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[zan]

I hope the chronology below (from independent and unbiased sources) ends all arguments about history of Cyprus and what developments had led to present situation.

Before any fanatic (from either side) starts to shoot off their mouth - I suggest they back up their claim…..

Could you please avoid such sweeping statements like "hope it ends all arguments"? I mean look at the last red part you highlighted. It says "and the Greek side also allows unfettered access between north and south…" This is totally inaccurate. RoC has never restricted access between the occupied and the other areas of Cypus. It is very well known who kept the Tcs locked for 30 years in an open prison and who restricted access… Another inaccuracy is that the RoC does not allow just everyone to cross. Only Cypriots and Europeans. Settlers are not allowed.

Is that really true. Could the TCs just walk accross without any papers or a "RoC" passport?????

Restricted access Zan means even if you prove you are a TC or a GC by showing your ID you are NOT ALLOWED TO PASS. And this was what TRashNcan was doing to both TCs and GCs and this is what RoC has never done.
Any clearer now in your spotless mind?

I think thee were a few more restrictions or conditions than that along the way Pyrokiks. When you try to hide what the real situation is then it looks like you are trying to hide something....Why is that mate...

[DT.]

Can we have the link and proof of who killed these people please. I do not wish to undermine what happened here but you guys always dispute who killed the ones we put forward so now I demand the sourse for these killings. The coup was in full swing if I remember it right........

page 3 of politis just read the paper today. Actually the mass grave discovered had 19 bodies. The 11 I listed are the relatives of a Mrs Androulla Panteli who had to go and receive the remains.

The village was Palekythrou, the execution was done by the Turkish armed forces and as soon as politis puts it up on the elctronic edition i will provide link and translation.

[DT.]

You fucking thieving piece of shit you are a criminal yourself benefiting from the land you stole from us by killing 6000 people and ethnically cleansing 200.000 and you are going to accuse my father??

And you expect us to live side by side with this aggression? Thank you but no thank you.

There would be bloodshed within 2 weeks, and it would be TCs blood. Leave it to kikapu and we would be like lamb to the slaughter.

Mrfromng,

I have been meaning to ask you this question for a few weeks now, but it never seemed to be the right time, except for now.

A little while back, you said ( I think) that you had 11 of your cousins and an Uncle I believe were killed by the GC's. First of all, let me say how sorry I'm to hear that mrfromng. I'm just a little curious as to how so many are killed from one family, so if you can give me all the information that you can, to help me understand the circumstances, as to how, where and what year all this happened. It would help me, if you mentioned their ages and who's kids they were. I do not mean their names of course.

Thanks.

As for your above comments........go suck an egg.

Are you really that ignorant about the events in Cyprus or are you being funny now? Why don't you ask your mum and dad how many families in villages made up of at least a dozen members were killed and buried.

Better still, why don't you do some research and find out for yourself what is abundantly clear! Failing that you can always fall for the lies that the Turkish army killed women and children as presented by DT in his recent post, and carry on with the flawed propaganda, where the GCs first do the killing and then put the blame on mainland Turkish forces (as proven on many occasions in the past) as the culprits.

Kikapu, your persistent one sided claims and wilful Greek propaganda for whatever personal benefit you are expecting no longer impress me! I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to look at things in an independent unbiased way, but clearly you are far too committed to open your eyes to the truth at times. But please stop insulting our intelligence by th eremarks you make in your above post,a nd stop pretending you represent ANY TCs views or opinions.

I do not believe there is a single TC in Cyprus who thinks the same as you do! So your vies are really immaterial, our GC friends can make what they like of it. You clearly present the package in a nice wrapping, touching the points most of us really want at heart - such as a united and war free Cyprus, outside the influence of Greece and Turkey, where Cypriots can leave in harmony - but really, the contents of the package are lacking in any substance and at times fuel TC or Turkish hatred...

WOuld you like evidence that these are the turkish armed forces?

[zan]

You fucking thieving piece of shit you are a criminal yourself benefiting from the land you stole from us by killing 6000 people and ethnically cleansing 200.000 and you are going to accuse my father??

And you expect us to live side by side with this aggression? Thank you but no thank you.

There would be bloodshed within 2 weeks, and it would be TCs blood. Leave it to kikapu and we would be like lamb to the slaughter.

Mrfromng,

I have been meaning to ask you this question for a few weeks now, but it never seemed to be the right time, except for now.

A little while back, you said ( I think) that you had 11 of your cousins and an Uncle I believe were killed by the GC's. First of all, let me say how sorry I'm to hear that mrfromng. I'm just a little curious as to how so many are killed from one family, so if you can give me all the information that you can, to help me understand the circumstances, as to how, where and what year all this happened. It would help me, if you mentioned their ages and who's kids they were. I do not mean their names of course.

Thanks.

As for your above comments........go suck an egg.

Are you really that ignorant about the events in Cyprus or are you being funny now? Why don't you ask your mum and dad how many families in villages made up of at least a dozen members were killed and buried.

Better still, why don't you do some research and find out for yourself what is abundantly clear! Failing that you can always fall for the lies that the Turkish army killed women and children as presented by DT in his recent post, and carry on with the flawed propaganda, where the GCs first do the killing and then put the blame on mainland Turkish forces (as proven on many occasions in the past) as the culprits.

Kikapu, your persistent one sided claims and wilful Greek propaganda for whatever personal benefit you are expecting no longer impress me! I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to look at things in an independent unbiased way, but clearly you are far too committed to open your eyes to the truth at times. But please stop insulting our intelligence by th eremarks you make in your above post,a nd stop pretending you represent ANY TCs views or opinions.

I do not believe there is a single TC in Cyprus who thinks the same as you do! So your vies are really immaterial, our GC friends can make what they like of it. You clearly present the package in a nice wrapping, touching the points most of us really want at heart - such as a united and war free Cyprus, outside the influence of Greece and Turkey, where Cypriots can leave in harmony - but really, the contents of the package are lacking in any substance and at times fuel TC or Turkish hatred...

WOuld you like evidence that these are the turkish armed forces?

Are you denying that the Coupist Greeks killed many and the Turks got the blame for the lot DT??

[Pyrpolizer]

bIGoz,

Someone has posted the link from your side that shows ALL the TC people who died from the between the 50s until 1975, together with their photographs, age, place and date. The full list was not more than 800 names.... So if you are now claiming there were so many families of dozens of TC slaughtered people why don't you refer to that list and give us the names. I repeat it is from "official" TC sources. mrfromng was here then but he never pointed us any names.

NB.HELP please. Could someone post that link again? was it Murataga who posted it or halil?

[bigOz]

Kikapu

strange coincidence. Todays politis has a mass grave just discovered with 11 bodies (3 children) all belonging to the same family.

Yiannakis Ioannou 10 months old
Mary Ioannou 7 years old
Sotira Ioannou 34 years old
Mihalis Ioannou 40 years old
Ioannis Ioannou 73 years old
Christina Stylianou 68 years old
Eleni Liasi 25 years old
Loucas Liasi 2 years old
Christina Liasi 23 tears old
Iliada Liasi 18 years old
Margarita Liasi 48 years old

the slaughter happened in 74 when turkish troops pulled them all out of the house in the yard and executed them.

Sad of course but I don't think any GC would go around saying "the cowards even kill babies".

You have just acted like typical GCs "denying and lying" as you have always done over the past 44 years! The above people were more than likely killed and buried by EOKA and you all know it well! The gender and age of the murdered people plus the mass grave are all fingerprints of blood thirsty EOKA who had repeated such atrocities in dozens of Turkish villages before and during 74.

This is not the first time GCs have falsely claimed the Turkish army carried out such a crime when a mass grave had just been discovered, only to determine afterwards it was done by EOKA! You do not need to be Sherlock Holmes to know this was EOKA's work!

Both DT and his source are lying because:

- If there was such a crime with someone knowing so much about the details of how it actually happened, why didn't the Cyprus government act on this information before and discover the grave?

- If there was an eye witness to this event as implied from he info, why was no such event ever reported in any GC media?

I find such claims totally tasteless and very harmful to any future chances of peace. Also I find this constant "deny and lie" policy very threatening indeed. What the above tells me that, in future, any fanatic in GC can kill my relatives of friends and claim afterwards "it was the Turkish settlers who did it!". Very sad indeed!

mrfromng - you are absolutely right my friend! I am now convinced in something I thought no one could convince me of in a million years! THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN LIVE WITH THESE PEOLE IN A UNITED CYUPRUS REPUBLIC. EU OR NO EU, BEST IS WE LIVE IN OUR PART OF THE ISLAND SAFELY AS MEMBERS OF TRNC AND they can carry on re-writing history + educating their young as they wish! We had hard times but we did not starve for 44 years. The way things are getting better everyday for TCs, we shall not do so in future either...

[Pyrpolizer]

I hope the chronology below (from independent and unbiased sources) ends all arguments about history of Cyprus and what developments had led to present situation.

Before any fanatic (from either side) starts to shoot off their mouth - I suggest they back up their claim…..

Could you please avoid such sweeping statements like "hope it ends all arguments"? I mean look at the last red part you highlighted. It says "and the Greek side also allows unfettered access between north and south…" This is totally inaccurate. RoC has never restricted access between the occupied and the other areas of Cypus. It is very well known who kept the Tcs locked for 30 years in an open prison and who restricted access… Another inaccuracy is that the RoC does not allow just everyone to cross. Only Cypriots and Europeans. Settlers are not allowed.

Is that really true. Could the TCs just walk accross without any papers or a "RoC" passport?????

Restricted access Zan means even if you prove you are a TC or a GC by showing your ID you are NOT ALLOWED TO PASS. And this was what TRashNcan was doing to both TCs and GCs and this is what RoC has never done.
Any clearer now in your spotless mind?

I think thee were a few more restrictions or conditions than that along the way Pyrokiks. When you try to hide what the real situation is then it looks like you are trying to hide something....Why is that mate...

You think or you are sure?? Which one is it? As usual you just open your mouth and you say nothing. Well if there were conditions why don't you write them down for all to see?

I bet you dont know.

[DT.]

Big Oz have pm'd you with general evidence of a past post of mine which i do not wish to tire everyone else with right now. WIll present you the latest evidence of this mass grave.

I have no issue admitting atrocities regarding my side. You should find a way to deal with your atrocities as well. I know its difficult.

[zan]

I hope the chronology below (from independent and unbiased sources) ends all arguments about history of Cyprus and what developments had led to present situation.

Before any fanatic (from either side) starts to shoot off their mouth - I suggest they back up their claim…..

Could you please avoid such sweeping statements like "hope it ends all arguments"? I mean look at the last red part you highlighted. It says "and the Greek side also allows unfettered access between north and south…" This is totally inaccurate. RoC has never restricted access between the occupied and the other areas of Cypus. It is very well known who kept the Tcs locked for 30 years in an open prison and who restricted access… Another inaccuracy is that the RoC does not allow just everyone to cross. Only Cypriots and Europeans. Settlers are not allowed.

Is that really true. Could the TCs just walk accross without any papers or a "RoC" passport?????

Restricted access Zan means even if you prove you are a TC or a GC by showing your ID you are NOT ALLOWED TO PASS. And this was what TRashNcan was doing to both TCs and GCs and this is what RoC has never done.
Any clearer now in your spotless mind?

I think thee were a few more restrictions or conditions than that along the way Pyrokiks. When you try to hide what the real situation is then it looks like you are trying to hide something....Why is that mate...

You think or you are sure?? Which one is it? As usual you just open your mouth and you say nothing. Well if there were conditions why don't you write them down for all to see?

I bet you dont know.

How about you being honest for a change and telling me. I will have a go at it when I get back this morning. Try not to be a smart ass until then and PM me to let me know if you have an answer. ~Cheers lover

[DT.]

http://www.politis.com.cy/cgibin/hweb?- ... -w=ΠΑΛΑΙΚΥΘΡΟΥ@&-P

here you are...i made a mistake though it wasn't turkish soldiers but 4 armed TC's that committed this murder.

I will tranlsate and post later.