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[PEACE]

This plan is not 50%-50%.

You say this that is not ! What's in real? UN is working against you? Also EU? Please be logical ! The plan is set up from so sensetive balances ! Quarantors is utilizing this plan also ! Lawyers,proffesors,politicans... Noone wants a bad solution ! Of course u make ur own search.Please look first to system's stabilty and after look to economical part ! If you carefully search and read the plan u can see that "sensetive balance"!

Dectash is saying what he is saying because he always asks for more and more and more and more and more and more ....

Of course he did and he'll do ! This is politics man! But i don't like his politic way ! You can want only that are logical and posible to gain.(also lawful)Also you have to have goodwill.Denktas hasn't got goodwill !


On the other hand you have to demand the most at first ! If you don't other side does it ! In my opinion u get less than u want evertime in negotations.Cos it can't be %100 of your benefit.But your ideas can be good for finding a middle way! Understood?



P.S : I'm not a politican and these were my own ideas ! I'm just a law student !

[metecyp]

This plan is not 50%-50%

You're not asking for 50%-50% anyway. Your "full democracy" demand means a plan is acceptable if it is 20%-80% (proportional to population). And you will never ever get such a plan, not in this world.

[PEACE]

Yup ! Mete is right ! You want that ! This is population ratio ! 20/80%!
You are demanding to give rights according to this ratio !Even in 1960 Republic it was 30/70% !

[Guest]

You're not asking for 50%-50% anyway. Your "full democracy" demand means a plan is acceptable if it is 20%-80% (proportional to population). And you will never ever get such a plan, not in this world.

Is full democracy bad? We will continue to fight for democracy and human rights. Maybe for you islamists democracy is not important, for us it is.

[PEACE]

A full democracy in your words will come with time . We need time.Annan Plan is like what i say!

[Greek Cypriot]

A full democracy in your words will come with time . We need time.Annan Plan is like what i say!

I could agree with giving some time 2-5-10-20 years. But this time should be defined. Because the way you say it this time will come whenever you decide it.

[PEACE]

My friend ! You won't even realize when time come ! Everything is automatic.We can't know when the collapsed trust bridges will be build again for what you want ! But be sure if both sides shows its goodwill and friendship to other side this "transition period" will pass fast! It depends on you and us! We can shorten the period also we can make it longer.Its important to give each other "trust" and "friendship". Everything depends on US ! Not any other factor!

[metecyp]

Greek Cypriot,

All you've been saying in the past 2 days, is FULL DEMOCRACY, FULL HUMAN RIGHTS. On the surface, it seems reasonable, who wouldn't want full democracy and human rights?

But when someone thinks further, he realizes that everything is NOT black and white as we would hope it to be. You showed NO sign of understanding towards T/C sensitivity on certain issues whatsoever.

I tried to explain you over and over, why certain limitations are needed for the time being. You don't want to understand. You're stuck up in your position and worst of all, you're ignorant! You are not ready to compromise, you want everything for youself! Like a stubborn child who doesn't want to share his toys with anyone!

NO SOLUTION IN CYPRUS WILL EVER SATISFY BOTH SIDES in Cyprus. Therefore, if we'll see a solution, you can be sure that both you and I will be dissatisfied with whatever the solution will be.

My only wish from people like you (stubborn, ignorant Cypriots) is at least try to stay away from the path of peaceful coexistence among Cypriots. A solution will be found eventually, and when this happens, at least try to put up with it, don't cause any more trouble because the peaceful people of Cyprus suffered enough.

This is all I'm going to say for now. I hope to exchange ideas with more reasonable G/Cs in this forum soon.

[Greek Cypriot]

I am ignorant because I do not agree with you?

You are wrong. I can accept many things that go against democracy and human rights because I understand how power politics work and that now we are not in powerful position.

In 1960 you gained many special privileges that I doubt that there are many minorities in the world that have them.
-So tell me Mr. Know-it-all, what special privileges does your so beloved motherland give to the Kurds? Free accommodation in jails?
-Do you know that in Baltic countries the percentage of Russians is 30-40%? I didn't see Russia invading them because they decided to join the EU.
-In the US that you live, if you combine all minorities they are the majority. Compare their special privileges, with the ones that Turks had in Cyprus even from 1960.

Do I like 1960 constitution? No, but I can accept it.

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After the invasion, being the weakest site, we agreed for even more things. We agreed that TC could have their own federal state, that inside it they could have a lot of autonomy.

TC before 1974 were living all over Cyprus. Populations in cities were mixed, the same was the case with most villages. TC had no special relationship with the north. If Turkey was to the south of Cyprus, then the south part would be occupied today.
-So tell me Mr. know-it-all: Why your motherland doesn't give a federal state to the Kurds. After all those people do have a region where they were always living and they call "Kurdistan".
-Same case with Basques in Spain. They do have a defined region of their own, still they got nothing.

Federal states exist in many countries, USA for example.

Do I think is right for TC to have their own federal state? No. However, I can accept it.

A small minority of 18% has gained in Cyprus what no other minority has gained in the world. This is not because they are right. Right and wrong do not matter in a world that all that matters is power.

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You would expect that TC would be happy from all these extra super special rights found nowhere else in the world.
But no. They are not. They want more and more and more.

We were compromising and compromising and compromising for the last 30 years. ENOUGH

In Cyprus we have the saying:
Who wants too much, looses everything.

If you are so brainwashed that you do not even realize that what you are asking for is so extreme that no person with some dignity left in him/her will be able to accept then I am really sorry.

So please, don't tell me that we did not compromise. We did. We reached bottom.

[PEACE]

I'm sure Mete will also reply but i want to say something...

-So tell me Mr. Know-it-all, what special privileges does your so beloved motherland give to the Kurds? Free accommodation in jails?

My motherland is Cyprus and i don't care what Turkey's doing ! You can ask this to Turkey but not us!

Do I like 1960 constitution? No, but I can accept it.

You accepted than tried to take back what you accepted. Better one is not accepting if u don't like! You are not a honest person!

After the invasion, being the weakest site, we agreed for even more things. We agreed that TC could have their own federal state, that inside it they could have a lot of autonomy.

In real NOT ! You are trying to seem you agreed but NOT ! Where do i understand? Cos you are rejecting the things that will support this system. You are trying to empty under it and want to take back all you accepted ! So never say "We accepted" etc etc etc.

If you are so brainwashed that you do not even realize that what you are asking for is so extreme that no person with some dignity left in him/her will be able to accept then I am really sorry.

We are not brainwashed but your demans are impossible to be ! We are not wanting the contunity of Turkish Republic Of Cyprus.This is an illogical demand for new order ! But others are ok! Also we are not demanding but its Annan Plan as its.You are not accepting it ! Not us!

You want an unlimited order ! But you know Annan Plan's new order is impossible to live in that situation !If you want an unlimited new order than what are your concensions that you are going to give us reciprocal of you will gain?