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[Viewpoint]

viewpoint, i take acception to your comment "not as innocent as you wish to make out." i merely said that i have never seen a vandalised mosque/minaret in Cyprus, please dont get me involved in your politics.

If you do not look in the right places you will not see and if they have been raised to the ground then nothing to show....thats devious Gcs for you, they are experts.

[Kikapu]

viewpoint, i take acception to your comment "not as innocent as you wish to make out." i merely said that i have never seen a vandalised mosque/minaret in Cyprus, please dont get me involved in your politics.

If you do not look in the right places you will not see and if they have been raised to the ground then nothing to show....thats devious Gcs for you, they are experts.

[Peterc]

viewpoint, your a very bitter, angry person, dont want to talk to you. oh, and grow up!

[Viewpoint]

viewpoint, your a very bitter, angry person, dont want to talk to you. oh, and grow up!

reality peter hits all of us at some point.

[Peterc]

what are you talking about? Told you once, im not getting involved in your politics. i had some very close t/c mates in the uk, and i will not let people like you get me involved.

[Peterc]

Oh, and when i say people like you, im including fools on our side too.

[miltiades]

Although you have my sympathy - I wonder how many mosques you are aware of in the South - the minrets of which were blown! At least the buildings in your case are still standing!

I live in the South and I have not heard of one instance of a mosque being blown—that would definitely made the front pages here in all reputable news organizations. Although, I am not old enough to know if it happened during the intercommunal fighting. Doing a brief google search…two minutes max, using the following keay search “churches mosques destroyed Cyprus” I came across three articles posted by:

1) Turkish Cypriot Afrika News site
2)The UK Times News site
3) The Italian chiesa news site

The Turkish Cypriot newspaper criticized the destruction and desecration of churches in the Turkish occupied north of Cyprus and wondered how the T/C would react if the Greek Cypriots destroyed mosques in the Government-held areas of the Republic.

The UK Times said: The church Bible had been used as toilet paper and the wall paintings gashed and disfigured. The icons had vanished. From the state of the place it was clear that this was not a single act of violation. The place obviously had been a public convenience for months. ... On the Greek side all the mosques I have seen are securely locked and protected

Chiesa:
Huseyn Ozel, a government spokesman for the so-called Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, displays great cordiality with the foreign journalist. The destroyed and sacked churches? “There was a war, and bad things happened on both sides,” he explains.

I point out to him that most of the mosques in Greek Cypriot territory have been restored, while his government has authorized the transformation of churches into restaurants and hotels, an insult to the sentiment of believers.
“They did this to keep the buildings from falling into ruin, and anyway, these are decisions made by the preceding government, which I do not share,” Ozel counters.

I insist: what do you have to say about the churches that, still today, are being turned into mosques? The Turkish Cypriot functionary spreads his arms wide: “It is an Ottoman custom...”

While you will probably do a google search your self and may find a particular case on vandalization or something posted on some Go Go Turkey website, i will use these sites that i mentioned and from my own experience of actually living in the South to say what you are saying above is completely false. I simply would like to point out that millions of tourists visit this island every single year and they clearly see the mosques standing or being restored--it is visible just by looking at them. And with this comment, i will let you have the last say--its still sunny outside so i will going out to enjoy the beautiful weather.

Ask miltiades for details of villages where the mosques have been vandalized or raised to the ground not as innocent as you wish to make
out.

VP , do not use my name to distort your perverted ideology . I will speak the truth regardless if G/Cs or T/Cs find it unacceptable. I have not come across a mosque that has been vandalized , no doubt they do exist , but as I stated in another thread I do not go looking for reasons to keep us apart but for positive reasons to unite us. I know that a great deal of churches have been vandalized and turned into other structures, but I will not come to the occupied part to search for them. The Turkish villages that I visited namely Istinjo and Sarame were in a state of disrepair but they were no signs to indicate that their poor state was due to wanton destruction by any one. I felt very emotional standing in Istinjo and wondering how the people of the village must have felt as they had to seek refuge in safer areas in view of the actions by the fanatics who spread fear and terror into the hearts of these Paphian innocent family people .

Finaly VP , like it or not , part of Cyprus is under occupation by a foreign nation. Widespread looting and destruction of churches has occurred , it is an indisputable fact and there is no excuse for such vandalism . Do what I do and openly criticize the vandals responsible .

[Viewpoint]

I have in the past stated quite openly there is no excuse but the real point is that I am trying to make is that both sides have vandalized sacred buildings and places but GCs are better at hiding this fact and playing the propaganda game as its only TCs that carry out such acts. If you had bothered to visit any of the villages I gave you when you challenged me you would have seen the destruction which GCs refuse to see and would never accept.

Yes the north part of the island is occupied, by us the TCs....who deserve to live here as well the fact that you want to mix the 2 communities where there is an imbalance of 80 to 20 % in your favor without safeguards makes me question your motives and sincerity, your words may dupe many but not the majority I am quite happy in the knowledge that TCs will never fall into the GC trap of coverting the north into a GC state where we feel like foreigners in our own country.

[pitsilos]

where we feel like foreigners in our own country

give it another 10 years and you be begging for an annan plan between the settlers and the tcs in the north...

yeah and i heard all the bullshit you said many times before so there is no need to repeat them...

[BirKibrisli]

In Islamic jurisprudence the only way conquered non-muslims can have churches or synagogues is if the area was surrendered to the muslim army. Before any invasion a muslim commander is supposed to give the option to accept the divine rule of Islam and be allowed to keep their Churches. If not they are destroyed or converted to a mosque.

More of the world needs to know the disgusting face of Islam. Unfortunately the "Islam is peace" chants are too loud at present. I am sure more extended contact with Turks will change the chants to "islam is war".

What is your point Nikephoro????
All religions have an ugly,disgusting face or past,which keeps shining every now and then...But this is not the case in Cyprus.Turkey, for your information, has been a secular republic since 1923,and Islamic jurispudence,as you say,has no hold on the Turkish Army.You can ask Tayyip Erdogan,if you don't believe me...So why are you trying to fuel Islamic phobia and hatred on this forum? What will that achieve???

The state of the Churches and GC cemeteries in the North is simply due to gross neglect and cultural insensitivity,and total incompetence of those in charge...Despicable as that is,it has nothing to do with any islamic jurispudence...go on be honest and tell us what you are really trying to achieve on this forum????