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[Piratis]

Just tell me, we could do it together, I like doing that anonymously too!

It is obvious that you like it. If you didn't you wouldn't start talking crap in the first place. When you throw insults you should know that you will get the right answer, and don't start crying when you get it.

[Piratis]

You came out first and said that the guy gets bribed from the States, or the CIA, or God himself, to commit treason, right? And not only that, but his followers, too! Now, that's not an insult, is it? Well, ok, I am one of his followers, so... what does that make me? Either stupid, or a traitor, right?

I didn't refer to you personally, you started the personal insults.
The conclusion about you being traitor or stupid is yours. I didn't know that you could be a follower of a journalist, but thanks for admitting this.

Personally I am nobody's follower, so a similar comment about anybody would not bother me.

[Saint Jimmy]

Personally I am nobody's follower, so a similar comment about anybody would not bother me.

All right, now you're saying something, instead of keeping this stupid game up. It was about time we gave it up, anyway.
Now: the point is not about being anyone's follower or not. You agree with Tassos's policy. I would call you his follower and you wouldn't. Fair enough. That's not the point.
The point lies in 'a similar comment'. If I were to say something like that about anyone, without any proof, well, I'd be wrong. You can suspect/imagine/dream of whatever you want, as can I, but it becomes a problem when you start considering your assumptions/suspicions/halucinations as reality.
How the hell would you know that he takes money from Americans? And how can you reject the possibility that he just believes in what he writes? I believe in it, and I don't get any dollars, so why not him, too?
If you know something that I don't, then it changes everything, but please share

[Bananiot]

Piratis is giving the tune and everyone is dancing to it. In a banana republic no one deals with the substance and Piratis does not deal with the essence of what Loucas wrote. He just dismissed everything because the man is "CIA's pay roll". I think we are all bananiots ...

By the way, Tasos's and Christofias's plan for a velvet partition is moving on just fine. But they are not traitors, partition is the next best solution, Tassos said it and no one complained, only those that are paid by the Americans!

[Piratis]

Now: the point is not about being anyone's follower or not. You agree with Tassos's policy. I would call you his follower and you wouldn't.

When they called me from RAI for a survey some weeks after the referendum I didn't give good "grades" to Papadopoulos because I believe it was a wrong decision to accept that Americans would "fill in the gabs" especially after our entry to the EU was already certain.
Also, I have never voted for Papadopoulos party in any kind of elections. Sure I agree with the general policy of him, as opposed to the disastrous "good boy - pants down - bent" policies of Vassiliou - Cleredes, but this doesn't mean I am his follower.
For me there is a difference between criticizing a person or a government and back stabbing our own country. Even if I never liked Cleredes, while he was president I have never said anything in public against him or his government that could be used by our enemies to harm our country. I believe everybody should do the same, especially the journalists whose voice is much "louder" than ours.

How the hell would you know that he takes money from Americans? And how can you reject the possibility that he just believes in what he writes?

I don't reject the possibility, quite the opposite. These people already have certain ideas, the american dollars simply reinforce these ideas, make them even harder and make it more profitable for them to express them. As I told you already it is a common secret, but not illegal since nobody can convict them for receiving money from abroad.

Personally I am in a related industry, and you would be amazed on how some "news" that you read in the newspapers have very little to do with the journalist that puts his signature under it. Money my friend can buy everything unfortunately.

[brother]

heh...heh...i love this debate but i find it very silly that piratis reckons that voicing an opinion that is not in line with goverment policy hurts the country and they should instead stay quiet, wow....that is like a dictatorship, in a country which piratis likes to non-stop quote human rights, freedom of speech only hurts those with a sinister plot and not the free thinking community or country, to be a great country you NEED people with different ideas to enable the population to see all the pros. and cons. in front of them, not hush them up as piratis suggests.

[Bananiot]

Absolutely brother, but in a banana republic, its not just Piratis that behaves in a near fascist way. Papadopoulos himself called the 100 000 GC's that voted for a solution "nainaikides" meaning traitors, and also acting on advice from spin doctors spread the rumours that people that voted "yes" in the referendum got rich from UNOPS funds.

You can express your opinion, if you dare, but be sure you will be wearing your bulletproof vest for the barrage of mud that will follow. If a bomb is planted on your doorstep, then, you must have planted it yourself, to raise public bloody sympathy!

[Piratis]

Brother,
If in Turkey somebody was coming out to say the truth: That Turkey illegally occupies Cyprus, grossly violates the human rights of 1000s of people and that her troops should withdrew immediately in accordance with UN resolutions in order to respect the severity of Republic of Cyprus, then this person would be either jailed (Turkeys prisons are full with political prisoners) or murdered (murders of journalists is not a rare phenomenon there either).

So don't confuse things. I never asked that the opinion of anybody should be silenced. (Some others wanted to silence the views I express).
what I said is that people should be more responsible when talk publicly about matters that can be used by our enemies in order to harm us. (obviously for TCs this is not an issue, since harming Republic of Cyprus is their aim as well).

There is a difference between constructive criticism of the government, and an attempt to dissolve the state. In any case this is just a suggestion I made, and I never said it should be enforced, so your claims about dictatorship have no base. Everybody is free to say whatever, and then people should be free as well to judge them and make their own conclusions. Any problem with that?

[Piratis]

barrage of mud

Bannanit, you do nothing more than throwing mud and empty unfounded accusations. So you are not the right person to talk about mud throwing.

I guess you want to throw your mud, make hits under the belt, lie, accuse etc, and get nothing in response? If you don't want to get hit, then don't hit. If you hit us, then don't start crying like a little baby because we responded, because we will, either you like it or not.

[brother]

Piratis lets you and i mend our relationship.

I agree turkey's human rights record sucks and yes if anybody voiced anything above that you suggested would be in prison, so no arguement from me there.
But ROC is not turkey, thank God, but when you get hit with a crtisism you do not like try to refrain from using turkey as your defense, we all know what turkey is like.

As for comments that hurt the country, well the state is a big boy and can take it, and as such it will also i believe evaluate that slur/comment in its stride and if there is any cedit to it, then will look to amend itself hence the country will be better for it.