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[Viewpoint]

the problem with VP's statement is that he states that gc's will be allowed to settle anywhere they like. If they do that and they become a majority in both sides then how can there be a tc run state if th gc's decide to vote aginst it. UNLESS vp has decided that gc's living in the north state will not be allowed to vote!!

Each state will have it's own leader, much like the States, where we have a Governor elected by the people. He has certain powers, but the Legislators are the ones who really run the states, which are the representatives of the people from certain areas, based on population numbers, so in actual fact, if there were 30 total legislators in the parliament, in the North, these people will be elected based on their political ideology and not on their ethnicity. Perhaps at first it will be their ethnicity, but if they don't deliver the "goodies" to their people he represents, he will be kicked out next time around. So people will vote for the person GC or TC and not for the ethnicity, after few years.

But the President and the vice President will more than likely, will remain to be GC's, because of the GC numbers, until such a time comes, that people will just vote for the person, and not for the ethnicity. So what ever VP might want, he will get in the first few years, but then it will change dramatically if we have a True Democracy. BBF is good, but only if one lives by it's true intended way, that it is designed to work.

thats the key brother. You do a good job you're in govt. Shouldn't matter if you.re a swahilli cypriot.

i agree that key positions should remain just for tc's unless the tc's decide otherwise. It might come to a time when we don't care what everyone is and we're just cypriots.

Long way off, we cant even agree to live together...the GC mentality cannot even do the minimum, like send a TC singer to Eurovision they would rather send a GC dog than a TC singer thats how their brains work, nothing new there. So how do you propose the best man gets the job when 80% of the population are still so biased/racists they will always vote on ethnic backround as the number one priority.

[Kikapu]

the problem with VP's statement is that he states that gc's will be allowed to settle anywhere they like. If they do that and they become a majority in both sides then how can there be a tc run state if th gc's decide to vote aginst it. UNLESS vp has decided that gc's living in the north state will not be allowed to vote!!

Each state will have it's own leader, much like the States, where we have a Governor elected by the people. He has certain powers, but the Legislators are the ones who really run the states, which are the representatives of the people from certain areas, based on population numbers, so in actual fact, if there were 30 total legislators in the parliament, in the North, these people will be elected based on their political ideology and not on their ethnicity. Perhaps at first it will be their ethnicity, but if they don't deliver the "goodies" to their people he represents, he will be kicked out next time around. So people will vote for the person GC or TC and not for the ethnicity, after few years.

But the President and the vice President will more than likely, will remain to be GC's, because of the GC numbers, until such a time comes, that people will just vote for the person, and not for the ethnicity. So what ever VP might want, he will get in the first few years, but then it will change dramatically if we have a True Democracy. BBF is good, but only if one lives by it's true intended way, that it is designed to work.

thats the key brother. You do a good job you're in govt. Shouldn't matter if you.re a swahilli cypriot.

i agree that key positions should remain just for tc's unless the tc's decide otherwise. It might come to a time when we don't care what everyone is and we're just cypriots.

Long way off, we cant even agree to live together...the GC mentality cannot even do the minimum, like send a TC singer to Eurovision they would rather send a GC dog than a TC singer thats how their brains work, nothing new there. So how do you propose the best man gets the job when 80% of the population are still so biased/racists they will always vote on ethnic backround as the number one priority.

Tell me something, if the RoC sent a TC to sing for Cyprus at the Eurovision, like you really care........

Would you then drop the whole idea of Partition.??

Would you return peoples properties back??

Would you ask the Turkish Army to go home.??

Would you takes those flags off the "Graffiti Mountain".??

Would you want to consider yourself as a Cypriot first, then Turkish.??

Would you...........??

Would you............??

Would you............??

If the answers are NO, then what did you expect, or do you only believe in One-Way compromises..!!!

[BirKibrisli]

Yes I do want my own state but I did go on to say under a BBF solution, why do you not read and absorb the whole sentence and only concentrate on those areas which you can twist and try to manipulate, where did I say GCs will be second class citizens, I think you are the one telling the lies to try and convince people that we will not treat GCs fairly in the north state under a BBF solution. Is that what you have planned for those Tcs who want to move south? thats why you accuse us. The AP was brokered by the UN by thousands of experts at great cost the fact that you have demonized it only goes to serve that you cannot accept a solution via a BBF, taking this into account I still believe that people with your mentality will end up with partition being forced upon them for the second time.

But VP, you have a huge credibility problem here...
You want the GCs to trust that they will not be treated as second class citizens in the Trnc,but you will not trust the GCs not to treat you as second class citizens in a united democratic country.......How will you explain that????

[Pyrpolizer]

Angastiniotis has stated again and again that his work is addressed to the Greek Cypriots, so that they see and accept their share of responsibility for what happened in Cyprus. The fact that the Turkish propaganda machine uses his documentary to prove that they are "right" and the GCs are "wrong" is proof of its ruthlessness. TCs need an Angastiniotis of their own so that both communities can come closer

The problem with Angastiniotis is this:

1)He was a fanatic GC nationalist in the past and I think he comes from an Eoka family.
2)He was schocked to discover the past attrocities against the TCs, and that made him change his mind.
3)after he discovered those attrocities, he thought he discovered gold. The truth is every GC who cares about Cyprob knows very well or has learned about the past attrocities to the TCs and he acknowledges responsibility. Those who don’t care, don’t care, either with or without Angastiniotis documentaries.

But the biggest problem with him is this:

4)He allowed himself be used by the fanatics and partitionists in the occupied, he allowed himself (been unemployed) to sort of get employed in the Eastern University to supposely do further research on his issue, he is using this employement just for the money without producing anything, and finally
5)He feels he has to show the other side of the coin now but he is afraid he will be kicked out of the occupied if he does. So he does nothing, stays totally inactive and just receives the salary from the University.

[Pyrpolizer]

Without guarantees and safeguards to ensure my secuirty and political equality I will not budge one inch, time you realized this, as you so rightly say I do not trust GCs (this does not mean I hate them please dont confuse the 2) to do the right thing. You may have surrendered your future into the hands of GCs and are fine with living in a society where 80% of the population are Gcs and Greek is spoken all the time but I am not. I want my own state under a BBF solution with political equality...if this is not acceptable then partition is the only way out of this problem.

If you don’t like hearing greek be spoken around you you should have told that to your ancestors who lived here for 500 years, and who had no problem hearing Greek be spoken around them.

Slowly slowly you are exposing yourself. You are a Greek hater.

No you will never have a BBF as described in the Anan Plan, because that violates my rights, and it is disguised partition. The best you can have is a normal Federation as it exists in every other part of the world. And that Federal part will not be YOUR country, you will just be given administrative rights. I doubt you will ever manage to even own the majority of land in there.

[Kikapu]

Slowly slowly you are exposing yourself. You are a Greek hater.

Some of us had already reached that conclusion long, long time ago, sad to say.

[Viewpoint]

Yes I do want my own state but I did go on to say under a BBF solution, why do you not read and absorb the whole sentence and only concentrate on those areas which you can twist and try to manipulate, where did I say GCs will be second class citizens, I think you are the one telling the lies to try and convince people that we will not treat GCs fairly in the north state under a BBF solution. Is that what you have planned for those Tcs who want to move south? thats why you accuse us. The AP was brokered by the UN by thousands of experts at great cost the fact that you have demonized it only goes to serve that you cannot accept a solution via a BBF, taking this into account I still believe that people with your mentality will end up with partition being forced upon them for the second time.

But VP, you have a huge credibility problem here...
You want the GCs to trust that they will not be treated as second class citizens in the Trnc,but you will not trust the GCs not to treat you as second class citizens in a united democratic country.......How will you explain that????

Thank you for this response, it was what I expecting, so ask yourself this its fine when this leap of faith is put in front of TCs but when the shoe is on the other foot you oppose it. The idea is a level playing field where people from both sides of the divide have the choice to live where ever they wish the other option is that only TCs are asked to trust the 80%. If I decide to go live in the south state then I will have no choice but to trust the GC administration just as the GCs who come to live in the north state, both states will be joined together at a federal level on issues which effect everyone. It is this balance which is important and should be structured to ensure neither side may force the other against their will to accept something that would effect them negatively.

[Pyrpolizer]

@Vp (not really but for others to read)

At any solution there will be risks. Have you ever considered what are my risks while the Turkish army will stay for a number of years after a solution? Who would force the Turkish army abide to the agreement and start deliverying land that is now "military area"?
Who would stop them declare an emergency military situation if and when provocateurs plant some bombs?

The answer is NOBODY. We will just depend on their good will and hope for the best.

[DT.]

Yes I do want my own state but I did go on to say under a BBF solution, why do you not read and absorb the whole sentence and only concentrate on those areas which you can twist and try to manipulate, where did I say GCs will be second class citizens, I think you are the one telling the lies to try and convince people that we will not treat GCs fairly in the north state under a BBF solution. Is that what you have planned for those Tcs who want to move south? thats why you accuse us. The AP was brokered by the UN by thousands of experts at great cost the fact that you have demonized it only goes to serve that you cannot accept a solution via a BBF, taking this into account I still believe that people with your mentality will end up with partition being forced upon them for the second time.

But VP, you have a huge credibility problem here...
You want the GCs to trust that they will not be treated as second class citizens in the Trnc,but you will not trust the GCs not to treat you as second class citizens in a united democratic country.......How will you explain that????

Thank you for this response, it was what I expecting, so ask yourself this its fine when this leap of faith is put in front of TCs but when the shoe is on the other foot you oppose it. The idea is a level playing field where people from both sides of the divide have the choice to live where ever they wish the other option is that only TCs are asked to trust the 80%. If I decide to go live in the south state then I will have no choice but to trust the GC administration just as the GCs who come to live in the north state, both states will be joined together at a federal level on issues which effect everyone. It is this balance which is important and should be structured to ensure neither side may force the other against their will to accept something that would effect them negatively.

VP i still don't understand what you are proposing. If the north is a TC state and there is no limitation of the number of GC's that can move there then how will you maintain a tc run state if the GC's start voting against?

[bigOz]

Hi Guys and Girls

In the 'land of reality' it is a beauiful sunny day and I do not wish to spend my weekend, deleting personal insults from postings here. Please stick to topics and issues so that this Forum remains a place that people enjoy participating in.

thanks

Lana

I think it is safe to say, that there won't be much "fireworks" this weekend Lana, because the "TRNC" office in London is closed for the weekend, so BigToss wont be returning to his Propagandizing job until Monday.

Enjoy your weekend Lana.

And you have the (tiny) rat-balls to call him names knowing he will not be around to reply and hopefully everyone else will read your stupid remarks!

Listen Mr FAKE! You are the biggest tosser in this forum and I promise you one thing - you will pay for your wrongs! I do not intend to reply or to enter into an argument with an attention seeking liar who still believes he is an 8 year old!

You spent couple of years after the the troubles started before fleeing Cyprus with your family, and want to write a frigging story about the Cyprus problem and TC / GC conflict!

Hey KingTosser! You are lying because you are telling fairies using what an 8 year may or may not remember (you must have been a very stupid 8 year old to get all your facts wrong - especially the very distressing ones).

You are talking about a very serious issue that has affected the lives of many Cypriots GCs and TCs alike over many decades. You cannot go around writing things as facts, when they are not true and blaming it on amnesia! YOU ARE NOT AN AUTHORITY ON THE SUBJECT! You clearly remember all the wrong things and really know f**k all about the Cyprus problem! There had been a lot better memoirs written so do not think you'll make your fortunes as a writer - in fact your writing skills are non-existent!

I am taking it as a compliment that you think I must be working for the TRNC office in London! I must do doing a very good job in showing you up - it would be nice if someone paid me for it... But do not kid yourself- this has now become personal!

In any case I have no problems with any GC working for a RoC Propaganda service or defending their point of view, just like I have no problems with anyone working for their community in the TRNC office in London - GOOD FOR THEM!

The dangerous ones are the bad-blood traitors like you on both sides! What have YOU been doing for your people and country lately KingTosser? Writing fairy stories are we?

And you keep pestering me (and others who know me in this forum) about my profession etc. You definitely have an inferiority complex. I wish to put the record straight only once:

No, I do not "just have a PPL, flying little aircraft"! I hold a CPL and a full flight instructor's rating. I have trained on and can fly single-engine, multi-engine, jet propelled and combat aircraft! My students are flying passenger jets in various airlines - in fact, one of them is currently flying an Air Bus for KTHY! The fact that you believe it is not possible for a TC to be a commercial pilot or an instructor shows just how ignorant and prejudiced person you are, with complexes of all sorts! If you read my posts, you would have known that currently flying is a side profession for me (part time) while I get on with other online commercial activities...

But you do not really read anyone else's posts do you? You are so self centered, everyone else should read your posts and praise you all the time, when in reality you are making a right clown of yourself!

I really have no respect for you and no interest in any rubbish you write and I invite every other TC to ignore your posts from now on! Enjoy talking to yourself KingTosser!