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Why I went to the property commission

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:33 pm

By Jean Christou Cyprus Mail 10/6

POLITICIANS have spent the last couple of weeks pontificating on what to do about Greek Cypriots who resort to the property commission in the north, with talk of black lists, murmurings about legal action or even stripping them of their refugee status.Very little has been heard from the refugees themselves, no doubt fearful of being branded as traitors given that Sigma television gave the Attorney-general a list of 20 names from the 180 or so Greek Cypriots who have applied to the commission.
It’s easy for comfortably well-off politicians, like AKEL spokesman Andros Kyprianou to state that no amount of money is worth compromising the homeland. But whether politicians realise it or not, the biggest issue in most people’s lives today is how to educate and secure the future of their children, not a piece of land that they may never see again.

Yesterday, Alithia newspaper published an interview with a 33-year-old married female refugee with two children, who is one of the people who has resorted to the commission.

The interviewer described the woman as “tired and weary”, working long hours for only £500 a month while her family’s land in occupied Karmi – a favoured location for British expats – is worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.
“I went to work at the age of 12 during my school holidays because my parents were refugees and we all had to work to get by,” the woman, who was not named, told the newspaper.

She said her father, who is now deceased, had lived with guilt because his daughters were forced to work while he had a huge property in the north, but they told him constantly to keep up hope and that there would be a solution to the Cyprus problem.
“Sadly, he died from a rare stress-related illness, and we believe he died from the guilt he carried around”.

She said her current situation was one of debt in trying to pay a mortgage. “It’s horrible when your children ask you for something and you have to tell them you can’t afford it,” the woman said. “Tomorrow my daughter is starting Gymnasium and she will need private lessons. How am I going to manage that on £500 a month? Once I was in the hospital ten days with the baby and I had no help from the government or anyone. I makes no difference whether you are a refugee or not.”
The woman said that one day while she and her sister discussed their financial situation, the issue of their father’s land in Karmi was raised. “Our mother said the land was now worth around £500,000 and we began thinking about how it would solve our problems,” said the woman.

“Everything has gone up, petrol and electricity, while wages have stayed the same and we thought to ask about this committee to get some information. That’s how it happened.”

The woman said her application had been submitted but she had not heard anything yet. She said it was being examined, but it seemed there was some interest in the property from a Turkish buyer.
“I know how people are judging, but I never judge people in this way. I don’t know their situation or what might lead them to do it. Who am I to judge? How to I know what situation they’re in? Maybe they have health problems and need money to go abroad for treatment. I don’t believe every Cypriot puts their country first. Sometimes you have no other choice,” she said.

She added that there were Cypriots going to the casinos in the north every week who have properties in the south, which have risen in price, and were going north with their money.

“Why are some of them not interested in finding a solution? Because with a solution, some of them will lose the value of their land in the free areas, will they not?” the woman said.

“Day by day hope for solution is fading. In my piece of land they have built houses. The first time I went, there were two houses, now there are 13 and they continue to build. Isn’t it time to get something back for something you can’t have?”


‘We understand why they do it’
THE Union of Greek Cypriot Refugees said yesterday it did not approve of people making applications to the Turkish Cypriot property commission but could understand why in some cases they would.
Panos Ioannides, President of the Union, one of some 70 refugee organisations around the island, said his association was also against any legal action being taken against those who resorted to the commission, “even if they are co-operating with the invaders”.

“We strongly believe all of this is going to contribute to dividing the refugees into two categories; patriots and non-patriots,” said Ioannides. “This would be a huge mistake.”

He, like others, suggested the government improve the lot of the refugees, many of whom currently face serious financial problems.
“People are frustrated. They have needs which should be met and they are not,” he said. “We appreciate their needs. We do not excuse their actions but we appreciate why they do it.”

Ioannides said the property commission was a trap and that so far the return of properties, the compensation and the exchanges were nothing that would not have happened under the Annan plan.




Evroko MP Rikkos Erotocritou said that his party is already drafting a legislative proposal to deprive any Greek Cypriot refugee who applies to the so-called commission from all of his rights as a refugee, including having to return any financial assistance he has received from the state.
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:30 pm

the patriotic front made an attempt to accuse refuggees with well known old tacticts , and this time their own propaganda backfired in their hands.
accusing the yes-supporters as traitors was an easy job , but this time they crossed the line.
they tried to accuse refuggees as traitors.

if they continue like this not only they may divide refuggees between patriots and traitors , but also the people between refuggees and not refuggees.

mr. rikkos , is nothing else than a populist. his proposal has no chance of succeding, and he knows that very well.


as for the property commission it is a joke. there is no way they can compensate all refuggees.
it is an obvious political moove, and hopefully it will wake up some of ou politicians
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:33 pm

cypezokyli wrote:the patriotic front made an attempt to accuse refuggees with well known old tacticts , and this time their own propaganda backfired in their hands.
accusing the yes-supporters as traitors was an easy job , but this time they crossed the line.
they tried to accuse refuggees as traitors.

if they continue like this not only they may divide refuggees between patriots and traitors , but also the people between refuggees and not refuggees.

mr. rikkos , is nothing else than a populist. his proposal has no chance of succeding, and he knows that very well.


as for the property commission it is a joke. there is no way they can compensate all refuggees.
it is an obvious political moove, and hopefully it will wake up some of ou politicians


Why not test this property commission and not just dismiss it, Id like to see more GCs apply for a solution to their property claim dont forget without a resolution they can continue ECHR or expose the commission for what it really is. The you are a traitor tactic scares the GCs and stops them from applying can you at least acknowledge that the commission has solve at a few cases where as the "RoC" have solved none and look as if they will never resolve anything. Imo its a policy to keep the GC refugees eyes closed and therefore continue on with a GC state recognized by the world bar 1.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:57 pm

Viewpoint wrote: Imo its a policy to keep the GC refugees eyes closed and therefore continue on with a GC state recognized by the world bar 1.


I know it was the slip of the tongue, but you said the truth regardless, that only One Country does not recognise the RoC ( Turkey) and not Two Countries ( Turkey & "TRNC" ).

It is true, that the "TRNC" is not a Country.

Deep down you do know the Truth, don't you.!! :wink:
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:24 pm

cypezokyli wrote:the patriotic front made an attempt to accuse refuggees with well known old tacticts , and this time their own propaganda backfired in their hands.
accusing the yes-supporters as traitors was an easy job , but this time they crossed the line.
they tried to accuse refuggees as traitors.

if they continue like this not only they may divide refuggees between patriots and traitors , but also the people between refuggees and not refuggees.

mr. rikkos , is nothing else than a populist. his proposal has no chance of succeding, and he knows that very well.

as for the property commission it is a joke. there is no way they can compensate all refuggees.
it is an obvious political moove, and hopefully it will wake up some of ou politicians

On the one hand you're criticizing politicians discouraging people from approaching this body and on the other you admit that this body is a joke.

Aren't we a little confused?
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Postby paaul12 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:06 am

GC HUMANS RIGHTS LAWYER AHILLEAS DIMITRIADIS SAYS GREEK CYPRIOTS FREE TO SELL PROPERTY IN NORTH TO EU CITIZENS

“No one has a right or the authority to tell a person what to do with his/her own property”, those are the words of well known Greek Cypriot human rights lawyer Ahilleas Dimitriadis.

In an interview to the Greek Cypriot Filelefteros newspaper, he added that it was not illegal for a Greek Cypriot to sell his or her own property to an EU citizen in the North.

Mr. Dimitriadis called on anyone who claimed otherwise to provide written and documented legal proof.

In his interview to Filelefteros, Mr. Dimitriadis said that the European Court of Human Rights support to the immovable property commission in the North was due to the Greek Cypriot Side’s wrongly adopted stance over the issue.

Pointing out that the Cyprus Issue was a political issue and not a legal one, the Human Rights lawyer said the individuals could seek legal solutions to their problems as seen with the case of applicants to the immovable property commission in the North.

Source: http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/14847
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Postby cypezokyli » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:17 am

Get Real! wrote:
cypezokyli wrote:the patriotic front made an attempt to accuse refuggees with well known old tacticts , and this time their own propaganda backfired in their hands.
accusing the yes-supporters as traitors was an easy job , but this time they crossed the line.
they tried to accuse refuggees as traitors.

if they continue like this not only they may divide refuggees between patriots and traitors , but also the people between refuggees and not refuggees.

mr. rikkos , is nothing else than a populist. his proposal has no chance of succeding, and he knows that very well.

as for the property commission it is a joke. there is no way they can compensate all refuggees.
it is an obvious political moove, and hopefully it will wake up some of ou politicians

On the one hand you're criticizing politicians discouraging people from approaching this body and on the other you admit that this body is a joke.

Aren't we a little confused?


they are not "discouraging" them.

they are accusing them.

the two are different.

and even worse some cheap politicians implicitly questioned the patriotism of the refuggees.... thats were the whole thing backfired.


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unless ofcource you are refferring to rikos "proposal"..... well he is not discouraging anyone, he is only making a fool of himself. :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:48 am

paaul12 wrote:GC HUMANS RIGHTS LAWYER AHILLEAS DIMITRIADIS SAYS GREEK CYPRIOTS FREE TO SELL PROPERTY IN NORTH TO EU CITIZENS

“No one has a right or the authority to tell a person what to do with his/her own property”, those are the words of well known Greek Cypriot human rights lawyer Ahilleas Dimitriadis.

In an interview to the Greek Cypriot Filelefteros newspaper, he added that it was not illegal for a Greek Cypriot to sell his or her own property to an EU citizen in the North.

Mr. Dimitriadis called on anyone who claimed otherwise to provide written and documented legal proof.

In his interview to Filelefteros, Mr. Dimitriadis said that the European Court of Human Rights support to the immovable property commission in the North was due to the Greek Cypriot Side’s wrongly adopted stance over the issue.

Pointing out that the Cyprus Issue was a political issue and not a legal one, the Human Rights lawyer said the individuals could seek legal solutions to their problems as seen with the case of applicants to the immovable property commission in the North.

Source: http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/14847

The Cyprus issue WAS a political issue until the UN evaluated the situation and concluded with resolutions to rectify some of the damage done and from that moment on it became a LEGAL issue and still is because the internationally binding resolutions have yet to be met.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:34 am

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote: Imo its a policy to keep the GC refugees eyes closed and therefore continue on with a GC state recognized by the world bar 1.


I know it was the slip of the tongue, but you said the truth regardless, that only One Country does not recognise the RoC ( Turkey) and not Two Countries ( Turkey & "TRNC" ).

It is true, that the "TRNC" is not a Country.

Deep down you do know the Truth, don't you.!! :wink:


Not only that Kikapu.

It is an admission that this "property commission" has as only aim to assist the invadors to achieve their one and only aim, partition, so Republic of Cyprus will stop being the only state which is recognized in Cyprus.

Here is not a question if they will succeed or fail, because they will fail regardless since you can buy private property but you can not buy a country.

The question is who are helping them in this attempt? Those that do help them are of course traitors and the state should find a way to deal with them.

Laws can pass that will obligate people not do certain things that assist the invadors. I am sure the state has every right to do this. (in the same way that they have the right to obligate people to serve in the army for example).
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Postby Strahd » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:45 am

It is very simple. It is called "παραποίηση αρχής", it is as if you go to the ministry to get a driver's license, you fail, and then you come to my pontian republic of germasoyia river in my ministry of driving where I give you a driver's license...

Long live the Pontian Republic of the Germasoyia River!
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