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[Pyrpolizer]

Virgin Princes may I introduce you EPSILON.

You too are perfect for each other.

Hade, hade.

[iceman]

I have a great plan

According to referandum results
64.90% TC voted YES and 35.09% voted NO
24.17% GC voted YES and 75.83% voted NO

If we move GC YES voters to north and TC NO voters to south (or vice versa) we end up with almost perfect balance...I am sure they wont have any problems getting on with eachother

[Viewpoint]

I have a great plan

According to referandum results
64.90% TC voted YES and 35.09% voted NO
24.17% GC voted YES and 75.83% voted NO

If we move GC YES voters to north and TC NO voters to south (or vice versa) we end up with almost perfect balance...I am sure they wont have any problems getting on with eachother

Denktas voted NO...

[iceman]

I have a great plan

According to referandum results
64.90% TC voted YES and 35.09% voted NO
24.17% GC voted YES and 75.83% voted NO

If we move GC YES voters to north and TC NO voters to south (or vice versa) we end up with almost perfect balance...I am sure they wont have any problems getting on with eachother

Denktas voted NO...

I have absolutely NO objection to that,do you?...they can have him

[Kifeas]

I have a great plan

According to referandum results
64.90% TC voted YES and 35.09% voted NO
24.17% GC voted YES and 75.83% voted NO

If we move GC YES voters to north and TC NO voters to south (or vice versa) we end up with almost perfect balance...I am sure they wont have any problems getting on with eachother

Denktas voted NO...

VP, how do you know what Denkatsh voted, if you are not sure what you have voted yourself?

[Kikapu]

I have a great plan

According to referandum results
64.90% TC voted YES and 35.09% voted NO
24.17% GC voted YES and 75.83% voted NO

If we move GC YES voters to north and TC NO voters to south (or vice versa) we end up with almost perfect balance...I am sure they wont have any problems getting on with eachother

Denktas voted NO...

I have absolutely NO objection to that,do you?...they can have him

Denktash would have made the 24.17% GC's move to the North, so that he can keep his 30,000 Donüms of Stolen Greek Cypriot Land, also known as "HARAM LAND", along with all the other Partitionist.

[Kikapu]

Thank you for going through the trouble of explaining your current position and why you may have been misunderstood or attacked by most TCs in this forum. It is good to communicate at this level...

I agree with most of the things you have pointed to, but again, you are confusing your own personal experiences and views with that of general ones. If I may explain it in more detail, you might appreciate what I am saying a little more:

I spent all of 1970s in UK going through college and Uni education. During that period I never came across any racism against Greeks either from people living there or in the media. On the contrary, the UK educational system was very pro-Greek, because Greek mythology was a big part of their high school teachings. Blacks? Yes - I agree on that but the claim
abaout racism against Greeks I totally disagree on. It could well have been your own feelings, because none of my friends and myself had any racist views against Greeks either. As I repeatedly expressed in my previous posts, GC and TC students worked together perfectly well under various cultural and sports activities - even after the 1974 invasion!

If I talk about having a peaceful Cyprus with all peoples rights and lives returned to be normal once again, both for TC's and GC's, and not give into those who would rather live of the misery of others, despite our past history in Cyprus, at the end of the day, we are all Cypriots and we are all flesh and blood. Does this make me blind to certain realities that are still there, which may cause further dangers to the TC community, and the answer is NO

I am afraid you are wrong there - currently the answer is YES, because you are avoiding certain realities. Perhaps you should read some of the fanatic GC posts in this forum to expand your views. I would have agreed with you whole-heartedly on the above, if it weren't for the fact that not many GCs feel the same was as you stated in your paragraph above - again, examples are plenty in this forum.

Just to give you couple of examples of many: Around four weeks ago, in a football game between two GC sides, a Greek paper showed pictures of GC youth holding out a banner in the terraces saying "EOKA hit them one more time!", as well picture of other youths surrounding the banner, posing with a Nazi salutes!

Few weeks ago, a young TC boy and a girl attending the English school in the Greek part of Nicosia, got beat very badly by GC thugs for being TCs. These kids were sent there by TC families who believed in a united Cyprus like you do. Guess how they are feeling now?

Let me ask you a question you can answer without alluding to anything else. How often do you follow local news in Cyprus and how often do you hear of such goings on? If not very often, then I hope you realise how ill informed and wrong you can be in your evaluations. That is why you may really be "blind to certain realities that are still there, which may cause further dangers to the TC community" - as you put it in your post.

You tell me BigOz, would you have entered the "TRNC" if you were going on a holiday someplace, in which my main purpose was to sort out my mothers land in the RoC, and I was also travelling with my girlfriend.

I still say you were ill informed on this subject. You may need to have some kind of exemption form from the "Asal sube", each time you leave the country because they do not know if you have come to settle or just for a brief holiday. Most TCs do stay for months before returning to their country of residence. I shall enquire and inform you on what the military requirements are. Perhaps one of the other TCs who may know more can throw light to this subject. But if I am not mistaken, similar rules are in power for military service for the GCs in the Greek side! A visit to TRNC may help you view things from both perspectives.

By the way, I did not follow your posts, so I hope you do not mind me asking you: Did you end up selling your land to a GC in the end or did you just claimed your deeds for it?

As for my family property in Paphos, Evdim, Kukla, Paramal and Alektora (houses, business premises, hundreds of donums of wineyards, bananas) I had given up long time ago for having the security of sleeping without fear of my children getting killed. What I am finding hard to accept is not knowing what has happened to my sister's grave in the TC cemetery that has been turned into a car Park!

BigOz,

I'll get back to you regarding your post to me, later. I hate to tell you this, but I get the feeling you are playing the "Good Cop" here.

[Kikapu]

Woops you just made it you avatar Kikapu!

That was just a draft example though, we could superimpose your name better.

Anyway, have fun my friend. Long live Ki-ka-pu-the sail-or-man. Tooo, toooooo

NB. You owe me nothing.

I never look at a gift in the mouth!!!

However, if you think you can do a much better job than what you have already done, then lets see it, and see what it looks like.

Thanks Pyro.

[gizzy]

Gizzy wrote

You are absolutely right on this "Partitionist who have gained wealth from buying and selling GC's land, are the ones who are creating the "bogeyman" scare tactics, to avoid going to prison for their illegal activities now.

Could you just expand on this point a little, what do you mean “illegal activities” , illegal activities in who’s opinion, GC or TC?

Actually if you look more carefully you will realize that sentence was actaully a quote from Kikapus post. Again if you have read it more carefully, you should have realized that it is the "land issues" which wre refered to as illegal activities... What is meant by the "illegal activity" is when you sell a land, which was not yours, in a country which was not formed legally and not recognized internationally...

[Viewpoint]

I have a great plan

According to referandum results
64.90% TC voted YES and 35.09% voted NO
24.17% GC voted YES and 75.83% voted NO

If we move GC YES voters to north and TC NO voters to south (or vice versa) we end up with almost perfect balance...I am sure they wont have any problems getting on with eachother

Denktas voted NO...

VP, how do you know what Denkatsh voted, if you are not sure what you have voted yourself?

I can never know 100% where he placed that stamp but he campaigned hard for the NOs and thanked the GCs for doing the same. As for me I voted YES which I now regret seeing that the mentality of GCs have not changed 1 iota since the 1960s. Placing a saddle on a donkey doesnt make it a race horse its still a donkey.