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[joe]

German foreign minister regrets Turkey's failure to take steps on Cyprus

2007-06-04 13:26:52 -

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Germany's foreign minister on Monday expressed regret that Turkey failed to take steps to recognize Cyprus and initiate direct trade as a way to make progress with its troubled EU membership bid.

«It is disappointing that the expected development on Cyprus has not occurred,» German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said. «It
is also disappointing that there is no progress on direct trade.»

Full article below:
http://www.pr-inside.com/german-foreign ... 143203.htm

[Kikapu]

Germany is Turkey's best friend, next to the UK in the EU, so if the Germans can't help to establish Direct trade with the "TRNC", based on Turkey's wishes, then I do not know, who will.

I hope Turkey is not waiting any Democrats in the White House to be in 2008, to come to their aid of the "TRNC" to establish Direct Trade or Recognition of the "TRNC" anytime soon either. If a Right Winger like George W. Bush would not do it, no Democrats are going to do it.

[MR-from-NG]

Germany is Turkey's best friend, next to the UK in the EU, so if the Germans can't help to establish Direct trade with the "TRNC", based on Turkey's wishes, then I do not know, who will.

I hope Turkey is not waiting any Democrats in the White House to be in 2008, to come to their aid of the "TRNC" to establish Direct Trade or Recognition of the "TRNC" anytime soon either. If a Right Winger like George W. Bush would not do it, no Democrats are going to do it.

and that makes kikapus very happy

[Strahd]

Germany is not Turkey's best friend. They just see the Cyprus problem and TRNC taiwanisation as an easy trade off to Turkey accepting a special relationship with the EU rather than pursuing full membership.

[bigOz]

No! That makes Kikapu and evryone else look very stupid indeed!
(Sorry Kikapu but I could not help that one! you will agree with me why...)

If you all read the post more carefully, it is referring to Turkey establishing direct trade with RoC (which will also allow the use of Turkish sea and airports by Cypriot ships - aircraft).

What it does show is what I said in an earlier post today; Turkey no longer gives a toss about pleasing the EU or what its members think. RoC do not allow direct trade with TRNC, Turkey refuses any direct trade with RoC! end of...

[Kikapu]

No! That makes Kikapu and evryone else look very stupid indeed!
(Sorry Kikapu but I could not help that one! you will agree with me why...)

If you all read the post more carefully, it is referring to Turkey establishing direct trade with RoC (which will also allow the use of Turkish sea and airports by Cypriot ships - aircraft).

What it does show is what I said in an earlier post today; Turkey no longer gives a toss about pleasing the EU or what its members think. RoC do not allow direct trade with TRNC, Turkey refuses any direct trade with RoC! end of...

BigOz,

The two issues regarding Direct Trade between "TRNC" with EU and Direct Trade between RoC and Turkey for all intensive purposes are the same to Turkey. What I'm saying is, the "TRNC" should not expect any help from the Germans or the USA for the Direct Trade to occur any time soon.

RoC in my opinion doesn't care too much about if the have Direct Trade with Turkey or not, it is more like trying to stick it to Turkey, through the EU leverage. Turkey in return, wants to "save face" and are refusing to budge. In the end, Turkey is the one who is seen by the EU as a non cooperative partner, towards helping herself towards entering the EU Club.

Having said that, I'm sure Cyprus Airways would love to fly over Turkish Territory to get to it's destinations, to place in Europe.

The reason why I say that Germany is one of Turkey's best friends, is the fact large numbers of Turks living in Germany. I know this is a negative for the Fascist, but their contribution to the German economy is enormous. Countries that do not want Turkey in the EU, will always use Turkey's refusal to deal with the RoC, as required by the EU, as a good excuse to keep her out. Until Turkey gives into the EU demands to open her ports to RoC, Turkey is stuck where she is. The ball is in her corner, I'm afraid.

[bigOz]

No! That makes Kikapu and everyone else look very stupid indeed!
(Sorry Kikapu but I could not help that one! you will agree with me why...)

If you all read the post more carefully, it is referring to Turkey establishing direct trade with RoC (which will also allow the use of Turkish sea and airports by Cypriot ships - aircraft).

What it does show is what I said in an earlier post today; Turkey no longer gives a toss about pleasing the EU or what its members think. RoC do not allow direct trade with TRNC, Turkey refuses any direct trade with RoC! end of...

BigOz,

The two issues regarding Direct Trade between "TRNC" with EU and Direct Trade between RoC and Turkey for all intensive purposes are the same to Turkey. What I'm saying is, the "TRNC" should not expect any help from the Germans or the USA for the Direct Trade to occur any time soon.

RoC in my opinion doesn't care too much about if the have Direct Trade with Turkey or not, it is more like trying to stick it to Turkey, through the EU leverage. Turkey in return, wants to "save face" and are refusing to budge. In the end, Turkey is the one who is seen by the EU as a non cooperative partner, towards helping herself towards entering the EU Club.

Having said that, I'm sure Cyprus Airways would love to fly over Turkish Territory to get to it's destinations, to place in Europe.

The reason why I say that Germany is one of Turkey's best friends, is the fact large numbers of Turks living in Germany. I know this is a negative for the Fascist, but their contribution to the German economy is enormous. Countries that do not want Turkey in the EU, will always use Turkey's refusal to deal with the RoC, as required by the EU, as a good excuse to keep her out. Until Turkey gives into the EU demands to open her ports to RoC, Turkey is stuck where she is. The ball is in her corner, I'm afraid.

Yes Kikapu! But the original post and thread is not about that at all and has been wrongly interpreted by everyone who replied! Are we going to argue about that as well?

As for your remarks about EU and Turkey - Turkey has passed the point of caring about the EU or being a part of it. They have realised that they will NEVER be made a member and the whole thing is nothing but a clever plan to enforce other's political views on them. They even realise that recognising GC led RoC government and trading with them will not earn a ticket into Europe - so why should they? Especially when RoC is persisting in encouraging economic embargoes on the TC occupants of the island.

I am afraid those who wish to force TCs into submission by effectively taking away Turkey's support from TRNC, will have to discover some other toy than membership to the EU argument.

BTW, after seeing the loony laws of the EU restricting cultural traditions I have also become an anti - EU campaigner. Who needs some homo or a dyke sitting in Brussels telling my people that they should have special days for promoting "Gayness" and having a carnival to do so , while banning sale of some fresh food or fruit in my local shop because they are not packed to EU standards? I won't be surprised if sale of Doner kebabs become illegal on "HEalth and Safety" grounds - now that alone is worth campaigning against the EU!

[Get Real!]

I am afraid those who wish to force TCs into submission by effectively taking away Turkey's support from TRNC, will have to discover some other toy than membership to the EU argument.

They already have. The Armenian genocide wounds have been opened up by France and a couple of other countries out of the blue, and we also have Iraqi/Turkish Kurd escalations in the East forcing Turkey to take "forbidden" action…

I really don't see any grand plans destined for Turkey by the international community as Turkey sometimes seems to brag about...

[DT.]

it is strange how there seem to be a lot of fronts opening up against turkey all of a sudden.

[askimwos]

As for your remarks about EU and Turkey - Turkey has passed the point of caring about the EU or being a part of it. They have realised that they will NEVER be made a member and the whole thing is nothing but a clever plan to enforce other's political views on them. They even realise that recognising GC led RoC government and trading with them will not earn a ticket into Europe - so why should they? Especially when RoC is persisting in encouraging economic embargoes on the TC occupants of the island.

Well BigOz I will have to disagree with you. I suggest you ask the big companies that are enlisted to the Istabul Stock Exchange whether they are interested or not. Whether we like it or not we live in a capitalistic world and Governments are hugely influenced by what companies want!
How do you think a withdrawal of the turkish application for the EU by the Turkish Government will go down in Istambul Stock Exchange. How this will affect the value of the Turkish Lira and the turkish economy? Turkey at the moment id buying time with regards to the recognistion of the RoC and it will eventually have to do it, however I do not think that this will affect the Cyprus Problem by much. Lets not forget that Turkey only in 1987 (I think) withraw its recognition of the RoC. In the period between 1974-87 Turkey accepted and recognised the RoC did that affect its policies towards the CyProb? The answer is an obvious No.

BTW, after seeing the loony laws of the EU restricting cultural traditions I have also become an anti - EU campaigner. Who needs some homo or a dyke sitting in Brussels telling my people that they should have special days for promoting "Gayness" and having a carnival to do so , while banning sale of some fresh food or fruit in my local shop because they are not packed to EU standards? I won't be surprised if sale of Doner kebabs become illegal on "HEalth and Safety" grounds - now that alone is worth campaigning against the EU!

I think you have been taken for ride here BigOz. I do not think that there is any EU saying that state members should have days promoting "Gayness" or having a carnival. What EU law states is that there shouldn't be any discrimination be it sexual, racial or religion. So you can not really outlaw any event that may promote gayness or any religion etc. A bit different to what you stated about EU imposing member states to have a gayday or to promote gayness.
The same goes for what you stated about fresh food being banned from selling in local shops if not packed. This is ridiculous the least. My local shop sell such fruits and products and there is absolutely no problem with this.