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GC Author Antonis Angastiniyotis and GCs - READ and LEARN!

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Postby zan » Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:53 pm

the_snake_and_the_crane wrote:hahaha this guy is another moron. Check this...

If you read my posts carefully, I had always referred to and accepted the killings of GCs by the Turkish army.


You seemed to miss out on mentioning the many Greek Cypriots who were killed by the 'innocent' Turkish Cypriots in the 50's, 60's and upto 1974.


This is the showpiece quote of this thread tho. Dufus here says...

However I shall never agree to something untrue and wrong and that is the flawed info you are being fed in schools!


Then he says...

Eoka did not commit crimes against "some Turks" as you put it, but systematically destroyed many villages and killed many innocent TC civilians for no good reason, over a very long period of time!


BigFatOz,

Can you give me rough dates of the villages that EOKA supposedly cleared of Turkish Cypriots??? Like I say to many Turkish Cypriot liars in this forum - lets be specific.


No one is recycling anything and the purpose of the above post is to demonstrate to those GCs why they are victims of wrong propaganda and teachings in their schools. I do not need to read such books to know what was and probably is being preached by bishops in Greek Orthodox Churches. Neither do I have to be told by a GC how their children's brains are washed against the TCs and Turks.


If you do not need to read such books to know what is being taught - then how do you have such a great knowledge of the Greek Cypriot curriculem??? lol

We had similar problems with our schools in the North but accepted the criticism and have been acting on it for a long time now. No one teaches TC children to hate GCs or Greeks. No one tells them Geeks are smelly, murdering Christians, or our enemy! Yes, they are taught what happened in history and the mass murders by EOKA, but that is not the same thing - and unless all GCs are EOKA members, I see no reason why that should be offensive or bad teaching!


Well your history lessons are wrong because you have no clue and refuse to learn the truth about EOKA's history. By the way, again your showing how your living in denial. We have seen Turkish nationalism rampant over the last few years and seen how fucking petty and ultra-facist it can be just by seeing how the Turks act in London.

The same is not true for the GCs and their initial education. None of the paragraphs in red can be called a lie, and every GC who leaves aside emotions and has a realistic read will know so!


But you said you've never read a Greek history book - so how do you know this much again???

I had known many Greek elderly women who stayed in Kyrenia, and they were always treated with genuine kindness and affection in their everyday life. No one taunted or touched them - in fact I personally had conversations with two such women on regular basis never looking at them as the enemy or a "dirty Greek". I had never heard of Agastiniotis until recently, and he is definitely not on the TRNC payroll.


Dont do us any favours. We KNOW and have first hand experience the way the Turkish DOGS in the north have no respect for the elderly and places of worship.

Whatever he is, he must have kept a very low profile. But credit to him for speaking his mind after the borders between the two communities came down. I never heard of him making any TRNC propaganda (if) when he was in TRNC before GCs started crossing over! So somehow I do not agree with you on that one


I agree with Cypez - its a shame that this guy is making information to educate (whether it is false or accurate) his own community but Turk nationalists like yourself use it as propaganda. I get the feeling that Tony A knows this so do not understand why he does not take a neutral stance on history.



Big post from a little guy with nothing to say. Why don't you just copy and paste the word Lier to every post as you cannot say anything else. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:20 pm

Tony A. did the noble thing by tryign to educate his own people about the hidden attrocities committed in their name...He has been waiting for some time now for a TC to do the same thing,show up the wrongs done by his/her own people. Since nobody has come forward (perhaps with the exception of Sevgul Uludag who talked about both sides' atrocities in her book Incisini kaybeden Istirityeler) to do it,he is now considering doing it himself...I hope he is allowed to do it (though I doubt it) and I hope you,bigOz,will be the first to quote him if he does...Because this is exactly what should be happening.Instead of sweeping your own dirt under the carpet,you (one) should expose it for all to see. Then perhaps we can all learn that there is no point playing the blame game,that we are all guilty of terrible crimes against humanity,and we should accept it and apologise for it and move forward...As Desmond Tutu said to the Whites in South Africa once "You have to apologise,because if you don't apologise how can we ever forgive you????" Wise words from a very wise man...
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Postby zan » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:32 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Tony A. did the noble thing by tryign to educate his own people about the hidden attrocities committed in their name...He has been waiting for some time now for a TC to do the same thing,show up the wrongs done by his/her own people. Since nobody has come forward (perhaps with the exception of Sevgul Uludag who talked about both sides' atrocities in her book Incisini kaybeden Istirityeler) to do it,he is now considering doing it himself...I hope he is allowed to do it (though I doubt it) and I hope you,bigOz,will be the first to quote him if he does...Because this is exactly what should be happening.Instead of sweeping your own dirt under the carpet,you (one) should expose it for all to see. Then perhaps we can all learn that there is no point playing the blame game,that we are all guilty of terrible crimes against humanity,and we should accept it and apologise for it and move forward...As Desmond Tutu said to the Whites in South Africa once "You have to apologise,because if you don't apologise how can we ever forgive you????" Wise words from a very wise man...



You still don't get it do you. We were told for forty years that the whole Cyprus problem was our fault. For reasons not known to me the TCs did nothing to counter this and it still continues today. TRhde record has to be put straight and you are not willing to do it. Yes we have our share of the blame but we do not have our share of the "RoC' as it stands. When we can get our share the way the ERU and the rest of the qworld see it as being needed then we can move on. The trouble is of course we cannot move on before we go back to 74. That is not moving on and we cannot be the losers once again,
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Postby bigOz » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:35 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Tony A. did the noble thing by tryign to educate his own people about the hidden attrocities committed in their name...He has been waiting for some time now for a TC to do the same thing,show up the wrongs done by his/her own people. Since nobody has come forward (perhaps with the exception of Sevgul Uludag who talked about both sides' atrocities in her book Incisini kaybeden Istirityeler) to do it,he is now considering doing it himself...I hope he is allowed to do it (though I doubt it) and I hope you,bigOz,will be the first to quote him if he does...Because this is exactly what should be happening.Instead of sweeping your own dirt under the carpet,you (one) should expose it for all to see. Then perhaps we can all learn that there is no point playing the blame game,that we are all guilty of terrible crimes against humanity,and we should accept it and apologise for it and move forward...As Desmond Tutu said to the Whites in South Africa once "You have to apologise,because if you don't apologise how can we ever forgive you????" Wise words from a very wise man...

well said Birkibrisli but no one in TRNC denies GC losses or the events that took place during the invasion! This has been repeated by all in many posts...

Yet, each time you try to speak of the truth concerningt he root of the hatred (which is still evident with many GCs it seems) there is a strong wall of protest from all theGCs accross the board! No TC is sweeping anything under the carpet - ask me anything and I'll speak the truth whether it involves TCs or GCs!

Which truth is it we are denying?

that the GCs suffered more than TCs over the past 44 years?

that nothing really happened until 1974?

that Greeks are the rightful owners of the island and Turks are just a minority?

No Birkibrisli, the truth is not necessarily agreeing with what the GCs have been wrongly taught all this time...
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Postby zan » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:42 pm

Bravo....Well said bigOz
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:00 pm

bigOz wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:Tony A. did the noble thing by tryign to educate his own people about the hidden attrocities committed in their name...He has been waiting for some time now for a TC to do the same thing,show up the wrongs done by his/her own people. Since nobody has come forward (perhaps with the exception of Sevgul Uludag who talked about both sides' atrocities in her book Incisini kaybeden Istirityeler) to do it,he is now considering doing it himself...I hope he is allowed to do it (though I doubt it) and I hope you,bigOz,will be the first to quote him if he does...Because this is exactly what should be happening.Instead of sweeping your own dirt under the carpet,you (one) should expose it for all to see. Then perhaps we can all learn that there is no point playing the blame game,that we are all guilty of terrible crimes against humanity,and we should accept it and apologise for it and move forward...As Desmond Tutu said to the Whites in South Africa once "You have to apologise,because if you don't apologise how can we ever forgive you????" Wise words from a very wise man...

well said Birkibrisli but no one in TRNC denies GC losses or the events that took place during the invasion! This has been repeated by all in many posts...

Yet, each time you try to speak of the truth concerningt he root of the hatred (which is still evident with many GCs it seems) there is a strong wall of protest from all theGCs accross the board! No TC is sweeping anything under the carpet - ask me anything and I'll speak the truth whether it involves TCs or GCs! yes,bigOz but the truth you will speak will be your own truth,not absolute truth,that is what you seem not to appreciate.That is why i am screaming about empathy all the time,try for once to see the truth from the other side

Which truth is it we are denying?

that the GCs suffered more than TCs over the past 44 years?why try to apportion the blame and the suffering...can't we say both sides have suffered tremendously and say we are sorry for that...

that nothing really happened until 1974? anybody who has any sense knows that the trouble,as we know it,really started in 1571,there is no point denying it.There is no point worrying about anyone who insist that it all started in 1974,is it???

that Greeks are the rightful owners of the island and Turks are just a minority? nobody is the rightful owner of Cyprus,it is the other way around really,Cyprus owns all of us...why not try to see it that way...and if we are all Cypriots then no need to worry about majority/mi nority issues...

No Birkibrisli, the truth is not necessarily agreeing with what the GCs have been wrongly taught all this time...
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Postby miltiades » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:27 pm

Bir wrote :
"""nobody is the rightful owner of Cyprus,it is the other way around really,Cyprus owns all of us...why not try to see it that way...and if we are all Cypriots then no need to worry about majority/mi nority issues... """

Exactly , this is why there is so much respect between my self and Bir , we are both the children , or rather the senior citizens of our island. No majorities or minorities , true to the spirit that a man standing on his own has as much rights as a man standing with a crowd. We burried the past , both appreciate that our people suffered , the little children that never grew up , the young fathers that never saw their children grow up get married and become grand fathers. We apologise for the bloody fanatics that caused suffering to our people , but now we stand as senior citizens and proclaim our empathy to each and every Cypriot regardless .
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Postby zan » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:29 pm

And can we sell you time share in the "RoC". :roll:
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Postby the_snake_and_the_crane » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:31 pm

You are the biggest DOG walking around in Cyprus Snake! And the likes of you are the ones who have been blowing up mosques in the South for many decades.


Again gay boy - lets be specific. Which mosques have been blown up in the south??



The ignorance of most GCs in this thread and the points they raise are so friggin out of context, out of order and based on bad education I have no time to educate them all!


You...educate??? hahahaha



As fo you snake, you keep calling me names and a "big fat cock" might be closer to your permanently open mouth sooner than you realize! It is blatantly clear from the tolerance of other GCs participating with an ignorant thug like you in these posts what their own true colours and ideas are!


Sorry to disappoint you but im not gay.

Cs and GCs living together?
Cyprus Republic?
Giving an inch of land to GCs?
LONG LIVE:


Least we know who the theives are.
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Postby the_snake_and_the_crane » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:32 pm

Oh yeah - and you still havent given me the dates and names of villages that were cleared of Turkish Cypriots by EOKA.
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