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[denizaksulu]

Kallinichtas, iyi geceler , goodnight Kafenessian, Yorgo, Ali

[kafenes]

Kisher pari

[denizaksulu]

Thanks for that. I felt guilty not knowing the correct words. All the Armenians I knew always spoke Turkish, so never picked up any.

Kisher pari

[humanist]

Get Real thank you vey much for your response, a when I first joined the forum I came on with an open mind and open to discuss possibilities for bringing people together and infact I thought that the RoC needed to do more to make a solution possible.

Two weeks ago three particular memebers mocked me in my post about my 17 year old uncle being killed by the Turkish gun. I also maintained that I had a beef with Turkey and not the Turkish speaking Cypriots and deep down I know that not all Turkish speaking Cypriots want division not are they to blame for the occupation of Cyprus.

Today my view is different but I need to remmebr that the few Turkish spaeking Cypriots on this forum are not representatives of the whole Turkish speaking Cypriot community.

Today I do not feel I can trust Turkish Speaking Cypriots, I believe they are deserving of economic and political isolation, so long as they occupy part of the country that belongs to all Cypriots then I care less for them. I am sick and tired of their racists remarks towards Greek speaking Cypriots and their hate towards their comaptriots. If they want to allign more with the Turks then that is their right but get the fuck out of my country that is what I say, They gorillas of the highets degree and no different to hamas as far as I am concerned.

They are selfish self serving manipulating people who thrive on the expense of others, I can understand their beef with the greek speaking population however the way they have and continue to treat Armenian Cypriots and Maronites and the way the devalue those mnority groups indicate to me they come froma barbaric ideology. The fact that the illegal regime they live in bans Maronite Cypriots from passing down inheritance to future generations shows nothing more than self serving purposes that contain no justice for anyone.

I for one will fight with letters to EU to personalyy stop any aid and any end to economic isolation of the so called "trnc". I have already began that several times to both the finish presidency and the current german presidency and will continue to do so, as long as they occupy land that does not belong to them and as long as the rights of refugees are violated by each individual Turkish Cypriot who chooses to do so. It is as simple as that they all choose to violate refugee rights, as long as they live and occupy refugee homes and use their properties thay are assisting in the violation of human rights.

I still maintain that the RoC needs to show their willingness for unification of one country one political and socioeconomic nation. It can do this by financial assistance for those CYPRIOTS who wish to move to the south, it can do this by employing Turkish speaking teachers within the education system and by teaching alll students both languages and even the other minoirty languages at school, multiliguism never hurt anyone. It can make changes by employing more medical personnel in the health care system and I would support incentives for those staff to move to the south, it can assist in the tahat by changing the national anthem to be inclussive of all Cypriots and the Helenism identity removed from the face of Cyprus, these are things that can be implememnted immediately. It can assist by re-husing those Cypriots currently occupying refugee property in the north and those who wish to move to the south, all Turkish speaking Cypriot property occupied by refugees in the south needs to be made available to the rightful owners, I appreciate refugees will be put out again but we need to show that we are a more evolved people willing to do the right thing,,

If those Cypriots living in the north are not concerned about coming to work in the south everyday, using the health care system then they needen't be concerne about their safety, their safety has not been compromised in the last three four years I doubt that they need to worry now, if they are happy to say we are Cypriots and want EU passports they need to show it by making moves to be valued, contributing members of the Republic of Cyprus not use it for their benefit only and when it suits them.

My apologies to Kikapu and Birk in advance for my very direct post, I appreciate their Cypriotism and their love for the country is unquestionable.

[denizaksulu]

Good morning Humanist;I have read your last post and at the very first paragraph I was encouraged by your views. However it is very sad that you have changed your mind about the TCs. You did admit that not all TTs were "bad" then you say you do not trust TCs anymore. There are Cypriots in both camps who have similar thoughts. There are Cypriots who want to perpetuate the animocity towards each other. What I would like to say is that those who really want an equally acceptible solution should vote with their feet. Coming to the reasons which have changed your mind about TCs I would like to share your anger as I also deplore the loss of the "rights" you mention.
Further, whatever firebrands say, I do not feel the necesity of the Turkish armys' presence on the island after a solution has been found which will be acceptible to the majority of Cypriots. These ofcourse includes what you call other minorities, our fellow Cypriots Armenians,Maronite, Latins and do not forget the TCs.
I dont think I can change your mind but I believe in the sincerity of a number of GCs (correction non-Turkish Speaking Cypriots) and TCs on this forum, and while there are people like that there is still hope for the future.
Cyprus for the Cypriots

Regards, DA

Regards

[miltiades]

Good morning Humanist;I have read your last post and at the very first paragraph I was encouraged by your views. However it is very sad that you have changed your mind about the TCs. You did admit that not all TTs were "bad" then you say you do not trust TCs anymore. There are Cypriots in both camps who have similar thoughts. There are Cypriots who want to perpetuate the animocity towards each other. What I would like to say is that those who really want an equally acceptible solution should vote with their feet. Coming to the reasons which have changed your mind about TCs I would like to share your anger as I also deplore the loss of the "rights" you mention.
Further, whatever firebrands say, I do not feel the necesity of the Turkish armys' presence on the island after a solution has been found which will be acceptible to the majority of Cypriots. These ofcourse includes what you call other minorities, our fellow Cypriots Armenians,Maronite, Latins and do not forget the TCs.
I dont think I can change your mind but I believe in the sincerity of a number of GCs (correction non-Turkish Speaking Cypriots) and TCs on this forum, and while there are people like that there is still hope for the future.
Cyprus for the Cypriots

Regards, DA

Regards

Denizaksulu , with every post that you contribute my level of admiration and respect for a fellow Cypriot in ceases tenfold. Humanist has been a consistent Cypriot since joining this forum and I can understand that at times when you feel that your banging your head against a brick wall tends to leave you in a state of frustration. I'm lucky that on a daily basis I interact with T/Cs , in view of my business , and therefore I know how the vast majority feel and the few with opposing views do not influence my judgement. I have so many close friends from Cyprus and I know deep down we are all the same , we have the same wants and the same needs , those of us who can empathise with our brothers and appreciate their past suffering and pain have the strength to say sorry on behalf of what ever side we came from. On my desk I know have a stone , used as a paper weight , that carries the name of my dear friends' village ISTINJO . Its a small token of my admiration of a great Cypriot , and a way of saying to all other T/Cs that I and many many more like me appreciate what they must have gone through during those turbulent years of the early 60s. It is in the past now and we have moved on. It is time now to close that chapter and start a fresh one . Reciprocation is very much a characteristic of our people T/Cs G/Cs and Armenians are all hospitable folk who will unhesitatingly will offer you their handshake in response to yours.
My commitment will remain towards a United Cyprus . My comments on the "TRNC" will not waiver simply because as a committed Cypriot will never accept the annexation or partition of our island because I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that conflict and more conflict will be the result of such developments , the Cypriots of the future will never accept such division and the fire of conflict will smoulder on until it turns into an inferno with dire consequences .

[humanist]

denizaksulu, thank you for your response and it is nice to hear from you. I am happy to hear that there is hope for the future, I think I have given up, I was 6 years in 1974 and I am 39 years now. Hope for the future, may be not in my lifetime. More frustrating , both communities suffer and loose out each and everyday in becoming one loving people and thriving sociologically and economicaly in building a unique society within the larger arena of the EU, (yet another problem as the "trnc" leadership apires for an end to economic isolation and therefore a perceived passageway to recognition @ the expense of refugees).

I want to also acknowledge that yes in the past there was discrimination and there was bigotry towards the Turkish speaking community in Cyprus, two righst do not make a wrong especially if nothing has changed in 33 years. We are coming to yet another aniversary of the Turkish Invasion and no wher near a solution, the Berlin wall has come down and Cyprus still divided when will this hardship end a hardship that does not need be there. Firstly we are all HUMAN beings, beings of God/ Universe what ever you want to call it. Secondly we are all children, siblings, sons, daughters, parents (well may be not all of us), cousins. Thirdly we are Cypriots, neighbours, friends, (in @ least two cases that I know) relatives and at the fartherest we are compatriots.

I appreciate your coment about people voting with their feet, something that I mentioned, whilst I realise it is not as easy as that it is possible and the responsibility lies within the RoC to ensure this happens, it needs to devise a plan and policies that will enable this, secondly it needs to advertise this at the green line access points and through televison and radio advertising that assistance will be given to those Cypriots from the north who wish to re-claim their properties, those whose properties have been used for public works such as hospitals, airports etc to be fairly compensayed and re-housed in the south, and most importantly the judicial system needs to have amendments making racism and discrimination and violence agaisnt anyone illegal, tough and carrying severe sentences for guilty person. Once this is done then people I believe will begin their move, once again I am not sure what the consequesnces will be for those people by the Turkish military rule and the leadership of the "trnc". Another factor in doing so.

Thank you for acknowledging other minority groups, though I prefer to think of all of us as Cypriots who speak, Turkish, are muslim,are Christiann speak Armenian, speak Greek etc. I am sure you are an inteligent person you get my drift. Unfortunately I cannot comment on the trnc because I have never heard of their leadersip speaking of unification, it always speaks of the other and their actions do not show willingness to assist in the process. Once again I am not sure what leaverage the Turkish army holds. Perhaps Talat needs to spill the beans and request amnesty from the UN, provided there are any issues I am merely putting plausibility forward.

Another coment on the resposnsibilities of the RoC to attract Cypriots living in the north move to the south is to re-enact the constitution's article of the Turkish speaking Cypriot Parliamentarians to represent the interests of Cypriots speaking Turkish residing in the south. That will at least show initiative, respect and partnership the way it should be.

Lastly thank you for sharing in the vision for a United Peoples Republic of Cyprus.

Regards
Andreas

[denizaksulu]

Hi Miltiades and Humanist Andreas, having read your posts makes my heart warm and my eyes swell. I have noticed the stumbling blocks you have mentioned and agree with you. There are also perceived stumbling blocks in the RoC as well. These are also reflected in some forum members comments. I tend to ignore them but in reality they have to be addressed. It will not be easy, its an uphill struggle and we must strive to achieve peace and harmony in the "United Peoples Republic of Cyprus". Politicians take not - as well as voters!

[humanist]

Good morning Denizaksulu & Miltiades, and thank you for your posts. And ofcourse my heart and eyes have had the same reaction as yours my friend DA.

[miltiades]

I know how you feel, and I am sure you will understand how I feel when asked where am I from or what am I, and I am always proud to say "I am Cypriot" and they always reply "oh! so you're greek then" .

It is so refreshing to have you on the forum denizaksulu , I also reply when asked , that I'm a Cypriot , generally though I am asked if Greek Or Turkish , I reply again stating that I'm a Cypriot Greek and Turkish , it leaves them scratching their heads !!