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[Greek Cypriot]

There's nothing "better" to wait for.

I agree 100% with this. TC are under the control of Turkey and this is prooven time after time for several decates. Turkey does not care for anybody else except its own interests.
A stable condition in Cyprus is against Turkish interest. Turkey wants some instability and some conflict so TC will always feel the need for the Turkish troops to be in Cyprus.

Yes, this is impossible. TRNC is a result of illegal military occupation and will NEVER be recognized.

I agree that TRNC will never be recognized but I disagree for the reason given. What is "right" and "leagl" serve only as excuses in power politics. What matters are the interests of the great powers. Americans and British want to secure their own interests and care for nothing more.
Their own interests is "no war and serious military conflicts" but at the same time "no total peace and perfectly stable situation".

If TRNC was recognized the British Bases in Cyprus would have a lot of problems. The constitution of 1960 will cease to exist and since we will be in the EU now they might be even forced to leave.

So the only one that will benefit if we say no and you say yes is Turkey since they will probably be able to get the "date".

[metecyp]

Turkey wants some instability and some conflict so TC will always feel the need for the Turkish troops to be in Cyprus.

And that's why G/Cs should be extra sensitive in dealing with matters relating to T/Cs. T/Cs are confused, they don't know who to trust.

On one hand, T/Cs want to live in a peaceful united Cyprus, but on the other hand, they cannot forget what happenned in the past, and they can't ignore the attitute of many G/Cs towards them.

On the other hand, T/Cs want some Turkish military presence on the island, but they don't want to be told what to do as it has been the case since 1974. They are also not happy about the growing number of mainland Turks replacing their population in the north.

T/Cs are literally between a rock and a hard place, but a peaceful united Cyprus is much more desirable by T/Cs. Attitute of G/Cs towards T/Cs is the main decisive factor here. Once the ball starts rolling (i.e. trust building between communities), much of the discussion here on Annan plan, its functionality (or more like nonfunctionality) and its limitations will be meaningless.

So the only one that will benefit if we say no and you say yes is Turkey since they will probably be able to get the "date".

You might be right, but I also read in several Turkish newspapers that "No" from Greek side and "Yes" from Turkish side might result lifting embargos on the north. While this is not recognition of TRNC, lifting of embargos might still mean partial victory for the status quo in the north.

[michalis]

The Anan Plan is a very thoughtful comprehensive plan , When I first gave a glance at the plan I was amazed on the way had been constructed in such a detail and so many provisions.

Those that are against the Anan plan please give us a fair plan that will be mutually acceptable by both communities !

thank you

[Greek Cypriot]

When I first gave a glance at the plan I was amazed on the way had been constructed in such a detail and so many provisions.

= overly complicated with ambiguous points.

Those that are against the Anan plan please give us a fair plan that will be mutually acceptable by both communities !

Annans plan is neither fair nor mutually acceptable.

[michalis]

No the Anan plan it is very simple and can perfectly function in any normal country like japan , USA , Germany , France , UK . Well If Cyprus is not a normal country probably this remains to be verified.

I asked If you have an alternative plan that can be mutually acceptable state here on this forum .

I strongly accept the Anan plan there is no problem with the plan.

The UN have very clearly stated that there will be no future plan other than the Anan plan . So we do not have many options in from of us Either

a) Accept the Anan plan
b) Accept the division of the Island

Or do we want to wait another 30 years ?

Denkatsh Also disagrees with the Plan So what are the difference those who disagree with the Anan plan and Denktash .

I hate all this brainwashing that I hear every day from public media. I hate corruption. I hate Greek and Turkish Fanatics.

I love Greek and Turks peaceseeking and forward thinkers.

[Greek Cypriot]

Michalis,

1) Do you speak Greek?

2)Are you one of those that purchased land in the north the last few days and you are afraid that you loose your investment.

3)Are you over 18?

I am sorry to ask such questions, but some of the things you said are ridiculous. Like this one:

the Anan plan it is very simple and can perfectly function in any normal country like japan , USA , Germany , France , UK

[metecyp]

Annans plan is neither fair ...

Annan plan is fair as much as possible. Both sides can claim that it is not fair and pick out certain part of Annan plan to prove their claim. But given the differences between two sides on Cyprus issue, Annan plan is as fair as a plan ca n get without disregarding the wishes of the sides.

... nor mutually acceptable.

You're right, Annan plan is not mutually acceptable but there will never be a plan that will be mutually acceptable to both sides, this is a fact. I see this plan the first concrete chance for a solution, however imperfect that solution would be. So, either we'll grab this chance when we're so close to a solution, or we'll let it go hoping that a better solution will come one day in 20,30 or maybe 40 years.

[PEACE]

Michalis,

1) Do you speak Greek?

2)Are you one of those that purchased land in the north the last few days and you are afraid that you loose your investment.

3)Are you over 18?

I am sorry to ask such questions, but some of the things you said are ridiculous

Greek Cypripot ! You are so rude ! Are you saying this "Discussing"?You can not discuss a subject by insulting others!

2)Are you one of those that purchased land in the north the last few days and you are afraid that you loose your investment.

We are coming accross with this type of baseless blamings! When that ones can't reply logically or someone thinks opposite to them they are doing what u are doing ! Guess who are they? Fanatic Tcs who don't want peace or grey wolves ! I never respect to this group's ideas!So if you want to respect to your thoughts first you have to stop insulting messeges!

[michalis]

Your reply Greekcypriot make me ONLY TO LAUGH !!

But Are you a greekcypriot ?

[michalis]

The Anan Plan has been prepared and constructed by an INDEPENDENT ORGANISATION The UN . It has been Prepared by Professionals that are well aware about economics and Law and has been approved by USA , EU and the whole international community.

I just Laugh when I see all this comedy around trying to find weaknesses of the PLAN.

I did not know that we had so many CLEVER economist here!

Even the Priest are know too much about Economics , Even a lawer or a pshycologist are PERFECT ECONOMIST IN CYPRUS!

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