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[miltiades]

AlexISS Wrote:
""""Greece who risked everything for Cyprus to be accepted as a member! """""

Interesting , but what exactly did Greece risk , you say that Greece risked EVERYTHING !!!! ??
Kindly elaborate on what sacrifices and what risks did Greece underwent in order that Cyprus should be accepted as a member.
The AP was put to the people , in a democratic referendum , they voted . If the AP was the be all and end all why ask the people ? Greece supported the AP purely and simply because if felt its about time it washed its hands of the Cyprus problem and I say to our people its about time that the Greek Cypriots wash their hands of Greece too.

[iceman]

And what have we gained or achieved all these years that were seen as the victims of an invasion? Whatever we have gained all these 30 years that we were seen as the victims (i.e. nothing,) is exactly what the TCs will gain now for been seen as the victims (nothing!)

ofcource we did !!!
we gained our entrance to EU !!
which according to you, is our biggest advantage.

and this was only possible with greece to our side, a gc moderate leader (and not a victim-like) and a tc extremist leader.

moderation pays of, and it did pay of so long we used it.
now tcs are using it, and sooner or later they will gain from it.

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say, thank you.
The EU entry was just that, the reward for all those years that the Greek Cypriots were the side that wanted and was working for a solution, while the "other" side, represented by Denktash was, as you said, the extremist one. But just before the final signature that marked the EU accession, the roles were reversed, fortunately it was too late for the EU leaders to change their mind. Because they would DEFINATELY change their mind had they had more time to know what Papadopoulos is and what he represents.

And now the side that has come to power, those that are the Greek Cypriot equivalent of Denktash, feel almighty and invincible because of the EU entry that was granted after the promise Cyprus gave that she would do everything humanly possible for a solution... how ironic.

So now Cyprus is an EU member, she needs noone, nothing can "stop" her now! Screw Greece who risked everything for Cyprus to be accepted as a member! Cyprus has veto powers granted by the EU laws. Well, the EU may be a club of countries that act by the law, but when justice is not served by the law, the law will change, and that's why I fear that things can only get worse

Outstanding post Alexiss...I agree with every sentence,most specially the last one..

[miltiades]

VP at it again with more consistently written bullshit that does not make any sense .

""""I applaud your bravery for calling a spade a spade in the face of people who will always vehemently disagree when anything that does not fit in with their own ideology rears it head. Well done it gives me hope that others will also see the realities which face them everyday because there are so many people who continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see where this issue is going, just like 1963 to 1974...the same stubborn, over confident and spoilt mentality prevails today."""
Listen genius , what does not fit with my ideology is for my nation to be taken over by f..ng foreigners Greeks like Alex and Turks like you . Get it in your thick head that this island is the island of the Cypriots not of dick heads like you born out of Cyprus and coming back to tell us that we are not Cypriots but no different to people of Spain , Malta , India and all the other nations that you said earlier that the Cypriots were to you. I suggest you study a little more and post a lot less cause you ain't making any bloody sense.

Whats with the attitude? why are you so rude together with the pack? Tone it down you "fucking bastard" is that what you want? I can use the same tone if thats where you want to take the level of this forum, keep up your verbal abuse and see how the forum deteriorates, I am warning you and people like and even admin that I have been civil in my posts and expect the same if this counts for nothing and posters are free to swear and hurl abuse I to can play that game just as good as anyone else.

I have returned to my country the TRNC, where are you? you are so "Cypriot" that you live in the UK and will rot there, good riddens, your thinking will only drag us TCs towards danger and a GC state run by Gcs for GCs and the TCs be just another minority, fucked by Gcs on daily basis.

More VP Bullshit , you have returned to "your country " !!!!

[alexISS]

AlexISS Wrote:
""""Greece who risked everything for Cyprus to be accepted as a member! """""

Interesting , but what exactly did Greece risk , you say that Greece risked EVERYTHING !!!! ??
Kindly elaborate on what sacrifices and what risks did Greece underwent in order that Cyprus should be accepted as a member.
The AP was put to the people , in a democratic referendum , they voted . If the AP was the be all and end all why ask the people ? Greece supported the AP purely and simply because if felt its about time it washed its hands of the Cyprus problem and I say to our people its about time that the Greek Cypriots wash their hands of Greece too.

Greece risked flushing its good relations with the rest of the EU countries down the toilet, by threatening to veto the WHOLE enlargement procedure, one that had already taken many years of preparation and hard work by the EU and the applying countries. And before that, the RoC was aided by Greece during the WHOLE negotiationg period, from the very start, when the application was registered.

So, Greece "washed its hands off Cyprus" because it supported the Annan plan... apparently so did Clerides, Anastasiades and the DISY party too, right? And the percentage of Cypriots that voted "YES" are traitors too, correct?

As for the people democratically rejecting the plan, I believe that, if at the time of the referendum Clerides was the president, the result would be different. Papadopoulos used some very cheap tricks to get the "NO" he wanted, that bit of him crying on camera was pathetic to say the least

[DT.]

AlexISS Wrote:
""""Greece who risked everything for Cyprus to be accepted as a member! """""

Interesting , but what exactly did Greece risk , you say that Greece risked EVERYTHING !!!! ??
Kindly elaborate on what sacrifices and what risks did Greece underwent in order that Cyprus should be accepted as a member.
The AP was put to the people , in a democratic referendum , they voted . If the AP was the be all and end all why ask the people ? Greece supported the AP purely and simply because if felt its about time it washed its hands of the Cyprus problem and I say to our people its about time that the Greek Cypriots wash their hands of Greece too.

Greece risked flushing its good relations with the rest of the EU countries down the toilet, by threatening to veto the WHOLE enlargement procedure, one that had already taken many years of preparation and hard work by the EU and the applying countries. And before that, the RoC was aided by Greece during the WHOLE negotiationg period, from the very start, when the application was registered.

So, Greece "washed its hands off Cyprus" because it supported the Annan plan... apparently so did Clerides, Anastasiades and the DISY party too, right? And the percentage of Cypriots that voted "YES" are traitors too, correct?

As for the people democratically rejecting the plan, I believe that, if at the time of the referendum Clerides was the president, the result would be different. Papadopoulos used some very cheap tricks to get the "NO" he wanted, that bit of him crying on camera was pathetic to say the least

please don't patronise an entire nation. It doesn't matter who was president, that plan was unacceptable. WHen someone who has everything to gain personally from such a plan tells you that its unacceptable then it would have been unacceptable regardless of who was promoting it.

[miltiades]

Refendums and elections in a democracy have the same criteria. The pro and the anti. No one is calling the yes voters traitors they too exercised their democratic right .Parties and leaders representing one or the other option have every right to convince the voters that their selected option is the best . I repeat what I said earlier that I opposed the AP because it masqueraded as a unification Plan when it was in fact nothing of the sort. The people would not feel comfortable with the legal powers given to Turkey , ie the right to intervene in all parts of Cyprus at its own accord , the right to control the air and sea space of Cyprus and the end of Cyprus as a nation .
Klerides was not the President , whether the result would have been different we shall never know any more than if Nixon rather than Kennedy were the President of the USA during the Cuban missile crises.

You talk about Greece's good relations with the EU , well that's good but are her relations that good following her stand during the Serbian war ? To the rest of Europe Greece is just another member , just as Cyprus now is.
Back to the AP plan prepared solely for the benefit of Turkey , can you imagine the reaction of Cypriots having to enter a Police station clad in Turkish or Greek flags , this is unification , the abolition of the Cypriot identity , the stoking up of myriad of fuses ready to ignite at any time. I want to walk in to a police station in my country of birth and see the Cypriot nation in charge not elements of the two foreign powers who are the main responsible parties to all the suffering and pain that the Cypriots have had to endure.

[alexISS]

please don't patronise an entire nation. It doesn't matter who was president, that plan was unacceptable. WHen someone who has everything to gain personally from such a plan tells you that its unacceptable then it would have been unacceptable regardless of who was promoting it.

I'm patronising noone, I'm stating my opinion which is shared by many Cypriots I've discussed the matter with. If someone patronised the Cypriots it was Papadopoulos.

I do not doubt that Papadopoulos geniuinely felt that the plan was unacceptable, I doubt his judgement.

[alexISS]

You talk about Greece's good relations with the EU , well that's good but are her relations that good following her stand during the Serbian war ?

Yes, Greece's relations with the rest of the EU are excellent, which is more than anyone could say about Cyprus, thanks to Papadopoulos.
Greece's stand during the Serbian war did not cause any damage to its relations because it did not compromise the outcome of the war itself, as was the case with the EU enlargement procedure, very different things.

As for your comments on the Annan plan, again I'm telling you that pointing out its shortcomings is pointless, I already know there are many but they are less than any other plan that could have ever been put forward.

[Jerry]

The power of veto over Turkey's application to join the EU is not absolute, France (or any other member) can use it before the ROC does - the big stick is broken!

[alexISS]

No one is calling the yes voters traitors they too exercised their democratic right .Parties and leaders representing one or the other option have every right to convince the voters that their selected option is the best

Oh I get it, voters are exercising their democratic right, parties rightfully promote either option but Greece "washed its hands off Cyprus"...