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[iceman]

Was it in Kofinou, and the red villages, that Grivas did the same to your people?

So the question to you is:
Are these the things that make you feel proud?

Definately not my friend...that was just a response to insults of Kifeas..

[Pyrpolizer]

My question was about Smyrni- the part that you deliberately(?) cut from your response.

[karma]

Pyro mou, if Ataturk was such an awful person, drunk and pervert, then why on earth Venizelos considered him his best friend and even suggested him as a candidate for Nobel prize

Neither Greek soldiers shared roses to the people during 1919-1922..in Asia Minor..
It was a war and as I know British and French oglania have done the biggest harm to both Turks and Greeks

[Pyrpolizer]

But Karma mou, I am not the one who said Ataturk was drunk and pervert.
I only asked a question if past atrocities (from either side) should make us feel proud. That's all...

[BirKibrisli]

Attrocities,past or present,should be condemned without qualification,with strongest terms,dear Pyro...It is my belief that every human right violation bellittles everyone who consider themselves human...Nomatter who is the purpetrator and who is on the recieving end...Turks and Greeks have a lot to be ashamed of in their recent past,and us<Cypriots> have our own share of this shame....

But getting back to Ataturk....he was very much a man of his time and circumstances...He did pull off one of the most astonishing feats in modern history,by creating a new and dynamic nation out of the ruins and miserable rabble of the Ottoman Empire,opposing not only the Allies but also the Sultan and the mollahs the Sultan commanded...On hindsight his greatest mistake was probably promising things to the Kurds which he probably knew he could not deliver...I have no doubt he justified all his means by the end he was trying to achieve...I wished he lived longer to right some of his mistakes,as he was truly a benevolent and compassionate person who had to behave like a tyrant at times,at great cost to his personal health and happiness...

Ataturk himself would not condone what has been done in his name since his death...His whole ambition was to make Turkey a proud member of civilised Western nations club,and all his reforms speaks valumes about his true intentions...one of his main principles was perpetual revolutionary progress (devrimcilik) till Turkey became a fully democratic and secular nation.He would turn in his grave if he knew that his beloved army has become a tool of oppression,standing in the way of real democracy and human rights considerations...And believe it or not,he put peace and harmony with Greece on top of his list of priorities,and that was achieved in his lifetime...He was after all a man of Salonika...

[cypezokyli]

heres someone who supports partition!!

problem is...he is greek... and not one of the respected ones...

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_art ... 007_230151

[BirKibrisli]

heres someone who supports partition!!

problem is...he is greek... and not one of the respected ones...

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_art ... 007_230151

Are you teasing us unfortunates who cannot read Greek,Cypez komshu..??

[humanist]

Karma never mind some barinwashed people on both sides have such an entrench hate and racism that the idea of supporting someone who is Turkish/ Greek will opose it because they have little minds that cannot see people all people as human beings Atuturk was a visionary, too bad we cannot say that about current Turkish leaders or of Greece. Likewise Venizelos too had a vision and a belief for his country, but the brainwashed Turks would have sonmething to say about him because he is simply greek at the end of the day
Greeks and Turks are racist hatred being Not All ofcourse and therefore there will always be problems in Cyprus. I trully believe all those on either side who are pro Greek and Pro Turkish ought to take up citizenships in the respective countries and allow all those Cypriots who want to live in a united nation where race and language is not an obstacle to being human towards another do so in peace. Cyprus all of it belongs to all Cypriots regardless of their language of historical ethnic background. Cyprus is neither turkish or greek it is Cypriot land.

[denizaksulu]

Kifeas, it is bad argument to quote things out of contxt. First explain to the forum how "Kismet" and the sayings of M Kemal ATATURK have got to do with each other.
When MKAtaturk uttered those words he had just defeated the combined armies and navies of the allies at the Dardanelles. Any objection? They are the words to arouse and give hope to the war weary Turkish people. They make more sense than your OXI or Megalo IDEA.

[Viewpoint]

Karma never mind some barinwashed people on both sides have such an entrench hate and racism that the idea of supporting someone who is Turkish/ Greek will opose it because they have little minds that cannot see people all people as human beings Atuturk was a visionary, too bad we cannot say that about current Turkish leaders or of Greece. Likewise Venizelos too had a vision and a belief for his country, but the brainwashed Turks would have sonmething to say about him because he is simply greek at the end of the day
Greeks and Turks are racist hatred being Not All ofcourse and therefore there will always be problems in Cyprus. I trully believe all those on either side who are pro Greek and Pro Turkish ought to take up citizenships in the respective countries and allow all those Cypriots who want to live in a united nation where race and language is not an obstacle to being human towards another do so in peace. Cyprus all of it belongs to all Cypriots regardless of their language of historical ethnic background. Cyprus is neither turkish or greek it is Cypriot land.

All very "pretty" but doesnt detract from the dangers of surrendering to the GCs majority without safeguards and guarantees to ensure we are treated as equals and not pushed to one side as in the past. We do not want to be forced into living in a GC state but our goal shoudl be to create a level playing field so that all Cypriots have the choice to live under which ever rule they wish be it TC in the north or GC in the south.