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[Get Real!]

Why is it that when an honest appraisal from either Kikapu , a T/C or my self a G/C , draws such venomous attacks from their own side.Is it because the truth that there were NO ANGELS in the conflict that left thousands of Cypriots dead and thousands of children orphaned , wives , mothers brothers and sisters in mourning , hurts so much because it exposes the propaganda by both sides that WE were the angels and THEY were the murderers.
Is it because the likes of Zan , VP , AlexiSS , Nikeforos wish nothing more than to preserve and nurture their intense hatred of the other side by continually delving into the past. So what is that makes Bir and I so close to each other and we have not even met or spoken on the phone. It is because we are both true Cypriots who have buried the past , looked at both sides of the coin and felt empathy for our brothers and sisters , and both express our unconditional love of all of Cyprus , North , South West and East. Is it maybe our shared dream of seeing our island united once again only this time minus the influence of the fanatics , having moved forward and having permanently ditched detrimental aspirations .Unless you see the other sides grievances and appreciate their predicament you can not think rationally. I have faced the dreadful errors and injustices carried out by the G/C side and Bir the same for the T/C side and we can say to each other , brother I'm sorry for all the wrongs that our sides did to each other.

Its becuase you are both so blind that you try to block out the realities oblivious to the facts and dangers involved, trying to look at things through rosey coloured glasses will not make everything better, it will just blurr your vision and help you drag your community into the danger zone. but hey whats the problem you have the comfort of knowing you are the 80% and anything you say goes, its bir who will be facing all sorts of problems when he tries to pay his water bill, I forgot it would be the Eu he can take his case to the ECHR and wait around 5 6 7 years from them to do anything.

VP...you are so unwavering in your belief that the GCs are just waiting for you to make a mistake and they will jump on you and turn you into....what???? A Cypriot????What is wrong with living in a democratic country who respects everyone's human rights,follows equal opportunity and antidiscrimination principles,where everyone speaks 3 languages,and everyone is free to practise whatever religion they want in a secular state....????? And yes,where people have the right to seek protection from international and European law????You really don't realise ,do you,that your oft repeated demands for guarantees and special treatment for TCs are seen for what they are: incredible excuses to prolong the status qou for as long as possible...You are cutting the branch of the tree you are sitting on ,mate,and when you fall there will be noone to catch you...except those GCs you steadfastedly refuse to trust...

[Get Real!]

I want my own state under a BBF solution with political equality...if this is not acceptable then partition is the only way out of this problem.

The problem is you haven’t earned jack shit. Your relatively poor community owned a mere 12.3% of Cyprus and now want a "state" of their own? Your dreams are only possible through stealing so eventually you will get what you DESERVE and it won't be a state I assure you but our middle finger and plenty of buckshot.

I don’t know what’s going to finish you off first… the settlers or the buckshot? Only time will tell but either way you’re doomed wiseguy.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, will you tell the Moron, that by having your state in a "BBF", will not give you a equal power sharing in the Federal Government. He might have the majority in the State Government, as long as the TC's are the majority there, but if in the future more and more GC's move North, because peace has proven to be working, then in a free elections, the TC's may not even have the majority there either after a while. But who cares, because those who would be living in the Northern State, GC's and Tc's alike, will want the best for their state.

Same will be for the Southern State of course.

But VP will never accept a solution,a BBF,which does not guarantee him absolute majority for all eternity....That is why he was happy to vote Yes to the Annan plan,it guaranteed TC majority in the NOrth forever...That is what he is talking about when he says he want safeguards...He wants to live in a sheltered workshop forever...Poor VP...Must be scared of his own shadow...

[Kifeas]

Without guarantees and safeguards to ensure my secuirty and political equality I will not budge one inch, time you realized this, as you so rightly say I do not trust GCs (this does not mean I hate them please dont confuse the 2) to do the right thing. You may have surrendered your future into the hands of GCs and are fine with living in a society where 80% of the population are Gcs and Greek is spoken all the time but I am not. I want my own state under a BBF solution with political equality...if this is not acceptable then partition is the only way out of this problem.

VP, when your Turkish ancestors stepped foot in Cyprus, some 400 years ago, didn’t they know that the overwhelming majority of the indigenous people of this country were the GCs? Didn’t they know that the GCs were the inhabitants of the whole of Cyprus for thousands of years already? If they knew this fact, why then did they choose to come here and start leaving among ourselves? You (your ancestors) came here as second comers (in a way as our “guests,”) and now you want to kick us out of a substantial part of our country and make it your own place, just because you no more like our culture and our language and the idea that we are the majority of the people in this country of ours?

VP, if you do trust us and if you do not like our language and our culture and if you do not like the fact that we were and still are the majority of the people of the whole of this country -thousands of years before your ancestors even discovered this place; then you should only blame your ancestors for coming here in the first place! Nevertheless, you can always depart from here to where your ancestors came from, because what you are asking is completely illegitimate and immoral; otherwise you live us with no option other than to patiently wait to do this by our selves, as soon as we get the right chance! Alternatively, if you -and all those little racist neo-ottoman pan-turanists thinking like you, wish to remain in this country; it is about time you all start adding lots of water in your wine glasses, and stop demanding the outrageous things you do, just because you wrongfully feel that you now have the upper hand!

[Kikapu]

Kifeas,

Why do you ask such reasonable questions to VP. You are only making him feel guilty for wanting a Partition.!!

Don't you have NO shame.??

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

Why do you ask such reasonable questions to VP. You are only making him feel guilty for wanting a Partition.!!

Don't you have NO shame.??

You know something Kikapu? I only wish that one day the Kurdish citizens of Turkey manage to do exactly the same thing in that country, that it (and it’s satellites in Cyprus) tries to achieve here! I also wish the same to happen to England, with all those Indians and Asians that are now living there, i.e. to grab a portion of England, cleanse the English people from there and demand to have the absolute ownership of that part in a from of partition similar to that those TCs want to effect in Cyprus. I pray the god every day that this same thing happens to those two countries, one day! I wish to live long enough to see it happening!

[iceman]

Kifeas,

Why do you ask such reasonable questions to VP. You are only making him feel guilty for wanting a Partition.!!

Don't you have NO shame.??

You know something Kikapu? I only wish that one day the Kurdish citizens of Turkey manage to do exactly the same thing in that country, that it (and it’s satellites in Cyprus) tries to achieve here! I also wish the same to happen to England, with all those Indians and Asians that are now living there, i.e. to grab a portion of England, cleanse the English people from there and demand to have the absolute ownership of that part in a from of partition similar to that those TCs want to effect in Cyprus. I pray the god every day that this same thing happens to those two countries, one day! I wish to live long enough to see it happening!

Carry on praying & wishing.......that's about the only thing you can do

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

Why do you ask such reasonable questions to VP. You are only making him feel guilty for wanting a Partition.!!

Don't you have NO shame.??

You know something Kikapu? I only wish that one day the Kurdish citizens of Turkey manage to do exactly the same thing in that country, that it (and it’s satellites in Cyprus) tries to achieve here! I also wish the same to happen to England, with all those Indians and Asians that are now living there, i.e. to grab a portion of England, cleanse the English people from there and demand to have the absolute ownership of that part in a from of partition similar to that those TCs want to effect in Cyprus. I pray the god every day that this same thing happens to those two countries, one day! I wish to live long enough to see it happening!

Carry on praying & wishing.......that's about the only thing you can do

No Mustafa Kemal's son, we can and are doing other things too, such as preparing and patiently waiting for the "hour" of your "judgment!"

[iceman]

Kifeas,

Why do you ask such reasonable questions to VP. You are only making him feel guilty for wanting a Partition.!!

Don't you have NO shame.??

You know something Kikapu? I only wish that one day the Kurdish citizens of Turkey manage to do exactly the same thing in that country, that it (and it’s satellites in Cyprus) tries to achieve here! I also wish the same to happen to England, with all those Indians and Asians that are now living there, i.e. to grab a portion of England, cleanse the English people from there and demand to have the absolute ownership of that part in a from of partition similar to that those TCs want to effect in Cyprus. I pray the god every day that this same thing happens to those two countries, one day! I wish to live long enough to see it happening!

Carry on praying & wishing.......that's about the only thing you can do

No Mustafa Kemal's son, we can and are doing other things too, such as preparing and patiently waiting for the "hour" of your "judgment!"

Get your facts right.!! My fathers name is not Mustafa Kemal

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

Why do you ask such reasonable questions to VP. You are only making him feel guilty for wanting a Partition.!!

Don't you have NO shame.??

You know something Kikapu? I only wish that one day the Kurdish citizens of Turkey manage to do exactly the same thing in that country, that it (and it’s satellites in Cyprus) tries to achieve here! I also wish the same to happen to England, with all those Indians and Asians that are now living there, i.e. to grab a portion of England, cleanse the English people from there and demand to have the absolute ownership of that part in a from of partition similar to that those TCs want to effect in Cyprus. I pray the god every day that this same thing happens to those two countries, one day! I wish to live long enough to see it happening!

Carry on praying & wishing.......that's about the only thing you can do

No Mustafa Kemal's son, we can and are doing other things too, such as preparing and patiently waiting for the "hour" of your "judgment!"

Get your facts right.!! My fathers name is not Mustafa Kemal

It is your god father's name, and it makes no difference!