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[Natty]

I'm kind of confused about EOKA, you see I thought that EOKA (The official organisation) went from 1955-59 and was disbanded when Cyprus gained independence? So how could EOKA have been attacking people in the 60's? Or was it some ex-EOKA Extremist members? I've wandered about that for a while now..

[EPSILON]

I'm kind of confused about EOKA, you see I thought that EOKA (The official organisation) went from 1955-59 and was disbanded when Cyprus gained independence? So how could EOKA have been attacking people in the 60's? Or was it some ex-EOKA Extremist members? I've wandered about that for a while now..

Natty, you are a very clever person and i support 100% your question

[miltiades]

Hi NATTY , you have been away for a while havent you ?
EOKA was indeed the official Ethniki Organosis Kiprion Agoniston. It was indeed disbanded in 1959 at the signing of the Zurich aggreement. EOKA B is not to be confused with the original EOKA , although Georios Grivas was once again the leader of this illegal organisation that was nothing more than a terrorist group of disenchanted Greek Cypriots who still believed that the end result had not been achieved and embarked upon a systematic butchering of any one that opposed them . Those opposed were the Communists and the T/Cs , both whom were detested by Grivas .There were few voices of wisdom since most were scared to stand up against these thugs .
Their ultimate goal was the union of Cyprus to Greece. I'm glad they lost but sorry that all of Cyprus also lost as a result of the actions of these fanatics. Cyprus , once independence was given , had for the first time in its history its own destiny at hand , but throw it away . Let us hope that History does not repeat itself and that soon our island will be united .

[Natty]

I'm kind of confused about EOKA, you see I thought that EOKA (The official organisation) went from 1955-59 and was disbanded when Cyprus gained independence? So how could EOKA have been attacking people in the 60's? Or was it some ex-EOKA Extremist members? I've wandered about that for a while now..

Natty, you are a very clever person and i support 100% your question

Thank you Epilson...

It’s something that I’ve been a bit confused about..

[Natty]

Hi NATTY , you have been away for a while havent you ?
EOKA was indeed the official Ethniki Organosis Kiprion Agoniston. It was indeed disbanded in 1959 at the signing of the Zurich aggreement. EOKA B is not to be confused with the original EOKA , although Georios Grivas was once again the leader of this illegal organisation that was nothing more than a terrorist group of disenchanted Greek Cypriots who still believed that the end result had not been achieved and embarked upon a systematic butchering of any one that opposed them . Those opposed were the Communists and the T/Cs , both whom were detested by Grivas .There were few voices of wisdom since most were scared to stand up against these thugs .
Their ultimate goal was the union of Cyprus to Greece. I'm glad they lost but sorry that all of Cyprus also lost as a result of the actions of these fanatics. Cyprus , once independence was given , had for the first time in its history its own destiny at hand , but throw it away . Let us hope that History does not repeat itself and that soon our island will be united .

So people are confusing EOKA with EOKA B? You see I thought that EOKA B came about a little after the fist inter-communal fighting, and that at first the minority of men who engaged in the killing of innocent civilians were extremist ex-EOKA men..but I guess they were the ones who ultimately joined EOKA B...I also heard that EOKA B attacked many GC's who were against what they believed?

It is very sad, it's sad that some people took a goal that was legitimate and meant a lot to many Greek Cypriots, and turned it into something so sinister (Although don't get me wrong, in hind sight I can see that enosis wasn't what was best for the people of Cyprus, as I think most Greek Cypriots do..). You know I think we have a very nice little country, and I can not wait until it becomes whole again...literally..

[Natty]

Hi NATTY , you have been away for a while havent you ?

Sorry Miltiades, I forgot to say hi..

So....Hi Miltiades, how are you?

Your right I have been away for a while…although occasionally I did pop in to check how the forum was doing and to sometimes a leave message or two. I thought I’d get stuck in on the action today; I was quite missing being involved in the political ‘discussions’..

[Kikapu]

KIKAPU! I have never seen such a manipulating, fact twisting evil TC member as yourself in my life! You are full of shite mate! And your loving GC friends are still applauding you showing how desperate they are to maintain their "deny and lie" status. You are doing well in that department and I am absolutely sure that the Greek Cypriot Secret Service is rewarding you well for your efforts!

You argue "how come they never raped or killed us" - then this shows up in the same story you refer to:

My pregnant cousins husband was not amongst the returning trucks, and neither were many other men that had gone missing while we were kept as "prisoners". In fact he has never surfaced, and the cousin had a child without his father. She eventually accepted his doomed faith and moved on with her life and got remarried few years later. I have not seen her since.

Which one are we to believe? What you wrote then or what you write now?

Listen Dumbo! I actually lived in Kaymakli 1960-1963 and also what was left of Kaymakli after the war during 1966-1969. My friends uncle "RUSO", who was a sports teacher at high school was one of the TC residents who was dodging bullets and assisting civilians escape to Turkish part of Nicosia - he actually got shot while doing that and was a legend in Kaymakli - Do you remember him?

Where we subsequently lived in Kaymakli (after living all our property and home in Kyrenia in a rush to Nicosia's safety), across the road were old wheat silos and stores that were hastily converted to a refugee centre. My mother used to feel sorry for them and invite many of them around for breakfast and coffees. These were around 250-300 members made up of wives and children of men who disappeared during the attacks of 1963-64!

Men who disappeared in Kymakli were not unique! In fact, near enough 1000 TC men disappeared leaving behind what must have been at least 3-4000 family members who never saw them again to this day. There has been no explanation to their whereabouts until now. The same thing happens in 1974, and 1600 GCs are missing in a similar way. How can we be sure that it was not EOKA repeating their atrocities - this time on their people? After all, rivers of blood were flowing in the Greek side because of fights between Makarios supporters and EOKA!

I still say you are a liar because I can still remember everything in detail about what I saw when I was 10 years old and so does everyone else in this forum. I believe it is just a case of covering your ass just in case someone asks details of Kaymakli to you. Well I AM prepared to prove you a liar and here is a list of why:

1. You claim you lived in "Kucuk Kaymakli" that was a town South of Nicosia! What A LOAD OF CRAP! Kucuk Kaymakli was always and is East to North East of Nicosia! It was not a town but a part of Nicosia nothing separating them!

2. You claim you went to the Turkish School in Kaymakli and you wore black robes with a collar! What a load of crap! I went to the same school as from 1966 and what you are referring to is what the girls wore - a black dress with a white collar! Boys never wore any such thing when I was there - was you a transvestite by any chance?

3. I also remember the powdered milk that was boiled in large pots and served to us every morning with buttered bread. We clearly attended the same school because there were no other in Kaymakli at the time. We were told it was AMERICAN aid not sent by Kennedy - you frigging liar! Kennedy was shot dead 22 November 1963, before the Cyprus fighting started!

4. You claim "The university building that we were "prisoned" in had a 2-3 story building on one side of the court yard, while it had a one level building adjacent to". Were there any universities in Cyprus during 1964?

5. You falsely claim "In one case, where a mother and her children were murdered in cold blood in their bath tab one of the Kaymakli's. There was a picture showing the dead bodies in a blood stained bathtub walls. Even till today, when ever I think of these people being killed in the bathtub, I seem to focus on a particular house that was on the way to my school. I don't know if that was the house where the murders took place or not, but I seem to get drawn to it."

The murders in the bath tub with the famous photographs you mention above, never took place in Kaymakli but it was on the Western outskirts of Nicosia on the other side of town, in an area called Koskluciftlik!

You are a liar and a bloody fake Kikapu and you've just been EXPOSED as such! This is only after I read just one post of yours! Well, I'll tell you what - now I am on your case! Any TC who is not sure about the content of your posts please PM them to me and I'll point to more lies by KIKAPU the FAKE!

Do you know what, your family was always right and still are when they said (as you put it) "I was always being teased, like, 'we're going to have a hard time finding a wife for you" or being called a "mouse'." Except they were wrong with one thing. You are not a mouse but a dirty RAT!

BigToss,

I really do not need to respond in any way to your idiotic accusations, but since you have lived up to your name as being called the "C" word by "the Snake" the other day, the little 8 year old who gave his story from what he could remember 43 years ago, wants to challenge you with your accusations, because he wants to kick your ass for being that "C" word.

So lets start from the beginning.

Our good friend Natty asked members to write about the "intercommunal fighting, the truth", so we all wrote something. As usual, my story is a little bit longer than most. I sat down and wrote everything from memory as to the way it really was for me, as an 8 year old. Once again, I was filling the shoes of this little 8 year old boy, in order to present the actual feelings and visions and what he heard from others. What you got in this story was, what this 8 year old did and what had happened to his surroundings. He is only 8 years old, and yet BigToss, at age 54 with his worldly experience wants to call this child a Liar and worse, because the information may not be to his liking, because he knows it was not true.

So you have a David and Goliath here. The 8 year old is David.

So lets see what is not correct, according to Goliath.

1. I said that Kucuk Kaymakli was in the South and it is not. That is true, it is not and I saw it for myself when I was there last month. Did the 8 year old kid know that at that time. Does any kid knows any directions. I never looked on the map when I wrote this article. So Goliath is arguing as to where Kucuk Kaymakli is. I hope he is happy to set the record straight.

2. Goliath challenges David on what was worn in school. Goliath says, that no black robe and white collars were worn by boys, because he went to the same school in 1966, which is 3 years after the war had started.!! How the hell does he know when what was worn in 1963. I'm sure similar cloths were worn in Turkey, when I was there from 1964-66. So obviously, Goliath is confused.

3. Goliath talks about the food that we were served in school, which he agrees with, but David said, that he was told by the teachers, that this food was sent by Kennedy, but Goliath calls the 8 year old a liar, because he was told, it was from America, as if there's much difference. But it gets better, because he claims that Kennedy was shot on 22nd November 1963, therefore it could not have been Kennedy. I was in school while Kennedy was the president in 1962 and 1963, so of course we were told it was Kennedy. But you see, Goliath went to school in 1966, 3 years after Kennedy's death, so naturally Goliath was told that the food was coming from America.

4. Goliath disputes the fact, that because I said we were kept in a University, because that's what the 8 year old remembers the adults saying to him, but in fact it was a Girls School which I visited last months and took a lot of pictures, which was the exact way as I described the building. So, he is correct, that there were no Universities at that time in Cyprus, like an 8 year old kid knows the difference between a school and a university, or as if there is much difference in the purpose that they are built for, which is for EDUCATION: Sorry Goliath, but it was correctly described as an educational facility. Goliath is arguing with a 8 year old, on the terms of the building title.

5. Goliath wants to call the 8 year old a liar, because David thinks that the Bath Tub Murders might have been in Kucuk Kaymakli, but in fact, it was across town, in another location. As if it was not bad enough for the 8 year old to remember such horrific details of the murders, the 8 year is also expected to remember where the crimes took place. For this, the 54 year old man calls this 8 year old boy a liar, who has just spent a week in "prison" with his whole family. I think Hitler would have had more compassion to the Jews than these Fascist Propagandist for the "TRNC".

6.Then there was the missing men, including my cousins husband who was taken away the night before the fighting started. These missing men were not taken to where the 700 were held, was the reason, why they never returned back with us, a week later. They did not go missing while they were held as prisoners with us, because we never saw our cousins husband in the buildings that we were kept. I'm sure, most if not all the men who were taken away during the night, were killed soon after being taken away. So what is Goliath arguing about. Did anyone say that TC men were not killed. They were not killed where we were, that's all. same time, no body was hurt or raped or mistreated. But try telling this to the modern day Nazis such as BigToss.

So over all, the Nazi BigTosss did not say non of what I wrote did not happened, it just that it all happened, but in a slight and very minute other way, regarding whether it was called a School or a University, or was it a Black robe with a white collar or a regular clothing, and whether it was Kennedy that sends us the food or was in from America. Let us not forget, that he went to the same school as I did, as he claims, but in 1966 when I WAS THERE FROM 1962-3. Perhaps he is telling the truth for himself, but cannot speak for me, because we were at different times. By 1966, I was already in the UK.

Anyway, as I said i did not want to write this as my friend Birkibrisli said not to, but I know these Nazis, if you don't challenge them, they will just keep on doing it. You see, BigToss, the new head Nazi of Zan and VP wants to prove himself, so he wants to attack, to deflect attention, for their lies. So this will go on for a while, I expect. I have proven my case against the Nazis and that little 8 year old boy has stood against Tyranny from the worst kind, and will do the same in the future, because he only tells the truth, that the Nazis cannot tolerate.

Score:

DAVID WON.........v.........GOLIATH NIL.

8 year old boy.........v............BigToss

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[Svetlana]

Hi Guys and Girls

In the 'land of reality' it is a beauiful sunny day and I do not wish to spend my weekend, deleting personal insults from postings here. Please stick to topics and issues so that this Forum remains a place that people enjoy participating in.

thanks

Lana

[Kikapu]

Hi Guys and Girls

In the 'land of reality' it is a beauiful sunny day and I do not wish to spend my weekend, deleting personal insults from postings here. Please stick to topics and issues so that this Forum remains a place that people enjoy participating in.

thanks

Lana

I think it is safe to say, that there won't be much "fireworks" this weekend Lana, because the "TRNC" office in London is closed for the weekend, so BigToss wont be returning to his Propagandizing job until Monday.

Enjoy your weekend Lana.