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[Pyrpolizer]

I hope the chronology below (from independent and unbiased sources) ends all arguments about history of Cyprus and what developments had led to present situation.

Before any fanatic (from either side) starts to shoot off their mouth - I suggest they back up their claim…..

Could you please avoid such sweeping statements like "hope it ends all arguments"? I mean look at the last red part you highlighted. It says "and the Greek side also allows unfettered access between north and south…" This is totally inaccurate. RoC has never restricted access between the occupied and the other areas of Cypus. It is very well known who kept the Tcs locked for 30 years in an open prison and who restricted access… Another inaccuracy is that the RoC does not allow just everyone to cross. Only Cypriots and Europeans. Settlers are not allowed.

Is that really true. Could the TCs just walk accross without any papers or a "RoC" passport?????

Restricted access Zan means even if you prove you are a TC or a GC by showing your ID you are NOT ALLOWED TO PASS. And this was what TRashNcan was doing to both TCs and GCs and this is what RoC has never done.
Any clearer now in your spotless mind?

I think thee were a few more restrictions or conditions than that along the way Pyrokiks. When you try to hide what the real situation is then it looks like you are trying to hide something....Why is that mate...

You think or you are sure?? Which one is it? As usual you just open your mouth and you say nothing. Well if there were conditions why don't you write them down for all to see?

I bet you dont know.

How about you being honest for a change and telling me. I will have a go at it when I get back this morning. Try not to be a smart ass until then and PM me to let me know if you have an answer. ~Cheers lover

You are gay on top of it?

[Pyrpolizer]

Kikapu

strange coincidence. Todays politis has a mass grave just discovered with 11 bodies (3 children) all belonging to the same family.

Yiannakis Ioannou 10 months old
Mary Ioannou 7 years old
Sotira Ioannou 34 years old
Mihalis Ioannou 40 years old
Ioannis Ioannou 73 years old
Christina Stylianou 68 years old
Eleni Liasi 25 years old
Loucas Liasi 2 years old
Christina Liasi 23 tears old
Iliada Liasi 18 years old
Margarita Liasi 48 years old

the slaughter happened in 74 when turkish troops pulled them all out of the house in the yard and executed them.

Sad of course but I don't think any GC would go around saying "the cowards even kill babies".

You have just acted like typical GCs "denying and lying" as you have always done over the past 44 years! The above people were more than likely killed and buried by EOKA and you all know it well! The gender and age of the murdered people plus the mass grave are all fingerprints of blood thirsty EOKA who had repeated such atrocities in dozens of Turkish villages before and during 74.

This is not the first time GCs have falsely claimed the Turkish army carried out such a crime when a mass grave had just been discovered, only to determine afterwards it was done by EOKA! You do not need to be Sherlock Holmes to know this was EOKA's work!

Both DT and his source are lying because:

- If there was such a crime with someone knowing so much about the details of how it actually happened, why didn't the Cyprus government act on this information before and discover the grave?

- If there was an eye witness to this event as implied from he info, why was no such event ever reported in any GC media?

I find such claims totally tasteless and very harmful to any future chances of peace. Also I find this constant "deny and lie" policy very threatening indeed. What the above tells me that, in future, any fanatic in GC can kill my relatives of friends and claim afterwards "it was the Turkish settlers who did it!". Very sad indeed!

mrfromng - you are absolutely right my friend! I am now convinced in something I thought no one could convince me of in a million years! THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN LIVE WITH THESE PEOLE IN A UNITED CYUPRUS REPUBLIC. EU OR NO EU, BEST IS WE LIVE IN OUR PART OF THE ISLAND SAFELY AS MEMBERS OF TRNC AND they can carry on re-writing history + educating their young as they wish! We had hard times but we did not starve for 44 years. The way things are getting better everyday for TCs, we shall not do so in future either...

I wonder what will happen to you if you ever discover that its YOU who is actually in DENIAL and living in myths. Here's a short translation from Politis article of an eye witness co-villager named Androula Panteli. Sotera was her cousin and were living in the same village. The killings happened during the second stage of the invasion on 17 August. The coup happened in 20 July. The incident happened when Palaikythro their village was in full control of the Turkish army. And you have the nerve to claim it was the coupists who did it? When there were so many witnesses including the one who gave the interview to politis? Now you may ask why the eye witness was not also killed? I don't know. The newspaper only says the husband of the killed family was away at the front. Perhaps the murdered were stupid enough to tell her husband was at the front. I don't know, I only assume.

Here's the short translation:

The first day the Turks gathered us in the school. Next, they told us to go to our houses, until further notice. Sotera went to the house and took some things and then they all gathered in the house of the Shoupouri family, so that they are all together. On 17 August the murderers came in. They gathered them in the courtyard and began fire. Sotera was killed together with her 10 months boy Yianaki, embracing her 7 year daughter Mary, holding her mum from the skirt… The dead in the courtyard of Shoupouri residence included another 16, most of them them relatives. Literally a slaughter.

And here's also the link but its in Greek. You can at least see the names:
http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... rticles&-p

[Pyrpolizer]

So DT, the murderers were not really the Turkish army as per Sevguls book, but 4 young TCs who are today living in Epicho village and EVERYBODY knows them? And they just killed the family to steal their animals?

[DT.]

So DT, the murderers were not really the Turkish army as per Sevguls book, but 4 young TCs who are today living in Epicho village and EVERYBODY knows them? And they just killed the family to steal their animals?

seems that way.

[denizaksulu]

Piratis: you say" We are just defending ourselves from the aggression of those partitionists that want to steal our land and benefit on the loss of those that they killed and ethnically cleansed. "


The fact of the matter is that the boot is on the othe foot nd you do not like it. Well, live with it. There is PEACE now, whatever other name you want to call it is irrelevant. When people with your mentality keep on ranting away, how do you expect your opposite numbers to want to re-unite. Personally, if all GCs are as vile as you and your stupid arguments, I would not even want to look at you. If you really want re-unification you must change your rhetoric, show more hospitality and tolerance, then may be you will make us see you (singular) in a different light. It was you in some posts saying, "let us forget the past" and in the same paragraph you yourself bring up past events. You are one confused man. And you can stop using foul and abusive language as well.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Its dumb arrogant cunts like Big Oz that makes me think we should go to war and reclaim back whats ours.

[Piratis]

denizaksulu, I have said many times that we should leave the past behind, and I mean it. But when you (TCs) keep talking about your distorted version of past events in order to excuse the crimes and illegalities against us today, then what exactly do you want? To allow that to pass? (well, I guess thats what you want)

I am just defending my rights. Unlike you I do not support crimes and illegalities. So you are the vile one, not me.

There is PEACE now, whatever other name you want to call it is irrelevant.

Sure, when the Turks oppress and violate our rights they call it "peace", when they kill us by the 1000s they call it "peace operation"

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Turkish peace = murdering, raping and ethnically cleansing a people then using 40,000 troops to hold the stolen land to ransom.

[Kikapu]

You fucking thieving piece of shit you are a criminal yourself benefiting from the land you stole from us by killing 6000 people and ethnically cleansing 200.000 and you are going to accuse my father??

And you expect us to live side by side with this aggression? Thank you but no thank you.

There would be bloodshed within 2 weeks, and it would be TCs blood. Leave it to kikapu and we would be like lamb to the slaughter.

Mrfromng,

I have been meaning to ask you this question for a few weeks now, but it never seemed to be the right time, except for now.

A little while back, you said ( I think) that you had 11 of your cousins and an Uncle I believe were killed by the GC's. First of all, let me say how sorry I'm to hear that mrfromng. I'm just a little curious as to how so many are killed from one family, so if you can give me all the information that you can, to help me understand the circumstances, as to how, where and what year all this happened. It would help me, if you mentioned their ages and who's kids they were. I do not mean their names of course.

Thanks.

As for your above comments........go suck an egg.

Are you really that ignorant about the events in Cyprus or are you being funny now? Why don't you ask your mum and dad how many families in villages made up of at least a dozen members were killed and buried.

Better still, why don't you do some research and find out for yourself what is abundantly clear! Failing that you can always fall for the lies that the Turkish army killed women and children as presented by DT in his recent post, and carry on with the flawed propaganda, where the GCs first do the killing and then put the blame on mainland Turkish forces (as proven on many occasions in the past) as the culprits.

Kikapu, your persistent one sided claims and wilful Greek propaganda for whatever personal benefit you are expecting no longer impress me! I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to look at things in an independent unbiased way, but clearly you are far too committed to open your eyes to the truth at times. But please stop insulting our intelligence by th eremarks you make in your above post,a nd stop pretending you represent ANY TCs views or opinions.

I do not believe there is a single TC in Cyprus who thinks the same as you do! So your vies are really immaterial, our GC friends can make what they like of it. You clearly present the package in a nice wrapping, touching the points most of us really want at heart - such as a united and war free Cyprus, outside the influence of Greece and Turkey, where Cypriots can leave in harmony - but really, the contents of the package are lacking in any substance and at times fuel TC or Turkish hatred...

BigOz,

What the hell got into you to start your ranting and raving. I asked a simple question to mrfromng about the death of his family members by the GC's, that mrfromng claimed to have happened. He made the statement couple of weeks ago, and so I'm asking him for the information relating to his family and not for the whole event in Cyprus. I don't know why it is any of your business to answer for mrfromng, when he is more than capable of answering himself.

As for my biased views. Again, what the hell are you talking about.? Is asking a question relating to a Forum member's families misery a one sided view.? If it is, then it is the view in favour of the TC's and not the GC's that may have killed them.

Since you do not want mrfromng to answer my question, and you seem to know all that has happened in the Cypriot conflicts, then you tell me Einstein, as to what were the circumstances as to what happened to mrfromng's family, and while you're at it, perhaps you can tell me more about my self and my family's "adventures" in the first week of the troubles that started in 1963, in Kücük Kaymakli, and our times spent as prisoners for a week amongst 700 other TC's. Perhaps I'm spreading more Greek Propaganda according to you. You can't even understand the difference between what is a Propaganda and what is not BigOz, but you make baseless statements all the same. This is very disappointing from a person who claims to have a BRAIN, because just now you have resorted to Propaganda yourself, in trying to protect the TC's from being accused of anything, when all I was trying to find out was, how did mrfromng's family died in the hands of the GC's.

I guess you playing the role of the "Good Cop" with me is over.

[bigOz]

Its dumb arrogant cunts like Big Oz that makes me think we should go to war and reclaim back whats ours.

It is what is swimming in your mother's cunt that created a bastard like you who scream of war criesd after getting fucked over and over again! You want more cock - come and get it - bring your sisters too with their fish smelling pussies!