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[miltiades]

Why is it that when an honest appraisal from either Kikapu , a T/C or my self a G/C , draws such venomous attacks from their own side.Is it because the truth that there were NO ANGELS in the conflict that left thousands of Cypriots dead and thousands of children orphaned , wives , mothers brothers and sisters in mourning , hurts so much because it exposes the propaganda by both sides that WE were the angels and THEY were the murderers.
Is it because the likes of Zan , VP , AlexiSS , Nikeforos wish nothing more than to preserve and nurture their intense hatred of the other side by continually delving into the past. So what is that makes Bir and I so close to each other and we have not even met or spoken on the phone. It is because we are both true Cypriots who have buried the past , looked at both sides of the coin and felt empathy for our brothers and sisters , and both express our unconditional love of all of Cyprus , North , South West and East. Is it maybe our shared dream of seeing our island united once again only this time minus the influence of the fanatics , having moved forward and having permanently ditched detrimental aspirations .Unless you see the other sides grievances and appreciate their predicament you can not think rationally. I have faced the dreadful errors and injustices carried out by the G/C side and Bir the same for the T/C side and we can say to each other , brother I'm sorry for all the wrongs that our sides did to each other.

[Kikapu]

Miltiades,

It is no point trying to talk to these Heartless Cowards who are in the business of selling their Cypriotness to the highest bidder, which at the moment is GREED. This is what the whole rejection of any idea of peace just comes down to GREED. For those in the South seems to be GREED for POWER and for the North, the GREED of "HARAM LAND".

Theres only one place for these people. "The FIRE in HELL".

[Viewpoint]

Why is it that when an honest appraisal from either Kikapu , a T/C or my self a G/C , draws such venomous attacks from their own side.Is it because the truth that there were NO ANGELS in the conflict that left thousands of Cypriots dead and thousands of children orphaned , wives , mothers brothers and sisters in mourning , hurts so much because it exposes the propaganda by both sides that WE were the angels and THEY were the murderers.
Is it because the likes of Zan , VP , AlexiSS , Nikeforos wish nothing more than to preserve and nurture their intense hatred of the other side by continually delving into the past. So what is that makes Bir and I so close to each other and we have not even met or spoken on the phone. It is because we are both true Cypriots who have buried the past , looked at both sides of the coin and felt empathy for our brothers and sisters , and both express our unconditional love of all of Cyprus , North , South West and East. Is it maybe our shared dream of seeing our island united once again only this time minus the influence of the fanatics , having moved forward and having permanently ditched detrimental aspirations .Unless you see the other sides grievances and appreciate their predicament you can not think rationally. I have faced the dreadful errors and injustices carried out by the G/C side and Bir the same for the T/C side and we can say to each other , brother I'm sorry for all the wrongs that our sides did to each other.

Its becuase you are both so blind that you try to block out the realities oblivious to the facts and dangers involved, trying to look at things through rosey coloured glasses will not make everything better, it will just blurr your vision and help you drag your community into the danger zone. but hey whats the problem you have the comfort of knowing you are the 80% and anything you say goes, its bir who will be facing all sorts of problems when he tries to pay his water bill, I forgot it would be the Eu he can take his case to the ECHR and wait around 5 6 7 years from them to do anything.

[DT.]

Why is it that when an honest appraisal from either Kikapu , a T/C or my self a G/C , draws such venomous attacks from their own side.Is it because the truth that there were NO ANGELS in the conflict that left thousands of Cypriots dead and thousands of children orphaned , wives , mothers brothers and sisters in mourning , hurts so much because it exposes the propaganda by both sides that WE were the angels and THEY were the murderers.
Is it because the likes of Zan , VP , AlexiSS , Nikeforos wish nothing more than to preserve and nurture their intense hatred of the other side by continually delving into the past. So what is that makes Bir and I so close to each other and we have not even met or spoken on the phone. It is because we are both true Cypriots who have buried the past , looked at both sides of the coin and felt empathy for our brothers and sisters , and both express our unconditional love of all of Cyprus , North , South West and East. Is it maybe our shared dream of seeing our island united once again only this time minus the influence of the fanatics , having moved forward and having permanently ditched detrimental aspirations .Unless you see the other sides grievances and appreciate their predicament you can not think rationally. I have faced the dreadful errors and injustices carried out by the G/C side and Bir the same for the T/C side and we can say to each other , brother I'm sorry for all the wrongs that our sides did to each other.

Its becuase you are both so blind that you try to block out the realities oblivious to the facts and dangers involved, trying to look at things through rosey coloured glasses will not make everything better, it will just blurr your vision and help you drag your community into the danger zone. but hey whats the problem you have the comfort of knowing you are the 80% and anything you say goes, its bir who will be facing all sorts of problems when he tries to pay his water bill, I forgot it would be the Eu he can take his case to the ECHR and wait around 5 6 7 years from them to do anything.

ZZZZZZZZZ yes yes...theres danger everywhere you look....ZZZZZ

[BirKibrisli]

Why is it that when an honest appraisal from either Kikapu , a T/C or my self a G/C , draws such venomous attacks from their own side.Is it because the truth that there were NO ANGELS in the conflict that left thousands of Cypriots dead and thousands of children orphaned , wives , mothers brothers and sisters in mourning , hurts so much because it exposes the propaganda by both sides that WE were the angels and THEY were the murderers.
Is it because the likes of Zan , VP , AlexiSS , Nikeforos wish nothing more than to preserve and nurture their intense hatred of the other side by continually delving into the past. So what is that makes Bir and I so close to each other and we have not even met or spoken on the phone. It is because we are both true Cypriots who have buried the past , looked at both sides of the coin and felt empathy for our brothers and sisters , and both express our unconditional love of all of Cyprus , North , South West and East. Is it maybe our shared dream of seeing our island united once again only this time minus the influence of the fanatics , having moved forward and having permanently ditched detrimental aspirations .Unless you see the other sides grievances and appreciate their predicament you can not think rationally. I have faced the dreadful errors and injustices carried out by the G/C side and Bir the same for the T/C side and we can say to each other , brother I'm sorry for all the wrongs that our sides did to each other.

Its becuase you are both so blind that you try to block out the realities oblivious to the facts and dangers involved, trying to look at things through rosey coloured glasses will not make everything better, it will just blurr your vision and help you drag your community into the danger zone. but hey whats the problem you have the comfort of knowing you are the 80% and anything you say goes, its bir who will be facing all sorts of problems when he tries to pay his water bill, I forgot it would be the Eu he can take his case to the ECHR and wait around 5 6 7 years from them to do anything.

VP...you are so unwavering in your belief that the GCs are just waiting for you to make a mistake and they will jump on you and turn you into....what???? A Cypriot????What is wrong with living in a democratic country who respects everyone's human rights,follows equal opportunity and antidiscrimination principles,where everyone speaks 3 languages,and everyone is free to practise whatever religion they want in a secular state....????? And yes,where people have the right to seek protection from international and European law????You really don't realise ,do you,that your oft repeated demands for guarantees and special treatment for TCs are seen for what they are: incredible excuses to prolong the status qou for as long as possible...You are cutting the branch of the tree you are sitting on ,mate,and when you fall there will be noone to catch you...except those GCs you steadfastedly refuse to trust...

[Kikapu]

Why is it that when an honest appraisal from either Kikapu , a T/C or my self a G/C , draws such venomous attacks from their own side.Is it because the truth that there were NO ANGELS in the conflict that left thousands of Cypriots dead and thousands of children orphaned , wives , mothers brothers and sisters in mourning , hurts so much because it exposes the propaganda by both sides that WE were the angels and THEY were the murderers.
Is it because the likes of Zan , VP , AlexiSS , Nikeforos wish nothing more than to preserve and nurture their intense hatred of the other side by continually delving into the past. So what is that makes Bir and I so close to each other and we have not even met or spoken on the phone. It is because we are both true Cypriots who have buried the past , looked at both sides of the coin and felt empathy for our brothers and sisters , and both express our unconditional love of all of Cyprus , North , South West and East. Is it maybe our shared dream of seeing our island united once again only this time minus the influence of the fanatics , having moved forward and having permanently ditched detrimental aspirations .Unless you see the other sides grievances and appreciate their predicament you can not think rationally. I have faced the dreadful errors and injustices carried out by the G/C side and Bir the same for the T/C side and we can say to each other , brother I'm sorry for all the wrongs that our sides did to each other.

Its becuase you are both so blind that you try to block out the realities oblivious to the facts and dangers involved, trying to look at things through rosey coloured glasses will not make everything better, it will just blurr your vision and help you drag your community into the danger zone. but hey whats the problem you have the comfort of knowing you are the 80% and anything you say goes, its bir who will be facing all sorts of problems when he tries to pay his water bill, I forgot it would be the Eu he can take his case to the ECHR and wait around 5 6 7 years from them to do anything.

Fine Moron, take your 18% and piss off and forget about ever having the Northern Cyprus ever prospering at the same rate as the Southern Part, because they will never see the day of the "EU LIGHT". You already made your money from the "HARAM LAND", so when you get over populated by the Anatolians, then use your escape route back to the UK. You see Moron, you can be cocky, because you have options, but what about the vast majority of the TC's who does not have the same luxury as you, who can just to collect his "Haram Money" and move to the UK.

You claim that you like the idea of a 1 country 2 state solution, so why don't you push for that, which will be a win win for the large majority of Cypriots. How about show your humanity towards other TC's, who are not so well off as you are. Don't you want to share your prosperity with your country and community, or is it always the case of your own selfishness.

I don't even know why I even talk to a Moron like you. Just remember, that you do not make the decisions around the "TRNC", so shut the hell up, as if you have any control of your own destination, and you worry about the GC's holding you back, to have a decision for your family's future. You will do what ever Turkey decides and if you say NO, they have ways of dealing with you, and it won't be what I often tell you, which is to "go to hell". No, they will make sure, that you will get there.!!

Now no away and leave us alone.

[Viewpoint]

Why is it that when an honest appraisal from either Kikapu , a T/C or my self a G/C , draws such venomous attacks from their own side.Is it because the truth that there were NO ANGELS in the conflict that left thousands of Cypriots dead and thousands of children orphaned , wives , mothers brothers and sisters in mourning , hurts so much because it exposes the propaganda by both sides that WE were the angels and THEY were the murderers.
Is it because the likes of Zan , VP , AlexiSS , Nikeforos wish nothing more than to preserve and nurture their intense hatred of the other side by continually delving into the past. So what is that makes Bir and I so close to each other and we have not even met or spoken on the phone. It is because we are both true Cypriots who have buried the past , looked at both sides of the coin and felt empathy for our brothers and sisters , and both express our unconditional love of all of Cyprus , North , South West and East. Is it maybe our shared dream of seeing our island united once again only this time minus the influence of the fanatics , having moved forward and having permanently ditched detrimental aspirations .Unless you see the other sides grievances and appreciate their predicament you can not think rationally. I have faced the dreadful errors and injustices carried out by the G/C side and Bir the same for the T/C side and we can say to each other , brother I'm sorry for all the wrongs that our sides did to each other.

Its becuase you are both so blind that you try to block out the realities oblivious to the facts and dangers involved, trying to look at things through rosey coloured glasses will not make everything better, it will just blurr your vision and help you drag your community into the danger zone. but hey whats the problem you have the comfort of knowing you are the 80% and anything you say goes, its bir who will be facing all sorts of problems when he tries to pay his water bill, I forgot it would be the Eu he can take his case to the ECHR and wait around 5 6 7 years from them to do anything.

VP...you are so unwavering in your belief that the GCs are just waiting for you to make a mistake and they will jump on you and turn you into....what???? A Cypriot????What is wrong with living in a democratic country who respects everyone's human rights,follows equal opportunity and antidiscrimination principles,where everyone speaks 3 languages,and everyone is free to practise whatever religion they want in a secular state....????? And yes,where people have the right to seek protection from international and European law????You really don't realise ,do you,that your oft repeated demands for guarantees and special treatment for TCs are seen for what they are: incredible excuses to prolong the status qou for as long as possible...You are cutting the branch of the tree you are sitting on ,mate,and when you fall there will be noone to catch you...except those GCs you steadfastedly refuse to trust...

Without guarantees and safeguards to ensure my secuirty and political equality I will not budge one inch, time you realized this, as you so rightly say I do not trust GCs (this does not mean I hate them please dont confuse the 2) to do the right thing. You may have surrendered your future into the hands of GCs and are fine with living in a society where 80% of the population are Gcs and Greek is spoken all the time but I am not. I want my own state under a BBF solution with political equality...if this is not acceptable then partition is the only way out of this problem.

[Kikapu]

You are cutting the branch of the tree you are sitting on ,mate,and when you fall there will be noone to catch you...except those GCs you steadfastedly refuse to trust...

He is not worried about the branch breaking Bir, because VP will be landing on his "HARAM MONEY" he has already accrued, while not wanting a solution.

[Kikapu]

Bir, will you tell the Moron, that by having your state in a "BBF", will not give you a equal power sharing in the Federal Government. He might have the majority in the State Government, as long as the TC's are the majority there, but if in the future more and more GC's move North, because peace has proven to be working, then in a free elections, the TC's may not even have the majority there either after a while. But who cares, because those who would be living in the Northern State, GC's and Tc's alike, will want the best for their state.

Same will be for the Southern State of course.

[alexISS]

Angastiniotis has stated again and again that his work is addressed to the Greek Cypriots, so that they see and accept their share of responsibility for what happened in Cyprus. The fact that the Turkish propaganda machine uses his documentary to prove that they are "right" and the GCs are "wrong" is proof of its ruthlessness. TCs need an Angastiniotis of their own so that both communities can come closer