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[Piratis]

Nobody said they are unfair in general or they are nt acceptable in the world. What we are saying is they are not fair in the case of Cyprus and they are not feasible in Cyprus situation.

Ok, so what is fair in the whole world, it is not fair in Cyprus. In Cyprus the TCs decide what is fair, which just happens to be unlike what is applied in any other democratic country.

I can point out to you hundreds of different kinds of solutions plans, government styles, constitutions, which are all fair and democratic, but some of them can be applicable to Cyprus and some can not.

hundreds? There are about 200 countries in the world. Can you point to me not 100s but 5 fair and democratic countries that you would accept to adopt their system without fundamental changes?

I would accept to adopt the system of any EU country, or the systems of other democratic countries like USA (federal example), Australia, Canada (bi-communal, bi-regional example) and lots more.

Lets see your list.

[Nickp]

Regardless of what people think of President Pappadopoulous. I dont know what his strategy is but up until now i've seen him to be a very clever president.

If he fooled the EU in beliveing Cyprus was going to vote 'yes' on the annan plan. The main goal was achieved by entering into he EU. For once Cyprus, would have a weapon and an incentive to get Turkey to compromoise. In my own personal opinion, i think he would have encougraged a 'yes' vote should have the UN negotiatios not neglected the GC's concerns instead of satisfying Turkey's demand.

In terms of stating what changes he wants to the Annan plan, it's best not to say anything until negotiaions start. When you play poker you don't reveal what cards your playing.

If everybody thought he was naive or stubburn as people say, he would have vetoed Turkey's negotiations date, but he didn't. Take into account, this is not the easiest thing not do if your a GC. To miss the greatist opporuntity to punish Turkey against the suffering it has caused against the GC's. But regardless, he was clear headed and made the right decision for everyone's interests.

I dont know what the guy's history is, but i know he's a lawyer and he's doing his best to protect the GC's rights from Turkey's greedy interests.

[insan]

For once Cyprus, would have a weapon and an incentive to get Turkey to compromoise.

Compromise? Compromise on all issues or some issues? We well know that any solution giving less than the full control of Cyprus in the hands of Tassos wil not satisfactory for him. Again, he will find hundreds of excuses to reject the plan. Even Akel, DISY and many international political analyst stated that Tassos' speech regarding the rejection of Annan Plan was full of exaggerations and irrational, unfounded claims.

In my own personal opinion, i think he would have encougraged a 'yes' vote should have the UN negotiatios not neglected the GC's concerns instead of satisfying Turkey's demand.

All concerns of GCs harm the interests of TCs and all concerns of TCs harm the interests of GCs, not Turkey.

According to the results of Alexandros' Survey majority of TCs wants Turkey's guarantorship, object to repatriation of all settlers and return of all refugees, object to majority rule; etc etc. Which Turkish demands satisfied by Annan Plan. Do you think that all the things majority of TCs demand are actually the Turkey's demands. If so, this means you haven't well understood the essentials of the Cyprus problem, yet.

In terms of stating what changes he wants to the Annan plan, it's best not to say anything until negotiaions start. When you play poker you don't reveal what cards your playing.

Locally he stated all the changes he wants in his famous speech just before the April 20 referanda and afterwards, in many of his speeches and interviews. The fact is that he hasn't made it official to UNSG, yet. The international political climate and circumstances; particularly among EU countries are not adequate for him to make his demands official to UNSG. At the moment he is not sure whether the international political powers would back or not his demands. Therefore he will do everything to detain in order not to reach a solution that does not give him what he wants; until the international political powers dominantly back his thesis and pressurize Turkey to accept them. Tassos has some good trumps: International law, EU acquis, EU membership negotiations of Turkey and Turkey opponent political groups. He will use these trumps until the dominant political powers of world back or refuse him. This is where he based his game upon. I don't think he will manage to achieve his goal.

If everybody thought he was naive or stubburn as people say, he would have vetoed Turkey's negotiations date, but he didn't. Take into account, this is not the easiest thing not do if your a GC. To miss the greatist opporuntity to punish Turkey against the suffering it has caused against the GC's. But regardless, he was clear headed and made the right decision for everyone's interests.

He couldn't veto Turkey because he can't if the big boys of EU do not let him. Could he veto Turkey despite the warnings the EU's big boys? Never. Now Tassos expects at least some of the EU's big boy will change their minds about Turkey and back tassos solution thesis. In early 2006, if Turkey still has insisted not to give the things that Tassos demands and if some of the big boys of EU; such as Germany, France and Austria back Tassos thesis; Tassos together with those big boys of EU will begin talk about vetoing Turkey.

I dont know what the guy's history is, but i know he's a lawyer and he's doing his best to protect the GC's rights from Turkey's greedy interests.

Ahaaa! What are those greedy interests of Turkey? Protecting TCs against the greedy extremists of Hellenic world and ensure the security of her south coasts? Something more..?

[tcypriot]

It is extremely not important that the leader of the terrorist regime invited Turkey to negotiate the Cyprus problem because no country can negotiate on behalf of the Turkish Cypriot Nation and if you want peace,stability and a solution on the island of Cyprus, you have to find the mutually acceptable terms with the Turkish Cypriot Nation not with any other state or organisation.The leader of the terrorist regime Papadoppolos, continuously rejects the TRNC prime minister's offers for negotiation, that is what important is.

[tcypriot]

Actually Tassos did not fool the eu in believing that "Cyprus" was going to vote yes, he fooled the europeans about the fact that greek cypriot community would vote yes. There are two equal and free nations on the island of Cyprus and without the consent of the Turkish Cypriot Nation, no idea, organisation or behaviour can represent the whole of Cyprus thus be named after the whole island.

Turkish Cypriot Nation voted for peace, south voted for the reverse but this does not mean that "Cyprus" did not vote for peace.

Germany has 200 times more population than malta but if and when Germany ratifies the european constitution it yet wont mean that malta has also ratified the European Constitution because Germany has more population.

Other than the geographical name of the island there's no such thing as Cyprus currently though many greek cypriots misleadingly always prefer to refer to their hellenic organisation as "Cyprus" completely disregarding the will and existence of the other equal nation the Turkish Cypriot Nation.

[-mikkie2-]

The leader of the terrorist regime Papadoppolos, continuously rejects the TRNC prime minister's offers for negotiation, that is the important thing.

Talat is not the leder of the Turkish Cypriots. He is the leader of the CTP. He is in a minority government that does not function. The only time our 'terrorist' leader will negotiate with Talat is after your 'presidential' elections in April.

[tcypriot]

The fact that Talat is not the TRNC president does not mean that he does not have any negotiating power, denktas has transferred his negotiating capacity to talat.

But still Denktas is someone to hide behind for the gc politicians as to mask their rejectionist ideas.

The truth is; it's not the Turkish Cypriot Nation that the Greek Cypriot Administration is eager to negotiate with* it's Turkey that they are trying to negotiate, so even after the TRNC presidential elections, i dont think a positive move from the GC leadership can be awaited but more time consuming tricks to reach the date turkey is to start the eu negotiations as to force Turkey thus the Turkish Cypriot Nation to recognise the terrorist regime as the Cyprus Republic. But those will be useless tricks and will be of no use other than alienating our two communities more.

*Even Christofias, who is the leader of a party that is supposed to be more friendly to the Turkish Cypriots, at an interview of his with a turkish cypriot journalist, unashamed suggested that the Greek Cypriot administration bypassing the tcs and negotiating with Turkey actually was of no threat to the rights of the tcs

[Piratis]

tcypriot,

The Martians are ready to discuss with the Turkish Cypriot Nation a deal concerning Wonderland. Alice died recently and now Wonderland needs a new leader. The TRNC president along with Pinocchio are the two main candidates right now and we need to decide who is the best for this position.

Regards,
Mickey Mouse

[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

Turkcyp apparently is very bothered by my questions and he is trying to avoid answering them and hit me personally instead. The fact is that he failed to give even one country which he considers to have a constitution that would be fair to Cyprus.
This just proves that their version of "fair and just" is simply what they want to impose on us with the force of weapons, so they can steal as much land as possible, limit our human rights as much as possible, and suck from us as much money as possible. This is what is fair for Turkcyp, and there is no need to be a professor in English to understand it.

And I guess we have started with US constitution. But for some reason you stop writing to that topic.

It was apparent from the beginning that you wanted to modify the fundamental principles of the US constitution, so there was no reason to discuss it. I remember from the first phrase you changed something like "We the people of United states ..." to "We the Greek and Turkish people ....". In the US constitution it doesn't say "We the black and white people... ", or "We the Californians, New Yorkers .. " either.

If you are ready to adopt the US constitution, and with adopt I mean changing the words "United states" to "United Cyprus" etc, without changing anything from the philosophy, functionality and balance of it, then I agree. Unfortunately you want to change the US or any other system to a disguised partition, and this is why you have so much problem to find even 5 countries of which you believe we can adopt their constitution. Because disguised partition even if they existed in the past somewhere, they have apparently not manage to survive.