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[Piratis]

At every opportunity you have shown your hatred towards my community, so what did you expect.

Is this guy serious?

Out of the 436 years that Turks live in Cyprus, they have violated our rights and oppressed us for the 340, something which continues as we speak. And then he comes to tell us that we are the ones who show hatred!!

Maybe he things we are masochists and we should love those that are so hostile against us?

We've done all we could possibly do.

Whats did you do? Stealing our land and selling it to foreigners?

[Jerry]

Mrfromng wrote:-

Has there ever been any goodwill shown to the TCs by your community?

Anyone who can write this cannot be taken as a serious contributor to this debate. Free electriciry and health care for a start and I don't know how old you are but there was genuine friendship and goodwill in the old days. Even in 1974 some GCs helped protect TCs from danger just as some TCs saved GCs from the Turkish army.

Cretin!

[bigOz]

Whats did you do? Stealing our land and selling it to foreigners?

Can't you come up with something different? Your response means all these people discussing things all this time in this forum have not made an iota of difference to anyone's thinking! This is really getting boring now! I wonder why our leaders even bother talk to each other at all!

[Piratis]

Whats did you do? Stealing our land and selling it to foreigners?

Can't you come up with something different? Your response means all these people discussing things all this time in this forum have not made an iota of difference to anyone's thinking! This is really getting boring now! I wonder why our leaders even bother talk to each other at all!

Words can not change the fact that you illegally occupy our land. For that to change actions are needed.

[EPSILON]

Whats did you do? Stealing our land and selling it to foreigners?

Can't you come up with something different? Your response means all these people discussing things all this time in this forum have not made an iota of difference to anyone's thinking! This is really getting boring now! I wonder why our leaders even bother talk to each other at all!

Our leaders are still discussing because Greek side have not the power to request a fair solution providing one state - one vote for each person and secondly Turkish side trying to enter EU (Mainland Turkey)

All other points are just to pass our time and actually i thinking to invate everybody fighting me in this forum in a party

[Viewpoint]

Whats did you do? Stealing our land and selling it to foreigners?

Can't you come up with something different? Your response means all these people discussing things all this time in this forum have not made an iota of difference to anyone's thinking! This is really getting boring now! I wonder why our leaders even bother talk to each other at all!

Words can not change the fact that you illegally occupy our land. For that to change actions are needed.

Just like your defacto recognition...a Gc state run by Gcs for Gcs, what youve always wanted. This is your bargining chip while ours is land and the army

[Piratis]

Why not to be recognized? You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities by using brute force, not us.

[BirKibrisli]

well,if we keep going the way we are here is what will happen:

the TC presence and identity will diminish to near zero within 25 years.
There will be at least 500,000 new TCs occupying the NORTH...They will have no wish or desire or intention to have any kind of solution except to make the status quo official...And since we now know that no Turkish government can even elect a President of their own if the Military doesn't agree,we can forget about Ankara making any kind of concession on Cyprus for any reason,including EU considerations...
So assuming that Piratis's famous 'balance of power change' happens and RoC regains her land in a military hot conflict...this will only result in another period of continuing bitterness and hatred between the two sides...and it will be Turkey that will then wait for the "balance of power" to change again before they invade the whole of Cyprus this time...

Can anybody seriously tell me this is not the most likely outcome in the long run,if things are allowed to continue the way they are???

[DT.]

well,if we keep going the way we are here is what will happen:

the TC presence and identity will diminish to near zero within 25 years.
There will be at least 500,000 new TCs occupying the NORTH...They will have no wish or desire or intention to have any kind of solution except to make the status quo official...And since we now know that no Turkish government can even elect a President of their own if the Military doesn't agree,we can forget about Ankara making any kind of concession on Cyprus for any reason,including EU considerations...
So assuming that Piratis's famous 'balance of power change' happens and RoC regains her land in a military hot conflict...this will only result in another period of continuing bitterness and hatred between the two sides...and it will be Turkey that will then wait for the "balance of power" to change again before they invade the whole of Cyprus this time...

Can anybody seriously tell me this is not the most likely outcome in the long run,if things are allowed to continue the way they are???

I just don't see us using any kind of millitary approach to this matter. No matter how much the balance of power changes any armed conflict with turkey would be suicide.

WHen a tc state is ran solely by Mainland settlers, what protections will VP ask for in order to provide his people with a say in his country?

Are the TC's and the T's so similar in that it won't matter? Will the settlers treat the TC minority with respect to international law (such as the EU for example?) Will there be international outcry if the TC;s are poorly treated and excluded from their govt?

I wonder how much more beneficial it will be when your TC son's will be forced to serve national service in Eastern anatolia against some Kurd when they could be living in a fair, democratic and de-millitarised society in Cyprus?

Your bargaining chip VP is only a bargaining chip while your opponent knows you are in position to negotiate for it. If circumstances change and the bargaining chip merely becomes an a permament asset of the Turkish side then there will be no bargaining. We live without those chips now and we will live without them in the future if thats the case. It will hurt but we will continue with life. WHere will you continue with life once the bargaining is over? Once you've handed the keys to the homes to the english and the flags of your state to the Turks? Somewhere in the EU? Will you use you ROC passport to get there?

[Viewpoint]

Why not to be recognized? You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities by using brute force, not us.

Piratis after all this time you still refuse to understand us...we are willing to share but we catagorically refuse being steam rolled over by the 80% of GCs where we are just like Indians in the UK because this holds to many risks which you refuse to see as you are comfortable in the fact that you represent 80% of the total population, when you consider the history, mentality and political culture of this very large proportion of the Cypriot popualtion you will soon realize that they have not reached the maturity of other EU countries and would under no circumstancies vote for TCs but an English person would vote for an Indian as he thinks beyond ethnic origin and wants the best man for the job. You are asking me to accept this hugh risk from day 1 where GCs cannot even stomach sending a TC singer to the Eurovision let alone vote TCs into power, where will that leave us? without anyy say in our own future and dominated by GCs. That is why safeguards are imperiative for TCs without these there will never be any kind of deal between the 2 sides, the 1960 constitution and the AP are fine examples of this fact so you really have to wake up and see that the only way we can ever reach a resolve is a 2 state solution where Cypriots may settle where they wish, Refugees get back there properties where possible or compensation is paid and the army leaves from both sides, In short BBF, but this is not something you or your administration want so dont expect anything in your or my life time. In the meantime we will fight for what we want and continue to push for what we feel is right, the ball is firmly in the GC court.