mustafa Pasha, or on the basis of the Islamic "kismet," or on the basis of your father's law which says that "one Turk equals the whole world?"

ON the basis od Bizonal Bicommunal Federation with Political Equality on a 29% 71% split where everyone can decide which state they wish to reside in accepting that the the north will be run by TCs and south by GCs. With a revised property proposal for refugees with land return where posssible and current value compensation deals.

You mean I suppose like the Annan plan "solution," but with even worst property provisions for the GCs!

And why should we accept a 70:30 split, if you do not accept that we should not be treated like second class citizens if we choose to reside in the north, just like you have meant to do with the Annan plan? Why should you TCs, the 18%, rule the 30% of Cyprus? Is it because it is your "kismet?"

[Viewpoint]

miltiades before responding to your post, you yet again accuse me of being stupid I warned you to refrain from this as it was not how we should address each other as it is does not encourage the right quality of debate, either you apologise and stop doing this or I will be forced to respond in the following manner.... who the fucking hell do you think you are you bastard scum bag of a moron.

The choice is yours.

What I said is the following:
"""""VP , are you playing stupid or are you stupid. """

You respond in a way that tells me exactly what you are !!
In all of my 2600 posts I never once called you this filthy names , I questioned your mental state I did not imply that you are Stupid , but obviously I must have hit a sensitive nerve to get the response that you gave. Never mind VP , your true colours were known long ago by most on this forum. Let me pose the question once more . VP, are you stupid or just plain vulgar ?

Stop playing the virgin and look back at your own posts, your scarcasm and verbal insults are all over them I politely warned you to stop this as it lowers the tone of the forum but unfortunately you chose to ignore this and therefore warrant the above if you continue then I can produce a lot worse when provoked, keep a civil tongue and you will get the same kind of civil response.