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[Get Real!]

And what have we gained or achieved all these years that were seen as the victims of an invasion? Whatever we have gained all these 30 years that we were seen as the victims (i.e. nothing,) is exactly what the TCs will gain now for been seen as the victims (nothing!)

ofcource we did !!!
we gained our entrance to EU !!
which according to you, is our biggest advantage.

and this was only possible with greece to our side, a gc moderate leader (and not a victim-like) and a tc extremist leader.

moderation pays of, and it did pay of so long we used it.
now tcs are using it, and sooner or later they will gain from it.

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say, thank you.
The EU entry was just that, the reward for all those years that the Greek Cypriots were the side that wanted and was working for a solution, while the "other" side, represented by Denktash was, as you said, the extremist one. But just before the final signature that marked the EU accession, the roles were reversed, fortunately it was too late for the EU leaders to change their mind. Because they would DEFINATELY change their mind had they had more time to know what Papadopoulos is and what he represents.

And now the side that has come to power, those that are the Greek Cypriot equivalent of Denktash, feel almighty and invincible because of the EU entry that was granted after the promise Cyprus gave that she would do everything humanly possible for a solution... how ironic.

So now Cyprus is an EU member, she needs noone, nothing can "stop" her now! Screw Greece who risked everything for Cyprus to be accepted as a member! Cyprus has veto powers granted by the EU laws. Well, the EU may be a club of countries that act by the law, but when justice is not served by the law, the law will change, and that's why I fear that things can only get worse

Outstanding post Alexiss...I agree with every sentence,most specially the last one..

It's actually the last one he got wrong the most because a member can veto any proposed law that doesn't suit them remember?

[MR-from-NG]

And what have we gained or achieved all these years that were seen as the victims of an invasion? Whatever we have gained all these 30 years that we were seen as the victims (i.e. nothing,) is exactly what the TCs will gain now for been seen as the victims (nothing!)

ofcource we did !!!
we gained our entrance to EU !!
which according to you, is our biggest advantage.

and this was only possible with greece to our side, a gc moderate leader (and not a victim-like) and a tc extremist leader.

moderation pays of, and it did pay of so long we used it.
now tcs are using it, and sooner or later they will gain from it.

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say, thank you.
The EU entry was just that, the reward for all those years that the Greek Cypriots were the side that wanted and was working for a solution, while the "other" side, represented by Denktash was, as you said, the extremist one. But just before the final signature that marked the EU accession, the roles were reversed, fortunately it was too late for the EU leaders to change their mind. Because they would DEFINATELY change their mind had they had more time to know what Papadopoulos is and what he represents.

And now the side that has come to power, those that are the Greek Cypriot equivalent of Denktash, feel almighty and invincible because of the EU entry that was granted after the promise Cyprus gave that she would do everything humanly possible for a solution... how ironic.

So now Cyprus is an EU member, she needs noone, nothing can "stop" her now! Screw Greece who risked everything for Cyprus to be accepted as a member! Cyprus has veto powers granted by the EU laws. Well, the EU may be a club of countries that act by the law, but when justice is not served by the law, the law will change, and that's why I fear that things can only get worse

Outstanding post Alexiss...I agree with every sentence,most specially the last one..

It's actually the last one he got wrong the most because a member can veto any proposed law that doesn't suit them remember?

Last sentence right or wrong. Alexiss is spot on. Cyprus has shown its true colours. You can only lie and cheat so much. Justice awaits us TCs, not long to go now.

[DT.]

And what have we gained or achieved all these years that were seen as the victims of an invasion? Whatever we have gained all these 30 years that we were seen as the victims (i.e. nothing,) is exactly what the TCs will gain now for been seen as the victims (nothing!)

ofcource we did !!!
we gained our entrance to EU !!
which according to you, is our biggest advantage.

and this was only possible with greece to our side, a gc moderate leader (and not a victim-like) and a tc extremist leader.

moderation pays of, and it did pay of so long we used it.
now tcs are using it, and sooner or later they will gain from it.

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say, thank you.
The EU entry was just that, the reward for all those years that the Greek Cypriots were the side that wanted and was working for a solution, while the "other" side, represented by Denktash was, as you said, the extremist one. But just before the final signature that marked the EU accession, the roles were reversed, fortunately it was too late for the EU leaders to change their mind. Because they would DEFINATELY change their mind had they had more time to know what Papadopoulos is and what he represents.

And now the side that has come to power, those that are the Greek Cypriot equivalent of Denktash, feel almighty and invincible because of the EU entry that was granted after the promise Cyprus gave that she would do everything humanly possible for a solution... how ironic.

So now Cyprus is an EU member, she needs noone, nothing can "stop" her now! Screw Greece who risked everything for Cyprus to be accepted as a member! Cyprus has veto powers granted by the EU laws. Well, the EU may be a club of countries that act by the law, but when justice is not served by the law, the law will change, and that's why I fear that things can only get worse

Outstanding post Alexiss...I agree with every sentence,most specially the last one..

It's actually the last one he got wrong the most because a member can veto any proposed law that doesn't suit them remember?

Last sentence right or wrong. Alexiss is spot on. Cyprus has shown its true colours. You can only lie and cheat so much. Justice awaits us TCs, not long to go now.

are we there yet?

[alexISS]

Thinking that Cyprus has grabbed the EU "by the balls" thanks to the veto provision is, to say the least, naive.

The discontent of the EU over Papadopoulos's unwillingness to make even the slightest move towards a solution is growing, I'm afraid that soon it's the RoC that will be isolated..

What THE FUCK is Papadopoulos waiting for anyway???

[DT.]

Thinking that Cyprus has grabbed the EU "by the balls" thanks to the veto provision is, to say the least, naive.

The discontent of the EU over Papadopoulos's unwillingness to make even the slightest move towards a solution is growing, I'm afraid that soon it's the RoC that will be isolated..

What THE FUCK is Papadopoulos waiting for anyway???

1) Oil to start pumping
2) Turkey to progress a little further in their negotiations so that they agree to talk to him rather than Talat.

[alexISS]

Thinking that Cyprus has grabbed the EU "by the balls" thanks to the veto provision is, to say the least, naive.

The discontent of the EU over Papadopoulos's unwillingness to make even the slightest move towards a solution is growing, I'm afraid that soon it's the RoC that will be isolated..

What THE FUCK is Papadopoulos waiting for anyway???

1) Oil to start pumping
2) Turkey to progress a little further in their negotiations so that they agree to talk to him rather than Talat.

Good morning DT,

It may take many years for the oil (if it even exists) to start pumping, and Turkey's negotiations are almost frozen due to her refusal to open her ports to Cyprus

[DT.]

Thinking that Cyprus has grabbed the EU "by the balls" thanks to the veto provision is, to say the least, naive.

The discontent of the EU over Papadopoulos's unwillingness to make even the slightest move towards a solution is growing, I'm afraid that soon it's the RoC that will be isolated..

What THE FUCK is Papadopoulos waiting for anyway???

1) Oil to start pumping
2) Turkey to progress a little further in their negotiations so that they agree to talk to him rather than Talat.

Good morning DT,

It may take many years for the oil (if it even exists) to start pumping, and Turkey's negotiations are almost frozen due to her refusal to open her ports to Cyprus

morning Alexiss...i agree with you but i have given up hope of knowing whats in this mans head. The only other thing i can htink of is that he's avoiding another failure.

[alexISS]

morning Alexiss...i agree with you but i have given up hope of knowing whats in this mans head. The only other thing i can htink of is that he's avoiding another failure.

Well I think that he's afraid of taking the huge responsibility of signing his name on the Unification treaty, because I can find no logic in waiting and doing nothing when you are already accused of being the side that rejected the only unification plan ever put forward...

[DT.]

morning Alexiss...i agree with you but i have given up hope of knowing whats in this mans head. The only other thing i can htink of is that he's avoiding another failure.

Well I think that he's afraid of taking the huge responsibility of signing his name on the Unification treaty, because I can find no logic in waiting and doing nothing when you are already accused of being the side that rejected the only unification plan ever put forward...

don't forget the plans presented by Perez De Coueillar, Boutros Boutros Gali and other un sec gen's that have been rejected by denktash.

I'll ask again, when talking about the current situation regarding tpap and the annan plan pelase do not forget that for over 30 years the tc side has had a fanatic ruling them which had rejected every single sentence given to him. The only difference is that rauf liked to travel to new york every now and then so he would accept the invitations.

[alexISS]

Last sentence right or wrong. Alexiss is spot on. Cyprus has shown its true colours. You can only lie and cheat so much. Justice awaits us TCs, not long to go now.

Not Cyprus, mrfromng, it's Papadopoulos that has shown his true colours. You can't just forget of all the years of struggles for a solution against a brick wall that was Denktash's "TRNC" and declare the RoC the "bad guy", that would be unfair. I do believe that Papadopoulos is actually a partitionist and his only difference with Denktash is on the percentage of land the two states should get when the line is drawn